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By and large I’ve stayed away from football these past few days as it seems anything Patriots-related has turned into a full-blown inquisition ranging from the ludicrous to downright insane (the Spanish Inquisition pales in comparison). I did, however pay attention to sources that I thought were well-qualified to speak on the topic, and those included Bruschi who has shown a remarkable level-headedness through this, and Harrison, (i.e., ex-Patriot players). What they both pointed out was that football is essentially about blocking. If you can’t block, you can’t execute, and when you can’t execute, you aren’t playing football. That’s a basic point of truth and is why I believe that it’s hard to diagnose what is wrong with the offense when the blocking isn’t there. And to a further extent, if the offense isn’t there, it’s hard for the defense to stay enthusiastic.

In that regard, I am revisiting the Mankins trade- and while a good argument could be made that his level of play isn’t where it once was, there are two important things that stand out to me, one of which is his leadership and toughness which is now a void on the line. The other is the timing of the trade which couldn’t have happened at a worst point: right before the regular season started. This seems to have been a fatal combination which has resulted in the line having no confidence, no leadership, and more importantly no trust in each other which naturally leads to missed blocks and blown assignments because you aren’t trusting that the guy next to you will do his job, and you feel compelled to cover for him or do his job for him, losing your man in the process. And on top of that, a new coach who comes with a new system, new terminology.

Solder seems to have been affected the most, as his confidence has plunged- and when that happens, no amount of technique in the world is going to save you. It does not look like he is a natural leader and that role has been unjustly placed on his shoulder in Mankins’s absence. The minor bright spot on the line is that we are finally starting to develop consistency at center and that is the place to start. Stork turned in a remarkably good performance in a hostile, loud environment and didn’t make too many mistakes. FWIW, the sack Solder gave up to Hali was in fact, Stork’s fault. Hali had figured out the timing of the snap by watching Stork’s tendency to bob his head right before the snap and was able to beat Solder before he could establish. This is something Stork will self-scout on and most certainly eliminate in the future.

And as for this past Monday night.. there are a few other factors to consider which leads me to believe that it was just a perfect storm waiting to happen. What people seem to forget is that prior to Monday night, Reid was 0-4 vs. BB (including on a national stage), so you can bet he stayed up quite a few nights dreaming up a fantastic, near perfect game plan which included quite a bit of weakside plays that threw this gap-priority defense and messed up their gap responsibilities (something we will see more of as we go forward as we all know the NFL is a copycat league). That along with wearing the wrong cleats (the Pats haven’t been on that field since ’06) as well as a bad game design on McD’s (and BB’s part) in that by benching two WR”s and going with a gameplan that called for plenty of quick releases and backfield action, they pretty much sent a loud message to the OL: “We have zero confidence in you.”

I think this team has too much integrity and pride not to self-scout and self-assess their way back to their usual standards, so I am not hitting the panic button and am far from doing so. I think it is unfair to judge Brady when his line is not taking care of him or protecting him. He is right now, IMO, the equivalent of a blind man being judged for not driving a car properly or skillfully.

I somehow think that, come Sunday night, the ship will be righted and all will be good in Patriot nation. BB has already buried the game ball and moved the team past this, and we should all move on as well.
 
One other thing is the noise in the stadium, which was, ahem, slightly more than they were accustomed to.
 
In the past, decisions like the Mankins trade seemed to follow a plan. Whether these plans were the right ones or not is for another debate, but it's the first time I can recall in the Belichick era that this one seems to be total improvisation.

When they traded Mankins, I would like to think that the coaching staff was okay with his replacement, that they assessed the drop at the position and they thought they could live with it. Given that Cannon was the LG in the opener, I assume the coaching staff had already evaluated him as Mankins' replacement before consuming the trade.

But from the opener I felt like there was improvisation: the constant rotation of the linemen was something new, and it's contrary to the usual belief that an offensive line takes time to gel and as such should be given multiple reps to the same group of people to develop cohesiveness.

