Brady's Contract

manxman2601 said:

I don't know that a potential haul would be but you'd have yo think there would be suitors. Pretty much every QB needy team wanted in on Manning. I don't think we'd get multiple no 1s though. That seems excessive for 2-3 years of a franchise QB.

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I agree, although I could potentially see multiple 1s if it was a team built to win now and has a 2-3 year window before a re-build.

One of the reasons the franchise tag is problematic for other teams is not just the draft picks, but also the huge contract you have to give out to the player.

By trading for Brady, you get a potential top QB for 3 years, $24M, leaving you money to add pieces in free agency. In a league where Romo and Cutler get $18M/season, you could easily talk yourself into spending that $10M saved on a few free agents which would give you more impact than the draft picks you'd be sacrificing. If you believe Brady is still an elite QB, those picks are going to be much later in the rounds anyways so they're really early 2nds.

The obvious fit is Houston, especially considering the same system for Brady. Andre Johnson isn't going to be around forever, Arian Foster may not stay healthy for long, and they've got a great defense. The Bills would be a similar team, although no way BB trades them in the...wait, he already did that with Bledsoe. The Rams would be another potential contender with no real QB, although Austin Davis has shown enough potential that they should see if he's the second coming of Kurt Warner.

I don't think the team should trade Brady, and I don't think any of those teams should trade for him either. But I could envision a scenario where a team that feels close decides to take that gamble, especially knowing they'll have money left over to add more talent.

If you want to rob somebody blind in a trade, Oakland is the team. Although Woody Johnson might give up a half dozen first round picks for Tom Brady!

BTW, I think the two most likely scenarios for a Brady end game:

1) Brady gets hurt, misses time, and the Pats move on to the younger guy. I think we've all seen that movie...

2) With last week's media storm, Brady got his first real taste of what playing into his 40s with declining performance is going to really be like. He may be rethinking that plan. Wouldn't surprise me if he decides to ride off into the sunset while he is still at or close to the top of his game, i.e. sooner rather than later. I just can't see him kicking around from team to team like Bledsoe or Favre. I think his family will push him to go out on top.

I agree with my friend Manx and Shmessy. I don't think Bill Belichick is very concerned about loyalty and sentimentality. Bill Belichick will do whatever he thinks is best for the team regardless of how the fans/media may feel about his decision. With that being said I don't think Bill Belichick is quite yet ready to move on from Tom Brady because he is still doing very well as a QB for the team. Nevertheless, many fans want their favorite football players on the team to play into their 40s/50s, but Bill Belichick looks at things from his own microscope.

Brady6 said:

One overlooked point is that Tom and Gisele are worth about $500M combined, Brady does not need the money so he would only accept a trade to a place he had a chance to win a Super Bowl otherwise he would just retire. Belichick holds zero cards when it comes to trading Tom Brady.

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He wouldn't retire because he doesn't want to retire. You're trying too hard. I have no clue how this will end, my head says Brady will be gone sooner rather than later, my heart says the opposite but this argument is weak.

BelichickFan said:

He wouldn't retire because he doesn't want to retire. You're trying too hard. I have no clue how this will end, my head says Brady will be gone sooner rather than later, my heart says the opposite but this argument is weak.

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He plays for the opportunity to win. If he didn't have that opportunity because he was traded to a poor team he would retire.

We going to spend the last few years of Brady's career arguing about his trade? This place is going to go full-Jet if we're winning games and going deeper into the season and we're still talking about week #4 tabloid trash.

You never go full-Jet.

Week #4 lives on in this garbage.

Let it die already.

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Brady6 said:

He plays for the opportunity to win. If he didn't have that opportunity because he was traded to a poor team he would retire.

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I don’t think so. Guys like Brady think they can make any team a winner. He loves to compete, barring a totally catastrophic situation with his new team he'd keep playing.

With the skills that Brady has right now, San Francisco or Cincinnati will trade for him in a heart beat, shipping Kaep or Dalton to us with a first rounder thrown in.

IndianPat said:

With the skills that Brady has right now, San Francisco or Cincinnati will trade for him in a heart beat, shipping Kaep or Dalton to us with a first rounder thrown in.

