Brady on WEEI after loss at KC

SVN · Oct 1, 2014

It Is What It Is >> Tom Brady on D&C: 'I just do what I'm told. I'm not overanalyzing anything' regarding removal from Monday's game | 10/01/14

He doesn't say much but it does make me feel better. Hopefully no one is questioning his desire. The best answer is to why the Patriots don't talk to the media.

On the Patriots organization and the culture of the team not sharing anything with the media: ‘I don’t understand, how does it help our team when you express whatever concerns you have to people who can’t do anything about it. … I don’t think that our helps our team. I don’t think our goal is to help anyone outside of our team, certainly not help our opponents. I don’t think we’re trying to talk to you about all the things that we’re working on because obviously the opposing teams will know that, too. Whatever issues we have, it’s up to the other team to figure those things out. Whatever things that we feel are our strengths, it’s up to the other teams to figure it out. They don’t know what we’re trying to do, they don’t know what we’re trying to accomplish. And we certainly don’t want to tell anybody what we’re trying to do or what we’re trying to accomplish. So I don’t think it makes a lot of sense in a competitive situation where knowledge is power and information is really important to divulge everything that’s going on in your organization or how you feel about a player or how do you feel about a scheme or how you feel about a coach or how you feel about a decision. I think you see from a lot of organizations that the division from within is the worst thing that can happen. And if I’ve got an issue with what we’re doing, then I talk to someone who can probably do something about it. Not my parents, not my wife, not my agent. I talk to the person — that’s a player or a coach — that I have an issue with. I think that’s how we deal with it. That may frustrate other people, but I think we’ve done a pretty good job over the years to, like I said, ignore this noise, ignore the things that can help us. And that’s putting your energy toward the things that you feel that you need to do to help you win.”

Gronkowski123 · Oct 1, 2014

minihane seems like a conceited little bastard. funny how they **** on tom every day then kiss his ass when they interview him..except callahan obviously..he worships tom!

PatriotSeven · Oct 1, 2014

Beautiful answer.

dales804 · Oct 1, 2014

So Tom says he doesn't complain to his wife about BB's yelling or anything else to do with the Patriots. Should I believe Tom or that other thread? Did he just throw Gisele under the bus? He might be scrubbing more toilets this week than ever before.

Kontradiction · Oct 1, 2014

He also admitted that the crowd sometimes sucks too...

"We can’t focus on how loud we cheer or the chants that we have," Brady told Dennis & Callahan. "Our stadium has been very loud at times. We’ve got sometimes a great crowd. Sometimes we don’t have a great crowd. Sometimes it’s not as loud as it may be for other teams. But the better we play, the louder it will be. So we’re going to focus on trying to play better."

Archeryaddict12 · Oct 1, 2014

KontradictioN said:
He also admitted that the crowd sometimes sucks too...

It does some of the time.

SVN · Oct 2, 2014

But the response prompts articles like this:

Buckley: By not answering critics, Tom Brady gives them credence | Boston Herald

WTF is this ?

RelocatedPatFan · Oct 2, 2014

SVN said:
But this prompts articles like this

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/..._not_answering_critics_qb_gives_them_credence

WTF is this ?

It's the Herald, so I can't knowingly click the link. My guess, it's a trash article that will continue the hope that if (XXXXX) is repeated often enough, the majority of people will believe it to be true.

Rory Gallagher · Oct 2, 2014

I understand, but at the same time am amazed by, the denial going on in our minds about Brady's demise. It's natural to look elsewhere for reasons that he is, a quarter of the way through the season, a below average QB in this league. But honestly, I'm getting sick of the excuses about line play and lack of weapons.