And the complete reshuffle of the line on Monday just added up to the sense of improvisation by the coaching staff. And on top of the reshuffling, the continued with the substitutions !
I have a hard time understanding that 2 months after the start of training camp they still have not identified their 5 best offensive linemen,
 
When Logan was trade, i remember clearly being the first ( or one of those) to say that his leadership would be missed and then I was shut down by some. I agree with you, OP, but for me it goes deeper than the Trade.

Ultimately, i think the fault goes to our GM and our coaching staff, to have overestimated themselves and their team, and not doing the proper adjustments those last offseasons. I mean, none of those offense miscues are a surprise. We all expected the OLine to be bad( not at this level, although with perspective of improvenment) and the WRs to be bad to mediocre (again, they havent even reached that level)
 
By and large I’ve stayed away from football these past few days as it seems anything Patriots-related has turned into a full-blown inquisition ranging from the ludicrous to downright insane (the Spanish Inquisition pales in comparison). I did, however pay attention to sources that I thought were well-qualified to speak on the topic, and those included Bruschi who has shown a remarkable level-headedness through this, and Harrison, (i.e., ex-Patriot players). What they both pointed out was that football is essentially about blocking. If you can’t block, you can’t execute, and when you can’t execute, you aren’t playing football. That’s a basic point of truth and is why I believe that it’s hard to diagnose what is wrong with the offense when the blocking isn’t there. And to a further extent, if the offense isn’t there, it’s hard for the defense to stay enthusiastic.

In that regard, I am revisiting the Mankins trade- and while a good argument could be made that his level of play isn’t where it once was, there are two important things that stand out to me, one of which is his leadership and toughness which is now a void on the line. The other is the timing of the trade which couldn’t have happened at a worst point: right before the regular season started. This seems to have been a fatal combination which has resulted in the line having no confidence, no leadership, and more importantly no trust in each other which naturally leads to missed blocks and blown assignments because you aren’t trusting that the guy next to you will do his job, and you feel compelled to cover for him or do his job for him, losing your man in the process. And on top of that, a new coach who comes with a new system, new terminology.

Solder seems to have been affected the most, as his confidence has plunged- and when that happens, no amount of technique in the world is going to save you. It does not look like he is a natural leader and that role has been unjustly placed on his shoulder in Mankins’s absence. The minor bright spot on the line is that we are finally starting to develop consistency at center and that is the place to start. Stork turned in a remarkably good performance in a hostile, loud environment and didn’t make too many mistakes. FWIW, the sack Solder gave up to Hali was in fact, Stork’s fault. Hali had figured out the timing of the snap by watching Stork’s tendency to bob his head right before the snap and was able to beat Solder before he could establish. This is something Stork will self-scout on and most certainly eliminate in the future.

And as for this past Monday night.. there are a few other factors to consider which leads me to believe that it was just a perfect storm waiting to happen. What people seem to forget is that prior to Monday night, Reid was 0-4 vs. BB (including on a national stage), so you can bet he stayed up quite a few nights dreaming up a fantastic, near perfect game plan which included quite a bit of weakside plays that threw this gap-priority defense and messed up their gap responsibilities (something we will see more of as we go forward as we all know the NFL is a copycat league). That along with wearing the wrong cleats (the Pats haven’t been on that field since ’06) as well as a bad game design on McD’s (and BB’s part) in that by benching two WR”s and going with a gameplan that called for plenty of quick releases and backfield action, they pretty much sent a loud message to the OL: “We have zero confidence in you.”

I think this team has too much integrity and pride not to self-scout and self-assess their way back to their usual standards, so I am not hitting the panic button and am far from doing so. I think it is unfair to judge Brady when his line is not taking care of him or protecting him. He is right now, IMO, the equivalent of a blind man being judged for not driving a car properly or skillfully.

I somehow think that, come Sunday night, the ship will be righted and all will be good in Patriot nation. BB has already buried the game ball and moved the team past this, and we should all move on as well.

This game wasn't an aberration. As Brady himself said, the offense hasn't played well in a long time. And while Brady isn't getting protected well that doesn't give him a fee pass aks a blind man driving a car. He's missed a bunch of open guys and made poor reads. I think he can correct that but like I've said in other posts, his inability to scramble really gets exposed when the line can't block well. On that 3rd and 2 just about every other QB in the league runs for the first down.

