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1) There are lots of folks who seem to be more Brady fans than patriot fans. One poster suggests that the patriots would be the black hole of the NFL if Brady were to be pushed out. Another would root for Brady to beat the patriots badly. That same poster would root for Brady even if he were a jet. One says that he is a football fan first and a patriot fan second, but seems to really mean a Brady fan second.

2) I will simply state my personal opinion. I was not a fan in 1960 as some here have been. I'm a newcomer (1979; I didn't experience 1976 as a patriot fan. But I am a PATRIOT fan first. I have been royally pi$$ed when several players went including Milloy, Law, and Seymour. But I recall the team before Kraft. I recall the Toilet Bowl. I recall experiences bad coaching for real, and bad drafting for real. Now we win 10 game every year, and tie or win the division every year. We are truly spoiled. There is no team with this kind of success. I understand that some would prefer a different kind of team, one where boom or bust was acceptable. That just isn't the way Kraft runs a team. And yes, I would also root for the patriots if we were a boom or bust team.

If Brady leaves, I will mourn his loss. Many HOF quarterbacks did not play their last game for their primary team. However, the team will move on, and I will root for the patriots for the next game, perhaps not with great enthusiasm for a couple of games (as when Milloy was fired), but root for my team just the same.

3) Brady fans seem to think that the team should fold for 2-3 years after Brady goes and Belichick shouldn't sign anyone on the off chance that Brady is not available for a game or a season. For them, it just doesn't matter because we will lose if Brady isn't here, so why bother having a top backup. belichick has a different approach. He wants to have a backup in case Brady goes down. And he now 3 times invested a top draft choice in a position that he considers important: backup quarterback. I presume that many of you don't bother with insurance since you just won't get sick.

For me Garapollo is the replacement for our last backup quarterback who was in his contract year. OBVIOUSLY, if Brady stays healthy both Brady and Polo will finish their contracts at the same time. Maybe Polo will be re-signed as a backup or starter, or not.

Belichick has NOT replaced Brady. Backup QB is an important position. It is good to have a backup who can step in when your QB is injured. Folks here seem to want Brady to be replaced by the #1 draft choice. That is an Indy gambit, not something that Kraft would do. IMHO, Kraft has no intention of ever having the first pick in the draft. I don't know what would make folks think that he would let that happen.

BOTTOM LINE
Brady is our HOF quarterback (just like his hero Montana). He is our hero. We root for him. And when he goes, another QB will replace him and we will root for him.

And just BTW, many, many fans rooted for Bledsoe (including Kraft who considered him like a son) and switched allegiances when he went.
You say many HOF QBs have finished their careers with different teams, I see these:

- Peyton Manning had a neck injury missed his entire final season with the Colts.
- Joe Montana did not play in most of the 2 seasons prior to his being traded due to injuries.
- Brett Favre retired and came out of retirement several times.

What other HOF QB had spent a decade or more with his original team only to be cut or traded?

As far as my black hole comment goes, do you think NFL players are any different from you or me, they like to feel appreciated at work. Look at the offense, it was surgical in the preseason against the Panthers, a week later they traded Mankins now it is a disaster. It is one thing to trade a Randy Moss or Richard Seymour, even cut a Tommy Kelly, but players like Mankins, Wilfork, and especially Brady, when you cut or trade them it has a detrimental impact on the locker room and the player moral.


Just answer me this, do you think marquee free agents would sign with Belichick after he forced Tom Brady out?




 
I must admit, for a team at the forefront of coaching, the Patriots approach to this season has me befuddled.

Yet no calls for Belichick to be replaced. Just dumping on Brady.

Willing to bet, of the posters who were here, all the people who wanted to trade him to keep Cassel are the same ones now rambling about how he's done and it's all his fault and it's time to see what JAG can do.

"Go Red Sox."
 
I must admit, for a team at the forefront of coaching, the Patriots approach to this season has me befuddled.

Unless you realize that everything comes to an end.....and when it comes to a football team you either hit some bumps or you go dark for 5 to 10 years.....they've been here before.....the hysteria is fantastic
 

This is probably not the best approach at humor given the current ISIS situation, 3 innocent people have lost their lives, we should not joke about beheading.


We could joke about you instead
 
Yeah, let's not make jokes about beheading people, guys. I understand the need to prove yours is longer than the other dude's on an internet forum, but we don't have to go that far.
 
Brady is not broken .... It is impossible to break something that is so soft
Even by your black-hole standards, that's a new low for moronic commentary.
 
Unless you realize that everything comes to an end.....and when it comes to a football team you either hit some bumps or you go dark for 5 to 10 years.....they've been here before.....the hysteria is fantastic
All good things must come to and it's more I would prefer that end wasn't because the Patriots committed seppuku.
 
Awards3× AP NFL Coach of the Year (2003, 2007, 2010)
Super Bowl Champion
XXI, XXV (as an assistant coach)
XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX (as a head coach)
HonorsNFL 2000s All-Decade Team
Regular season201–107–0 (.653)
Postseason19–9 (.679)
Career record220–116–0 (.655)
Super Bowlwins2001 (XXXVI)
2003 (XXXVIII)
2004 (XXXIX)
Championships wonAFC (2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2011)

This guy is horrible, please send him to New Orleans to finish his losing career.

I am talking about BB the GM, not the coach
 
Even by your black-hole standards, that's a new low for moronic commentary.
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The direct answer to you question is "as many as come now ".