In trying to find an apples to apples comparison, I thought of Jay Cutler and the 2010 Bears. That line may have been the worst line in history. If you remember, Cutler got sacked 52 times that year, which I believe was a record, had more inferior weapons by far (Johnny Knox was his #1, (900 yards), Earl Bennett was his #2 with @ 550 yards and Olsen was his TE and only had 400 yards receiving. He did have Forte, but he had the worst year of his career that year (1,069 yards). AND Cutler wasn't just getting sacked, he was getting KILLED, if you remember. However, Cutler completed 60% of his passes, for 3,200 yards, 23 TDs and only 16 picks, in 15 games. Guys, Brady isn't even going to approach those numbers. So, to sum up, Brady actually has a better OL (on pace for 36 sacks, about league average - and yes, I know this isn't the be all end all stat for line performance, but again, it's apples to apples...), much better weapons, better system (ok, questionable with McDaniels calling the shots), and yet he won't put up the numbers that Cutler put up in 2010, despite having it much worse than Brady currently has. At the time, Cutler was viewed as maybe #15 or so in the league for QBs, about average. So, it seems apparent that Brady is average to below average at this point in his career, and denial isn't going to change that. He's not the first QB to not have a good OL and bad weapons (although I think this is greatly exaggerated in trying to defend Tom), but he IS one of the first "elite" QBs to just fall off the face of the earth when faced with this adversity. I'll have to find the stats I read on SoSH yesterday about his passing when he IS protected this year... it's among the lowest in the league, by far.

There's no shame in getting old, hey, I'm doing it! 37 is the age when most QBs are out of the league, so it's amazing he held on as long as he did. We've all seen with our eyes that Tom can no longer throw over 20 yards or so with any accuracy. We've all heard the stories of the all-22 analysis where he's "missing" guys down field. I personally think he's not "missing" them (he didn't get dumber), rather he knows he can't get the ball to them, so he's going for the safe, 10 - 15 yard throw, even if it's double (or triple) covered.

Put Brady on Denver, and you'd see better results, but it wouldn't be dramatic. You can have all the weapons in the world, but if you can't get them the ball past 20 yards it doesn't matter. He wouldn't have made those throws last week against Seattle to put that game into OT, he just wouldn't. He can't, at least not consistently. The New Orleans game from last year will go down as his final moment of greatness, and I'm ok with that. What a freakin' run!! I love Tom Brady, appreciate all he's done, but the man is done, and there's nothing unusual about it. It's like watching Jim Rice in 87... he still looked the part, but his ability to hit the ball (throw the ball in Tom's case) just fell off the proverbial cliff. It happens.

Mike the Brit · Oct 2, 2014

Q: So is it true that you were in Belichick's office shouting at him?

A: You may think that but I couldn't possibly comment.

IllegalContact · Oct 2, 2014

Mike the Brit said:
Q: So is it true that you were in Belichick's office shouting at him?

A: You may think that but I couldn't possibly comment.

What would he be yelling about?

upstater1 · Oct 2, 2014

Rory Gallagher said:
I understand, but at the same time am amazed by, the denial going on in our minds about Brady's demise. It's natural to look elsewhere for reasons that he is, a quarter of the way through the season, a below average QB in this league. But honestly, I'm getting sick of the excuses about line play and lack of weapons.

In trying to find an apples to apples comparison, I thought of Jay Cutler and the 2010 Bears. That line may have been the worst line in history. If you remember, Cutler got sacked 52 times that year, which I believe was a record, had more inferior weapons by far (Johnny Knox was his #1, (900 yards), Earl Bennett was his #2 with @ 550 yards and Olsen was his TE and only had 400 yards receiving. He did have Forte, but he had the worst year of his career that year (1,069 yards). AND Cutler wasn't just getting sacked, he was getting KILLED, if you remember. However, Cutler completed 60% of his passes, for 3,200 yards, 23 TDs and only 16 picks, in 15 games. Guys, Brady isn't even going to approach those numbers. So, to sum up, Brady actually has a better OL (on pace for 36 sacks, about league average - and yes, I know this isn't the be all end all stat for line performance, but again, it's apples to apples...), much better weapons, better system (ok, questionable with McDaniels calling the shots), and yet he won't put up the numbers that Cutler put up in 2010, despite having it much worse than Brady currently has. At the time, Cutler was viewed as maybe #15 or so in the league for QBs, about average. So, it seems apparent that Brady is average to below average at this point in his career, and denial isn't going to change that. He's not the first QB to not have a good OL and bad weapons (although I think this is greatly exaggerated in trying to defend Tom), but he IS one of the first "elite" QBs to just fall off the face of the earth when faced with this adversity. I'll have to find the stats I read on SoSH yesterday about his passing when he IS protected this year... it's among the lowest in the league, by far.

There's no shame in getting old, hey, I'm doing it! 37 is the age when most QBs are out of the league, so it's amazing he held on as long as he did. We've all seen with our eyes that Tom can no longer throw over 20 yards or so with any accuracy. We've all heard the stories of the all-22 analysis where he's "missing" guys down field. I personally think he's not "missing" them (he didn't get dumber), rather he knows he can't get the ball to them, so he's going for the safe, 10 - 15 yard throw, even if it's double (or triple) covered.

