Brady on WEEI after loss at KC

hwc said:

Every QB is in the middle of a mosh pit on every pass play. It's the NFL. That's why teams try so hard to do things to slow down the rush: play action, screens, draws, etc.

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Well then, apparently everyone in the entire universe knows and sees that our offensive line has played UNIQUELY bad with the exception of you who somehow reached the absurd conclusion that this is the league normal.

Go Red Sox

PATS16N0 said:

I wouldn't say he's `playing scared`, though I agree with the first half of your statement because there is nothing to disagree with. That's exactly what is happening. However, I don't see him `playing scared` - I see him trying to overcome his crap teammates all by himself.

A quarterback more concerned with their image would probably hold the ball and scan the field and then just cover up when nothing was available for the sack (Rodgers). Brady is trying to force the play with what small window he has because he knows 2 seconds after the snap it's going to be over.

Once again he's been put in a situation where he not only has to overcome opposing defenses, but the deficiencies of his own football team, and this season it's really showing, and really reflecting poorly on him.

Brady would rather try to win then play in a way where it's obvious to even complete idiots that it's not his fault.

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So what you are saying is that a QB more concerned about their image would do what a QB is supposed to do, Go through his progressions? You seriously can't fault a QB for going through his progressions, instead of throwing to the tightly or double covered guy where it might very well be a pick.

Marinlik said:

So what you are saying is that a QB more concerned about their image would do what a QB is supposed to do, Go through his progressions? You seriously can't fault a QB for going through his progressions, instead of throwing to the tightly or double covered guy where it might very well be a pick.

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What aren't you understanding? He doesn't trust his offensive line. He's expecting a flush strip sack from behind at any moment, so he's getting the ball out to the first possibility he sees. This is incredibly obvious.

It's affecting everything, especially his mechanics which have always been considered the absolute best in the league. He's a man under fire and he's playing like it.

PATS16N0 said:

What aren't you understanding? He doesn't trust his offensive line. He's expecting a flush strip sack from behind at any moment, so he's getting the ball out to the first possibility he sees. This is incredibly obvious.

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I agree. It is obvious that he is playing poorly and that the poor play mostly results from rushing his reads and throws due to the fear of getting hit. We are talking milliseconds of reaction time, but milliseconds of reaction time is what separates a HOF quarterback from... er.... EJ Manuel.

The combination of the wear and tear on a 37 year old QB making him just a little more skittish in the pocket and unreliable o-line play and the inability to play from ahead and cover for the o-line is resulting in one of the worst offenses in the NFL through the first quarter of the season.

Tom Brady's footwork was previously the envy of all NFL quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers has said publicly that he used to study Brady footage to try to replicate it. He was always adjusting his footing and body while scanning the field so that the moment he found his man he could fire the ball.

He's not doing that this season, and it isn't because he's "in decline" or because he's forgotten how.

It's because the moment the ball touches his hands, he knows the race is on and he has 2 seconds to do something with it.

It's straight up annoying that Tom has to be defended in this situation.

I really wish the Red Sox didn't suck this year, so these people would have something else to do.

PATS16N0 said:

Tom Brady's footwork was previously the envy of all NFL quarterbacks. Aaron Rodgers has said publicly that he used to study Brady footage to try to replicate it. He was always adjusting his footing and body while scanning the field so that the moment he found his man he could fire the ball.

He's not doing that this season, and it isn't because he's "in decline" or because he's forgotten how.

It's because the moment the ball touched his hands, he knows the race is on and he has 2 seconds to do something with it.

It's straight up annoying that Tom has to be defended in this situation.

I really wish the Red Sox didn't suck this year, so you people would have something else to do.

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You really are not defending him, you are explaining that Brady is afraid of the rush and it is affecting his decision making and accuracy.

Nunchucks said:

You really are not defending him, you are explaining that Brady is afraid of the rush and it is affecting his decision making and accuracy.

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It's not an irrational fear. Brady's play is suffering because he's trying to overcome the crappiness all around him. If he just held the ball and scanned the field and went through his progressions he would have 10 fumbles already this year, and probably be injured by now.

PATS16N0 said:

It's not an irrational fear. Brady's play is suffering because he's trying to overcome the crappiness all around him. If he just held the ball and scanned the field and went through his progressions he would have 10 fumbles already this year, and probably be injured by now.

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I agree 100%, he'd be on IR by now. Anyone who is blaming Tom for his performance is clueless. He's still be the best quarterback in the league, the fact that he's behind the worst offensive line in football is the problem. Put anyone of the great passers behind that line and they'll look the same. It's impossible to get into a rhythm when you feel the defensive ends breathing down your neck every drop back.

BelichicksHoodie said:

I agree 100%, he'd be on IR by now. Anyone who is blaming Tom for his performance is clueless. He's still be the best quarterback in the league, the fact that he's behind the worst offensive line in football is the problem. Put anyone of the great passers behind that line and they'll look the same. It's impossible to get into a rhythm when you feel the defensive ends breathing down your neck every drop back.

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I don't think anyone who has stated that Brady has declined, and that, God Forbid, he isn't an elite QB anymore, has been confrontational or insulting, like this post or the non-sensical Red Sox post above. We've just presented the data showing that he's one of the lowest rated QBs in the league when not pressured and also when throwing over 15 yards. These are facts. This stuff happens when you are his age, it just does. We all want him to succeed, and it sucks that he's not. We have a vested interest in him playing well. But to simply ignore the facts (and the eye test) and throw up your hands and blame his teammates while absolving him of blame isn't realistic.