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This would be the absolute worst trade.
I would be absolutely livid if you have to trade Tom Brady at a minimum it's 2 1sts but I pray to God it never happens.
Brady deserves to stay as long as he wants and can play.

Brady6 said:

Can you tell me one HOF QB that was cut or at Brady’s age after playing his entire career with the same team?

You can exclude these 3 for circumstances:
- Manning missed the entire season before he was cut.
- Montana missed most of the 2 seasons prior to his trade.
- Favre retired and came out of retirement to join a different team.

If you do not think having a franchise QB start and finish his career with the same franchise is significant you have an extremely shortsighted view on the NFL. Belichick’s greatest accomplishment is the drafting and development of Tom Brady; do you think he is going to tarnish that?

Even if Belichick did want to move on from Brady, do you think that would help the team? I think if Belichick showed such little loyalty to Brady he would have a difficult time signing an UFA who was a fringe roster player. The NFL is a business, people spit that all the time, well business who show no loyalty and appreciation for their greatest employees fail because nobody wants to work for them.

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Johnny Unitas.
Joe Namath.
Dan Fouts?

There may be others too

Brady6 said:

Can you tell me one HOF QB that was cut or at Brady’s age after playing his entire career with the same team?

You can exclude these 3 for circumstances:
- Manning missed the entire season before he was cut.
- Montana missed most of the 2 seasons prior to his trade.
- Favre retired and came out of retirement to join a different team.

If you do not think having a franchise QB start and finish his career with the same franchise is significant you have an extremely shortsighted view on the NFL. Belichick’s greatest accomplishment is the drafting and development of Tom Brady; do you think he is going to tarnish that?

Even if Belichick did want to move on from Brady, do you think that would help the team? I think if Belichick showed such little loyalty to Brady he would have a difficult time signing an UFA who was a fringe roster player. The NFL is a business, people spit that all the time, well business who show no loyalty and appreciation for their greatest employees fail because nobody wants to work for them.

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Brady6 said:

Can you tell me one HOF QB that was cut or at Brady’s age after playing his entire career with the same team?

You can exclude these 3 for circumstances:
- Manning missed the entire season before he was cut.
- Montana missed most of the 2 seasons prior to his trade.
- Favre retired and came out of retirement to join a different team.

If you do not think having a franchise QB start and finish his career with the same franchise is significant you have an extremely shortsighted view on the NFL. Belichick’s greatest accomplishment is the drafting and development of Tom Brady; do you think he is going to tarnish that?

Even if Belichick did want to move on from Brady, do you think that would help the team? I think if Belichick showed such little loyalty to Brady he would have a difficult time signing an UFA who was a fringe roster player. The NFL is a business, people spit that all the time, well business who show no loyalty and appreciation for their greatest employees fail because nobody wants to work for them.

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Well there are about 20 HOF QBs and you've limited me from talking about an additional two so good job on limiting my options. And yet, even with such a small sample size I present:

*The Houston Oilers and the Minnesota Vikings reached an agreement in principle to send Warren Moon to the Vikings and solve a major problem for each team.

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So yes, it happens. Not that it's relevant. What happened to Kosar, Bledsoe, Milloy, Seymour, Welker et al seems entirely more relevant as they actually involve BB and his approach to veterans that no longer provide on-field value. In fact, I'll turn the tables on you and ask you this. Is there one person that you can think of that BB held on to as a player purely for sentimental reasons? (Faulk and Bruschi are probably the closest).

As for your final point about loyalty, I'm sorry, but that demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of what motivates people. Did Brady refuse to play for the Patriots because they traded Bledsoe? Did Luck hold out and demand a trade because the Colts released Peyton Manning? I would be surprised if you could name one incident where one player refused to sign for a team because of a perceived lack of loyalty by that team in the way they treated a completely different player.

If you do not think having a franchise QB start and finish his career with the same franchise is significant you have an extremely shortsighted view on the NFL. Belichick’s greatest accomplishment is the drafting and development of Tom Brady; do you think he is going to tarnish that?