Put Brady on Denver, and you'd see better results, but it wouldn't be dramatic. You can have all the weapons in the world, but if you can't get them the ball past 20 yards it doesn't matter. He wouldn't have made those throws last week against Seattle to put that game into OT, he just wouldn't. He can't, at least not consistently. The New Orleans game from last year will go down as his final moment of greatness, and I'm ok with that. What a freakin' run!! I love Tom Brady, appreciate all he's done, but the man is done, and there's nothing unusual about it. It's like watching Jim Rice in 87... he still looked the part, but his ability to hit the ball (throw the ball in Tom's case) just fell off the proverbial cliff. It happens.

In 2012-2013, the Patriots scored the 3rd most points in NFL history. Totally hidden by the QBR and rating stats is the fact that although they put up 4700 yards through the air and 2100 yards on the ground, they scored 34 TDs by passing, and 26 by running it in, including 4 TDs by Brady himself. This tells me the offense was cranking even though the QB stats don't show what a great year Brady had. And it was a passing offense, not a running offense. Compare to Aaron Rodgers who got all the accolades that year for throwing 39 TDs. His team only scored 7 rushing TDs.

What is more impressive?

So, how does Brady go from what I would argue is his BEST season EVER in 2012-2013 to a pretty bad offense in a few short months? did he lose his abilities over the summer? Or did it have more to do with losing Gronk, Welker, Hernandez and Lloyd?

Isn't the answer obvious.

No doubt a QB loses skills as he goes from age 35 to 36. It's normal. But how much does he lose ina few short months? Certainly not the drastic changes we've seen.

To go from your best year ever to your worst in months?

In my book, Brady has every excuse in the world here. He is not throwing to Welker, Demaryious Thomas, Julius Thomas, Tamme or Decker/Sanders.

West Philly Patriot · Oct 2, 2014

Rory Gallagher said:
I understand, but at the same time am amazed by, the denial going on in our minds about Brady's demise. It's natural to look elsewhere for reasons that he is, a quarter of the way through the season, a below average QB in this league. But honestly, I'm getting sick of the excuses about line play and lack of weapons.

In trying to find an apples to apples comparison, I thought of Jay Cutler and the 2010 Bears. That line may have been the worst line in history. If you remember, Cutler got sacked 52 times that year, which I believe was a record, had more inferior weapons by far (Johnny Knox was his #1, (900 yards), Earl Bennett was his #2 with @ 550 yards and Olsen was his TE and only had 400 yards receiving. He did have Forte, but he had the worst year of his career that year (1,069 yards). AND Cutler wasn't just getting sacked, he was getting KILLED, if you remember. However, Cutler completed 60% of his passes, for 3,200 yards, 23 TDs and only 16 picks, in 15 games. Guys, Brady isn't even going to approach those numbers. So, to sum up, Brady actually has a better OL (on pace for 36 sacks, about league average - and yes, I know this isn't the be all end all stat for line performance, but again, it's apples to apples...), much better weapons, better system (ok, questionable with McDaniels calling the shots), and yet he won't put up the numbers that Cutler put up in 2010, despite having it much worse than Brady currently has. At the time, Cutler was viewed as maybe #15 or so in the league for QBs, about average. So, it seems apparent that Brady is average to below average at this point in his career, and denial isn't going to change that. He's not the first QB to not have a good OL and bad weapons (although I think this is greatly exaggerated in trying to defend Tom), but he IS one of the first "elite" QBs to just fall off the face of the earth when faced with this adversity. I'll have to find the stats I read on SoSH yesterday about his passing when he IS protected this year... it's among the lowest in the league, by far.

There's no shame in getting old, hey, I'm doing it! 37 is the age when most QBs are out of the league, so it's amazing he held on as long as he did. We've all seen with our eyes that Tom can no longer throw over 20 yards or so with any accuracy. We've all heard the stories of the all-22 analysis where he's "missing" guys down field. I personally think he's not "missing" them (he didn't get dumber), rather he knows he can't get the ball to them, so he's going for the safe, 10 - 15 yard throw, even if it's double (or triple) covered.