Factor in other players from other teams whispering about Brady seeing Ghosts for years (and this was back when he had "weapons" and an above average to excellent OL), and you start to see an aged QB who has, naturally and without fault, regressed to his current level. Nothing malicious about that.

Rory Gallagher said:

I don't think anyone who has stated that Brady has declined, and that, God Forbid, he isn't an elite QB anymore, has been confrontational or insulting, like this post or the non-sensical Red Sox post above. We've just presented the data showing that he's one of the lowest rated QBs in the league when not pressured and also when throwing over 15 yards. These are facts. This stuff happens when you are his age, it just does. We all want him to succeed, and it sucks that he's not. We have a vested interest in him playing well. But to simply ignore the facts (and the eye test) and throw up your hands and blame his teammates while absolving him of blame isn't realistic.

Factor in other players from other teams whispering about Brady seeing Ghosts for years (and this was back when he had "weapons" and an above average to excellent OL), and you start to see an aged QB who has, naturally and without fault, regressed to his current level. Nothing malicious about that.

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People with 10 to 15 posts are really coming out of the wood work lately to tell us how bad Brady is.

PATS16N0 said:

People with 10 to 15 posts are really coming out of the wood work lately to tell us how bad Brady is.

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Sorry, I'm a grown man with a life. Honestly, I don't post on message boards very often unless i feel strongly about something, like the denial surrounding the decline of a 37 year old QB's skills.

Archeryaddict12 said:

It does some of the time.

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Its does a good amount. Lots of boos 5 min into games ect...just stupid IMO

Rory Gallagher said:

Sorry, I'm a grown man with a life. Honestly, I don't post on message boards very often unless i feel strongly about something, like the denial surrounding the decline of a 37 year old QB's skills.

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Please. Go away. Go sit in Fenway in all of your misery and whine over an 8 dollar hot dog about curses, cheer on steroids and shout "Bum" into the outfield. (Or is it Metlife or Mile high?)

Nothing you said is relevant. The entire football world is acknowledging that no QB would perform under these conditions. The only people claiming otherwise have an agenda.

If you're a grown man with a life, go return to it. Don't expect to crawl out of a troll hole with 15 posts, armed with Jet Insider talking points, and expect to be taken for a legitimate Patriot fan who has legitimate concerns. The internet wasn't created yesterday, nor was that when we were born.

Rory Gallagher said:

Factor in other players from other teams whispering about Brady seeing Ghosts for years (and this was back when he had "weapons" and an above average to excellent OL), and you start to see an aged QB who has, naturally and without fault, regressed to his current level.

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We've been seeing glimpses of "old Brady" for several years now. First, it was the inability to move the offense against good competition and strong pass rushes in the playoffs. Then, last year, a noticeable overall decline.

Who's kidding who? The Pats offense stunk for most of last year, masked a bit by the occasional miracle comeback after falling behind in games. It was not pretty. Even on their best days, the offense was sputtering and inconsistent. But, by the end of the year, the passing game had disintegrated completely, with Blount running and running and running being the only effective offense the Pats could turn to in the playoff run. When Denver took away the run, the Pats had nothing.

What we are seeing this year is just a continuation/acceleration of exactly the same problems, perhaps compounded by the failure of the veteran leadership on the offense to get the most out of the young players.

Sacks don't tell the whole story, if Brady held the ball as long as some of those QB's listed he'd have been sacked 16+ times already this season. Big Ben would have 20+ sacks behind this line probably on his way to an NFL sack record.

Brady's not playing well, noted but to compare QBR's and sack totals to TB's situation is misleading...

Rory Gallagher said:

Sorry, I'm a grown man with a life. Honestly, I don't post on message boards very often unless i feel strongly about something, like the denial surrounding the decline of a 37 year old QB's skills.

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So, are you an expert on aging? Just wondering why someone would have zero posts in a year and a half, then spam the board with "Brady's washed up" posts saying the same thing 16 times.

I think Brady's older between the ears than physically, but in many cases, it's the same thing.....unless the years of the right shoulder on the injury report is finally coming home to roost

RayClay said:

So, are you an expert on aging? Just wondering why someone would have zero posts in a year and a half, then spam the board with "Brady's washed up" posts saying the same thing 16 times.

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Because he's excited about the prospect of Brady's demise to the point of priapism.

Rory Gallagher said:

Unless I'm misreading this... you're talking about two years difference (2012 to 2014). That's exactly my argument. He's fallen off a cliff, as he's SUPPOSED to have done. This is what happens to QBs at his age. Over, and over and over again. Again, Jim Rice in 87. In 86 he could still hit. In 87 he couldn't. It happens. ALL THE TIME.

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No, I'm talking 6 months difference. 2012-2013 was the stellar year. They were playing great in December. He comes back the very next season, and the offense is a dud. Do you remember last September 2013? The offense was a dud last year.

Look, I do think Brady and the O can do what they did to New Orleans last year, and that's come back from a big deficit.

The problem is that they are also ripe to do what they did against Denver in the playoffs, which is nothing.

upstater1 said:

No, I'm talking 6 months difference. 2012-2013 was the stellar year. They were playing great in December. He comes back the very next season, and the offense is a dud. Do you remember last September 2013? The offense was a dud last year.

Look, I do think Brady and the O can do what they did to New Orleans last year, and that's come back from a big deficit.

The problem is that they are also ripe to do what they did against Denver in the playoffs, which is nothing.

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As long as they get in the playoffs, and they are tied for the lead now, it's who is playing best then. They peaked a touch early last year and that was due to the phenomenal couple of games of Blount, who is back to the same stiff he was before.

It's a game of emotion. If you're asking me who will tough it out and be firing on all cylinders come playoff time, I'll be happy to put my money on Brady.