Brady on WEEI after loss at KC

Rory Gallagher said:

No, Brady is not a good pocket passer anymore:+

John Parolin - ESPN : Brady has a 31.8 completion percentage on throws deeper than 10 yards downfield, worst in the league and one of three quarterbacks below 40 percent.

Sam Monson PFF: It isn't all about protection, though -- Brady's passer rating on 95 unpressured dropbacks this season is just 83.0, and neither of his interceptions came under duress.

I will try to source another study I just read that showed that there is little difference between unpressured QB ratings between QBs who are consistently under duress and those that aren't.

I love Brady guys. I just know what I'm seeing. I've seen it before in Bird, Rice, and every other one of my sports heroes growing up. They just suddenly can't do it anymore, and looking back on it, it's as if it happened over night. Sad, yes, but true.

On a personal note: at 34 I could still dunk. At 35 I couldn't. I was still in decent shape, nothing much changed physically, I just couldn't do it anymore. Now, I'm only a few years older than Brady, and I can barely get rim. Still in shape. What happened? I got old.

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Some people will only accept Brady's physical degradation as a possibility once all other possibilities are completely exhausted

Brady is rushing his throws because he doesn't trust his offensive line. Simple as that, he is playing scared.

IllegalContact said:

Some people will only accept Brady's physical degradation as a possibility once all other possibilities are completely exhausted

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Agreed. And i was one of them until recently. It's natural to be in denial that the Brady era is over, and his days of being an elite QB are in the past. I kept trying to ignore what my eyes were telling me, going back to last year. And that's not even going into the whole "when's the last time Tom came up big in a big game" question...

I'm not sure what people expect out of the guy.. he wasn't going to be playing well into his 40's, riding off into the sunset after a SB win and another 4,000 yard season with 30+ TDs. It's not even fair to expect that from him. He's only human, after all.

Nunchucks said:

Brady is rushing his throws because he doesn't trust his offensive line. Simple as that, he is playing scared.

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Again,... lesser QBs have put up better numbers in worse situations. What you're saying speaks to the mental toughness of a guy who sees the end but hasn't admitted it yet.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/curran-brady-past-his-prime

"It would make some sense if we just looked at the Patriots in a vacuum," said Curran. "Explain this to me though, going from week nine on last year, Tom Brady threw for 432, 296, 344, 371, 418 and 364 yards… How did Tom Brady go, in January, from quite possibly the second had NFL offensive MVP to the worst quarterback in football?"

Through the first four games this season, Brady has thrown for 791 yards and four touchdowns with a 59.1% completion rating.

"The numbers through the first four games are disturbing, absolutely dreadful," said Mike Giardi. "Why is it not out of the realm of possibility that a guy who is 37-years-old, and this is his 15th year in the NFL, could be slipping?"

Curran isn't willing to put the blame solely on Brady as the offense continues to struggle.

"I don't disagree that he is not the player that I thought he was coming into the season," said Curran. "I think there are elements to Tom Brady's game that are being highlighted that make him look worse than he really is. That's that interior pressure in the middle of the offensive line… The Patriots have let him down in terms of having offensive line prepared to protect him at his most immobile."

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Rory Gallagher said:

Again,... lesser QBs have put up better numbers in worse situations. What you're saying speaks to the mental toughness of a guy who sees the end but hasn't admitted it yet.

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What lesser and what worse situations other than 5 Olineman all being terrible ?

Nunchucks said:

Brady is rushing his throws because he doesn't trust his offensive line. Simple as that, he is playing scared.

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Bingo. We have bingo. To succeed as a pocket passer, you've got to have ice water in your veins to stand in there and take the inevitable hits. At age 37, Brady's ice water is room temp.

On top of that, his release looks just a split second slower than it was in his prime. So, even without pressure in the pocket, he's got to throw the ball a split second sooner. Ask yourself: After watching Brady, why does it look like Garoppolo has an exceptionally quick release? I don't think Garoppolo's release is faster than Brady's in his prime.

For Brady to be successful at this stage of his career, he will have to change his game. Accept that he can't do all the things he once could and start playing within himself. Use his experience. And, probably stop yelling at his teammates 24/7 for their inability to achieve perfection. At some point, they've gotta tune him out.

SVN said:

What lesser and what worse situations other than 5 Olineman all being terrible ?

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Chad Henne has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att. He's been benched.

Ryan Tannehill has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att. He's been threatened with benching.

Colin Kaepernick has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage. He is widely viewed as struggling.

Matt Stafford has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Alex Smith has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Ben Roethlisberger has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Aaron Rodgers has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Cam Newton has been sacked the same number of times as Tom Brady (in one less game) and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Here's the sortable list of NFL QB stats. Play with it. Sort it any way you want. Try to find something where Brady is not below average or worse.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...gory=PASSING&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING

I agree that Brady is on the decline and I feel that the person in more denial than anyone is McDaniels. Some of the plays he draws up may very well work with the young gunslinger, Jimmy Garapollo, but as a professional he should get something out of this offense. If we have to, treat Brady as you would a rookie and keep the ball out of his hands as much as possible and give him basic things until he fixes a few issues.