Put Brady on Denver, and you'd see better results, but it wouldn't be dramatic. You can have all the weapons in the world, but if you can't get them the ball past 20 yards it doesn't matter. He wouldn't have made those throws last week against Seattle to put that game into OT, he just wouldn't. He can't, at least not consistently. The New Orleans game from last year will go down as his final moment of greatness, and I'm ok with that. What a freakin' run!! I love Tom Brady, appreciate all he's done, but the man is done, and there's nothing unusual about it. It's like watching Jim Rice in 87... he still looked the part, but his ability to hit the ball (throw the ball in Tom's case) just fell off the proverbial cliff. It happens.

Your comparison of a 26-year old mobile Cutler to a 37-year old Tom Brady is laughable. The effects of a **** line will not be equal. Especially considering Cutler had a top 10 running back behind him in Forte and a much better defense - plus a healthy Olson is better than whatever % of Gronk we are getting right now.

Brady had a top 5 offense as recently as the last 2 years. But no, it's not the line crumbling in 2 seconds which prevents a lion share of downfield reads. It's that Brady sees these world beater receivers gashing secondaries downfield and is scared to try.

Also all this deep ball talk. I get it, but has anyone seen Peyton's deep ball? Holy ****. But no one says he's done. The reason is, he is standing behind a great line and has lots of options.

If Peyton didn't he would look just as bad as Tom has recently. It's about context.

SacPete1 · Oct 2, 2014

He certainly seemed to have an edge in that interview unlike when he was sitting on the bench Monday night (but the game was a blowout anyway).
I think that's a positive and I was reminded recently from some friends that knew him when he was a little kid playing baseball. The story goes that some parents were complaining to the league that Tom was too competitive and upsetting other kids with his desire to win.

Rory Gallagher · Oct 2, 2014

West Philly Patriot said:
Your comparison of a 26 year old mobile Cutler to a 37 year old Tom Brady is laughable. The effects of a **** line will not be equal. Especially
Considering he had a top 10 running back behind him in Forte and a much better defense. Healthy Olson is better than whatever % of Gronk we are getting right now.

Brady had a top 5 offense as recently as the last 2 years. But no, it's not the line crumbling in 2 seconds which prevents a lion share of downfield reads. It's that Brady sees these world beater receivers gashing secondaries downfield and is scared to try.

Also all this deep ball talk. I get it, but has anyone seen Peyton's deep ball? Holy ****. But no one says he's done. The reason is, he is standing behind a great line and has lots of options.

If he didn't he would look just as bad as Tom has recently. It's about context.

I agree that Brady's Bledsoe-like lack of mobility adds to his decline, and that point actually proves MY point. Also, no way Olsen and his 400 yards receiving is even better than what Gronk is giving us now. AND Forte was by no means a top 10 back that year. I would say the biggest difference between the two QBs in question, other than age, is the mental approach that they took to their situations. Cutler was like a boxer that year, taking punches and hanging in there. I don't think Brady's got the same mind set, and again, I don't blame the guy. He's OLD.

And yes, Brady had a top offense TWO years ago. The years between 35 and 37 in the NFL are more than dog years. Why is it so hard to accept that Brady has declined?

And one point about Manning (who I hate with a burning passion)... yes, his ball has some wobble, and less velocity, but it gets where it's supposed to be. You just can't be objective and say the same about Brady.

West Philly Patriot · Oct 2, 2014

Rory Gallagher said:
I agree that Brady's Bledsoe-like lack of mobility adds to his decline, and that point actually proves MY point. Also, no way Olsen and his 400 yards receiving is even better than what Gronk is giving us now. AND Forte was by no means a top 10 back that year. I would say the biggest difference between the two QBs in question, other than age, is the mental approach that they took to their situations. Cutler was like a boxer that year, taking punches and hanging in there. I don't think Brady's got the same mind set, and again, I don't blame the guy. He's OLD.

Brady is still a better pocket passer than Cutler was in 2010. The last season proves that point as the line was better and he still put up better numbers with a below average corps than Cutler has in his career.

This proverbial Cliff that Brady has supposedly fallen off doesn't exist. He isn't as good as when he was 31. Ok. He isn't THIS bad. Don't believe the hype.