Even if they win Sunday night I don't thing all will be good. just my two cents.
 
The team has moved on from productive players in the past. And BB followed the same formula here too with mankins. Unfortunately he forgot his own mantra this time 'each situation is different' . Happens. There is nothing he can do to go back and redo it so either he can own up and take the media flogging which is what everyone wants which wont help anyone but the media or try and find a fix like he did when branch was traded.
 
It is an adjustment and if BB still has it (which I think he does), by the time 3 or 4 games are played from now we won't even be talking about this.

Remember in this regime, the Pats do lose hard now and then. Regroup, Adjust, Next. They'll be fine as long as #12 and most of the supporting cast remain healthy.
 
The team has moved on from productive players in the past. And BB followed the same formula here too with mankins. Unfortunately he forgot his own mantra this time 'each situation is different' . Happens. There is nothing he can do to go back and redo it so either he can own up and take the media flogging which is what everyone wants which wont help anyone but the media or try and find a fix like he did when branch was traded.

Despite everything I sincerely doubt that the decision would be different if BB could redo the Mankins trade.
 
This game wasn't an aberration. As Brady himself said, the offense hasn't played well in a long time. And while Brady isn't getting protected well that doesn't give him a fee pass aks a blind man driving a car. He's missed a bunch of open guys and made poor reads. I think he can correct that but like I've said in other posts, his inability to scramble really gets exposed when the line can't block well. On that 3rd and 2 just about every other QB in the league runs for the first down.

Even if they win Sunday night I don't thing all will be good. just my two cents.

I guess what I am trying to say is that it's useless to diagnose until the problems up front are fixed, and I believe that they will.

Once they are fixed, we'll know what we have to deal with- it could be a glaring problem, or it could be nothing at all. Either way, now is not the time to panic.
 
One other thing is the noise in the stadium, which was, ahem, slightly more than they were accustomed to.

Non factor.

NE never has a false start.
 
The answer is simple......time for the team to start giving a damn
 
Non factor.

NE never had a false start.

Which has to be a really positive sign since we had two rookies starting on that night. I want to point out that Stork and Brady were pretty much on the same page: no flubbed snaps, no surprise. Granted, I think they may have worked out a temporary system to deal with the noise, but it's a good start to build on. A confidence builder.
 
Not sure if this was posted elsewhere, sorry if it was. Excellent analysis of Solder's footwork here:
http://central.sonsofsamhorn.net/nfl/new-england-patriots/tackling-solder/

Seems to be related to DG's coaching and how he's had other LTs use a more narrow stance in the past with great success. Solder is adjusting his stance, and is struggling as a result. I coach track at the college level, and I know that whenever you make a major technical change in an athlete, you do it in the summer (our off season) so that the athlete doesn't suffer during the competitive season. If this is in fact true that Solder's stance is different, why wasn't it done earlier so he was able to adjust in time for the season?
 
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it's called coughing up a hairball......the game was beyond analysis

it's like trying to break down the film of the pats bears superbowl
 
Despite everything I sincerely doubt that the decision would be different if BB could redo the Mankins trade.

concur regarding the Mankins trade; but if BB doesnt think in retrospect that they should have (if was at alll possible) settled on a firm set of 5 in game one (hopefully the current 5 or at least a 5 with Stork in the middle) and stuck with it for four games..... then the game really has passed him by (which I dont believe).
 
Not sure if this was posted elsewhere, sorry if it was. Excellent analysis of Solder's footwork here:
http://central.sonsofsamhorn.net/nfl/new-england-patriots/tackling-solder/

Seems to be related to DG's coaching and how he's had other LTs use a more narrow stance in the past with great success. Solder is adjusting his stance, and is struggling as a result. I coach track at the college level, and I know that whenever you make a major technical change in an athlete, you do it in the summer (our off season) so that the athlete doesn't suffer during the competitive season. If this is in fact true that Solder's stance is different, why wasn't it done earlier so he was able to adjust in time for the season?

That is a great link. This post deserves a thread of its own.
 
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