I still have faith in the team but this year seems like it might be a dogfight to get into the playoffs. This offense is like the equivalent of the 2011 defense. As horrible as that defense was, we made it to the superbowl and were competitive. I am praying for something similar this year but with a better ending.

I don't like to make any comparisons to the Jets(who does?), but after that embarrassing 45-3 defeat they went on to put on some great games afterward and beat us and Manning in consecutive weeks before choking. We may have been embarrassed enough to see some immediate improvement.

hwc said:

Chad Henne has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att. He's been benched.

Ryan Tannehill has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att. He's been threatened with benching.

Colin Kaepernick has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage. He is widely viewed as struggling.

Matt Stafford has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Alex Smith has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Ben Roethlisberger has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Aaron Rodgers has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Cam Newton has been sacked the same number of times as Tom Brady (in one less game) and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Here's the sortable list of NFL QB stats. Play with it. Sort it any way you want. Try to find something where Brady is not below average or worse.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...gory=PASSING&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING

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To be fair, I think he was asking for ONE example...

Archeryaddict12 said:

It does some of the time.

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I've been to a hundred Pats games and thought it was loud, then I went to a Florida Gators football game (Boooooooo) and it is no comparison. I didn't really think an open air stadium could get that loud.

Someone needs to man up and put the question to Giselle, "Is Tommy Boy in decline?"

203Pat said:

I've been to a hundred Pats games and thought it was loud, then I went to a Florida Gators football game (Boooooooo) and it is no comparison. I didn't really think an open air stadium could get that loud.

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203Pat said:

I've been to a hundred Pats games and thought it was loud, then I went to a Florida Gators football game (Boooooooo) and it is no comparison. I didn't really think an open air stadium could get that loud.

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It helps when the student body doesn't have to worry about attending classes all week. They get to sleep from Mon-Fri so they're well-rested for the Saturday games. It's a scientific fact.

hwc said:

Chad Henne has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att. He's been benched.

Ryan Tannehill has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att. He's been threatened with benching.

Colin Kaepernick has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage. He is widely viewed as struggling.

Matt Stafford has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Alex Smith has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Ben Roethlisberger has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Aaron Rodgers has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Cam Newton has been sacked the same number of times as Tom Brady (in one less game) and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Here's the sortable list of NFL QB stats. Play with it. Sort it any way you want. Try to find something where Brady is not below average or worse.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...gory=PASSING&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING

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Almost all of them are mobile QBs .Brady is not. And being sacked is not the only stat. Brady was sacked a lot last yr. Still had more time then he has now. You go with Cam Newton, I will still take our 37 yr old QB with a fixed offensive line.

SVN said:

Almost all of them are mobile QBs .Brady is not. And being sacked is not the only stat. Brady was sacked a lot last yr. Still had more time then he has now. You go with Cam Newton, I will still take our 37 yr old QB with a fixed offensive line.

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Tom Brady was getting sacked more in 2001.....even though he threw less and mor to his RBs

What's with the Jets troll trying to build up the "weapons" in order to bash Brady? Amendola was a plus receiver? LaFell was legit? Wright.....

Amendola was a frequently injured player who's clearly struggling to get open. That may be because of the injuries, but it's not because of Brady.

LaFell has always been a WR3/WR4 who's averaged 44 receptions a season. This year, LaFell is a WR3/WR4 who's on pace for 40 receptions.

Wright was such a monster that an offense-needy team was happy to ship him off, and he was in danger of being cut if he wasn't traded.

hwc said:

Chad Henne has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att. He's been benched.

Ryan Tannehill has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att. He's been threatened with benching.

Colin Kaepernick has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage. He is widely viewed as struggling.

Matt Stafford has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Alex Smith has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Ben Roethlisberger has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Aaron Rodgers has been sacked more than Tom Brady and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Cam Newton has been sacked the same number of times as Tom Brady (in one less game) and has a better QB rating and yds/att and completion percentage.

Here's the sortable list of NFL QB stats. Play with it. Sort it any way you want. Try to find something where Brady is not below average or worse.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...gory=PASSING&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING

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we're doomed.

Nunchucks said:

Brady is rushing his throws because he doesn't trust his offensive line. Simple as that, he is playing scared.

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I wouldn't say he's `playing scared`, though I agree with the first half of your statement because there is nothing to disagree with. That's exactly what is happening. However, I don't see him `playing scared` - I see him trying to overcome his crap teammates all by himself.

A quarterback more concerned with their image would probably hold the ball and scan the field and then just cover up when nothing was available for the sack (Rodgers). Brady is trying to force the play with what small window he has because he knows 2 seconds after the snap it's going to be over.

Once again he's been put in a situation where he not only has to overcome opposing defenses, but the deficiencies of his own football team, and this season it's really showing, and really reflecting poorly on him.

Brady would rather try to win then play in a way where it's obvious to even complete idiots that it's not his fault.

The sack numbers don't matter. That's such a ridiculously one dimensional way to look at this.
It's the pressure. Every play Brady is in the middle of a mosh pit. That isn't what is happening with any of the quarterbacks you've mentioned.

Every QB is in the middle of a mosh pit on every pass play. It's the NFL. That's why teams try so hard to do things to slow down the rush: play action, screens, draws, etc.