Rory Gallagher · Oct 2, 2014

upstater1 said:
In 2012-2013, the Patriots scored the 3rd most points in NFL history. Totally hidden by the QBR and rating stats is the fact that although they put up 4700 yards through the air and 2100 yards on the ground, they scored 34 TDs by passing, and 26 by running it in, including 4 TDs by Brady himself. This tells me the offense was cranking even though the QB stats don't show what a great year Brady had. And it was a passing offense, not a running offense. Compare to Aaron Rodgers who got all the accolades that year for throwing 39 TDs. His team only scored 7 rushing TDs.

What is more impressive?

So, how does Brady go from what I would argue is his BEST season EVER in 2012-2013 to a pretty bad offense in a few short months? did he lose his abilities over the summer? Or did it have more to do with losing Gronk, Welker, Hernandez and Lloyd?

Isn't the answer obvious.

No doubt a QB loses skills as he goes from age 35 to 36. It's normal. But how much does he lose ina few short months? Certainly not the drastic changes we've seen.

To go from your best year ever to your worst in months?

In my book, Brady has every excuse in the world here. He is not throwing to Welker, Demaryious Thomas, Julius Thomas, Tamme or Decker/Sanders.

Unless I'm misreading this... you're talking about two years difference (2012 to 2014). That's exactly my argument. He's fallen off a cliff, as he's SUPPOSED to have done. This is what happens to QBs at his age. Over, and over and over again. Again, Jim Rice in 87. In 86 he could still hit. In 87 he couldn't. It happens. ALL THE TIME.

Rory Gallagher · Oct 2, 2014

West Philly Patriot said:
Brady is still a better pocket passer than Cutler was in 2010. The last season proves that point as the line was better and he still put up better numbers with a below average corps than Cutler has in his career.

This proverbial Cliff that Brady has supposedly fallen off doesn't exist. He isn't as good as when he was 31. Ok. He isn't THIS bad. Don't believe the hype.

No, Brady is not a good pocket passer anymore:+

John Parolin - ESPN : Brady has a 31.8 completion percentage on throws deeper than 10 yards downfield, worst in the league and one of three quarterbacks below 40 percent.

Sam Monson PFF: It isn't all about protection, though -- Brady's passer rating on 95 unpressured dropbacks this season is just 83.0, and neither of his interceptions came under duress.

I will try to source another study I just read that showed that there is little difference between unpressured QB ratings between QBs who are consistently under duress and those that aren't.

I love Brady guys. I just know what I'm seeing. I've seen it before in Bird, Rice, and every other one of my sports heroes growing up. They just suddenly can't do it anymore, and looking back on it, it's as if it happened over night. Sad, yes, but true.

On a personal note: at 34 I could still dunk. At 35 I couldn't. I was still in decent shape, nothing much changed physically, I just couldn't do it anymore. Now, I'm only a few years older than Brady, and I can barely get rim. Still in shape. What happened? I got old.

Nordberg · Oct 2, 2014

Rory Gallagher said:
No, Brady is not a good pocket passer anymore:+

John Parolin - ESPN : Brady has a 31.8 completion percentage on throws deeper than 10 yards downfield, worst in the league and one of three quarterbacks below 40 percent.

Sam Monson PFF: It isn't all about protection, though -- Brady's passer rating on 95 unpressured dropbacks this season is just 83.0, and neither of his interceptions came under duress.

I will try to source another study I just read that showed that there is little difference between unpressured QB ratings between QBs who are consistently under duress and those that aren't.

I love Brady guys. I just know what I'm seeing. I've seen it before in Bird, Rice, and every other one of my sports heroes growing up. They just suddenly can't do it anymore, and looking back on it, it's as if it happened over night. Sad, yes, but true.

On a personal note: at 34 I could still dunk. At 35 I couldn't. I was still in decent shape, nothing much changed physically, I just couldn't do it anymore. Now, I'm only a few years older than Brady, and I can barely get rim. Still in shape. What happened? I got old.

Why do you act like Brady's completion percentage and passer rating have nothing to do with his line/weapons?

Rory Gallagher · Oct 2, 2014

Nordberg said:
Why do you act like Brady's completion percentage and passer rating have nothing to do with his line/weapons?

Because I don't buy the weapons argument when Amendola was a plus receiver before Brady, LaFell was legit in Carolina, and Wright set rookie TE receiving records before Tom. And as i said earlier, there is no correlation between QBs' unpressured QB ratings and whether or not they are consistently pressured otherwise. Why do you NOT think that these are symptoms of age when history shows us that this happens to EVERY other QB who has ever played the game?

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