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I'd say that I have a mature and realistic view. Belichick's greatest achievements are winning three SB's, longevity and putting out a winning product year on year. Drafting a 6th round QB is way way down on the list. Why? Because if BB knew what Brady would come, letting 31 other teams have repeated shots at that particular cherry would have been negligent. There is no way that BB knew what Brady would become and so it can hardly be called an achievement. The development is another matter. Thank goodness we had Josh McDaniels as a QB coach in those early years

Brady6 said:

No, it is not, if that were the case, they would have granted Wilfork’s release earlier in the offseason when he demanded it. Wilfork is not worth his cap number, he was kept because his presence on this team is an integral part of the success of the team beyond what he does on the field.

So the 2015 plan is this - here you go Garopollo have a team with no offensive line, an often injured tight end, 1 slot WR, and James White as your RB. Sounds like a winner to me…

This team would be a 6-10 team at best without Brady, so before we even consider moving on from Brady we better do a lot of work to improve it.

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#1 - Who here is saying that Garopollo should replace Brady in 2015???

#2 You DO realize that the Pats restructured Wilfork's contract in the offseason?

#3 Any player that cannot get the job done will be replaced, no matter 'how the crowd chants'.

It is what it is, no matter how much you disagree with that as you did in your first words.

manxman2601 said:

So yes, it happens. Not that it's relevant. What happened to Kosar, Bledsoe, Milloy, Seymour, Welker et al seems entirely more relevant as they actually involve BB and his approach to veterans that no longer provide on-field value. In fact, I'll turn the tables on you and ask you this. Is there one person that you can think of that BB held on to as a player purely for sentimental reasons? (Faulk and Bruschi are probably the closest).

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Kosar, Bledsoe, and Milloy were not Belichick players he inherited them. Welker was acquired in a trade and he chose to leave New England, Seymour only cared about money and we did not feel we could retain him in UFA, and Mankins refused to restructure this offseason and he had held out in the past even calling the Patriots org liars.

As for your final point about loyalty, I'm sorry, but that demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of what motivates people. Did Brady refuse to play for the Patriots because they traded Bledsoe? Did Luck hold out and demand a trade because the Colts released Peyton Manning? I would be surprised if you could name one incident where one player refused to sign for a team because of a perceived lack of loyalty by that team in the way they treated a completely different player.

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First, any reputable study on workplaces will show that loyalty, appreciation, and trust are significant factors in employees being successful and wanting to work there. Football players are not any different just because they play a sport for a living.

Second, there were circumstances that it made sense to move on from Manning, if similar circumstances came about for Brady that would change things. I am speaking in terms of them simply choosing that although Brady is still effective they want to move a different direction. That would not reflect well on Belichick. He would have to have a legitimate reason to move on from Brady above Garopollo being cheaper or him being able to get a draft pick back.

I do not think that they announce they do not want to play for a coach for that reason, I think they just choose to play elsewhere. Good players have options; we saw that with Welker, Tommy Kelly is another example of how the player trusting the team is significant. Brandon Spikes referring to his time here as being a slave is also an example of player moral. Sure, we can still sign players, I just doubt they will be premium players; those players will go to a place where they feel the coach has their best interest at heart.

I say that I have a mature and realistic view. Belichick's greatest achievements are winning three SB's, longevity and putting out a winning product year on year. Drafting a 6th round QB is way way down on the list. Why? Because if BB knew what Brady would come, letting 31 other teams have repeated shots at that particular cherry would have been negligent. There is no way that BB knew what Brady would become and so it can hardly be called an achievement. The development is another matter. Thank goodness we had Josh McDaniels as a QB coach in those early years

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Everything you post is mature and realistic, I will never dispute that, you are one of the finest posters on this board. I just look at this situation differently, I think that there is significance in having a HOF QB start and finish their career with the same team that is good for a team and coaches legacy.

shmessy said:

#1 - Who here is saying that Garopollo should replace Brady in 2015???

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Many people, and that is all the rage in the media. His contract impacts the cap in future seasons if cut.

#2 You DO realize that the Pats restructured Wilfork's contract in the offseason?

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They extended him.

shmessy said: ↑
#1 - Who here is saying that Garopollo should replace Brady in 2015???

Brady6 said:

Many people, and that is all the rage in the media.

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Game over.