You implication that Brady should play as long as he want no matter what is just plain silly. There will reach a time when Brady is no longer the right choice for the patriots. Brady will likely agree and retire, or NOT.

No matter how many ways you look at this, the answer is the same. The NFL is a business. The patriots is a business. Perhaps it will be good business to keep Brady after his time has clearly past, even though the coach thinks that it is the wrong thing for team in terms of winning.

The reality is that the time for such a decisions, and it is a decision, is not now. We don't expect this decision to come until the 2017 season. I doubt that Belichick's assessment is any different.



Just answer me this, do you think marquee free agents would sign with Belichick after he forced Tom Brady out?



 
All good things must come to and it's more I would prefer that end wasn't because the Patriots committed seppuku.

I don't think we're there yet...... I still sense some blaze of glory

Like rutger hauer in the blade runner shoving a nail through his hand to keep his senses......not yet
 
I don't "like Brady more than the Pats", but I'm starting to realize how much he carried them the last couple of years.
All good things must come to and it's more I would prefer that end wasn't because the Patriots committed seppuku.

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The correlation vs. causation debate is one that will always enter my mind with Belichick. How much of his coaching success is he the cause of, and how much of it is the correlation of him having a top 5 QB for over a decade? 2008 is what posters hang their hats on but in reality the team won 16 games with Brady in 2007 and then won just 11 without him; a 5 game variance in wins/losses is significant.

Most years Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger and other top 5-6 QBs are in the Super Bowl, in fact over the past 10 years Brady is the only one in that group who has not won a Super Bowl. I look forward to the day I can see Belichick without Brady, I do not think he will be able to get away with trading the Mankins, and cutting the Kelly’s when it happens though.



Also, they had the easiest schedule I've ever seen that Pats have in that Matt Cassel year, and they got blown out against almost every good team they played year.

It's easy for people to point out the record without realizing why it's the way it is.
Awards3× AP NFL Coach of the Year (2003, 2007, 2010)
Super Bowl Champion
XXI, XXV (as an assistant coach)
XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX (as a head coach)
HonorsNFL 2000s All-Decade Team
Regular season201–107–0 (.653)
Postseason19–9 (.679)
Career record220–116–0 (.655)
Super Bowlwins2001 (XXXVI)
2003 (XXXVIII)
2004 (XXXIX)
Championships wonAFC (2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2011)

This guy is horrible, please send him to New Orleans to finish his losing career.

It's easy to throw around stats without context though. For instance, he inherited a great defense from Bill Parcells, and has failed for the last 5 years to raise a defense in the top 20 I think.

Ad I'm not saying he's a bad coach; in fact, he's had games with a remarkable game plan despite the lack of talent on defense. I'm just saying that he's not this epic genius next Lombardi/Tom Landry tier that some make him out to be.
 
Also, they had the easiest schedule I've ever seen that Pats have in that Matt Cassel year, and they got blown out against almost every good team they played year.

It's easy for people to point out the record without realizing why it's the way it is.


It's easy to throw around stats without context though. For instance, he inherited a great defense from Bill Parcells, and has failed for the last 5 years to raise a defense in the top 20 I think.

Ad I'm not saying he's a bad coach; in fact, he's had games with a remarkable game plan despite the lack of talent on defense. I'm just saying that he's not this epic genius next Lombardi/Tom Landry tier that some make him out to be.

None of this is relevant to the point that the QB is 37. It is stupid to pin all of the problems on everyone but him. And you're not going to spend everything you have to wrap a cocoon around him. The exodus of good players in the last 8 years had to do with not only having to pay Brady, but to also pay everyone relevant to him. Which came at the expense of the defense. Who won the super bowl last year? And why? Who wins most super bowls and why?

As fun as it is to watch fantasy football, Brady would be just another QB if it weren't for the defenses that kept opponents muzzled while he took the part of the hero
 
None of this is relevant to the point that the QB is 37. It is stupid to pin all of the problems on everyone but him. And you're not going to spend everything you have to wrap a cocoon around him. The exodus of good players in the last 8 years had to do with not only having to pay Brady, but to also pay everyone relevant to him. Which came at the expense of the defense. Who won the super bowl last year? And why? Who wins most super bowls and why?

As fun as it is to watch fantasy football, Brady would be just another QB if it weren't for the defenses that kept opponents muzzled while he took the part of the hero

What?

Do you realize that in the 12 seasons you have watched Brady as the starting quarterback for the New England Patriots, you, along with the rest of the country, have had to watch him starring in the AFC Championship game EIGHT times? Do you realize how utterly ridiculous that is?

Tom Brady is essentially the MAIN CHARACTER in the story of the AFC.

Would you like to list off the Superbowl champions that have had the worst offensive lines in the history of football? There is a Grand Canyon sized cap between what you are saying and what is and has been happening.
 
What?

Do you realize that in the 12 seasons you have watched Brady as the starting quarterback for the New England Patriots, you, along with the rest of the country, have had to watch him starring in the AFC Championship game EIGHT times? Do you realize how utterly ridiculous that is?

Tom Brady is essentially the MAIN CHARACTER in the story of the AFC.

Would you like to list off the Superbowl champions that have had the worst offensive lines in the history of football? There is a Grand Canyon sized cap between what you are saying and what is and has been happening.

HOW MANY SB WINS WHEN THIS TEAM WAS DEFENSE ORIENTED?

HOW MANY SB WINS SINCE THIS TEAM BECAME OFFENSE ORIENTED?

the mistake was making this team 'dynamic' only to watch it buckle every time an opponent punched it in the mouth
 
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