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This thread is the most insane, toxic hellstew that I have read on patsfans for a long time.

There are fans in the league who have never seen their team in the post season in their entire life and here it is not acceptable to start with 2-2 ?

The atmosphere this season in here has been seriously crazy..

Well, considering we have:
- Brady - supposed to GOAT...at least top 3 all time
- Gronk - talentwise, best ever?
- Revis - top CB?

We should be expecting a lot more than what we've seen. Our 2-2 could have been 1-3..and not sure if Cassel hadn't handed us the win for getting him paid we beat the Vikings from week 4.

The problem is maybe we aren't the most atheltic, or big name team, but we're supposed to one of the smartest coached team....nothing about the last 5 games (if not more) have shown that
 
Yes....but you would need RECEIVERS to accomplish this. Gronk is not right....and perhaps wont be for a long time if ever.....double up Edelman and you shut down our "receiving corps" last night...that combined with Brady on the decline, a new patchwork OL......and asinine coaching .....and you dont have alot of hope last night....just epic failure By BB.......like the title states....IT ALL starts with him and his failures as our coach and GM..

NAILED IT! AGREE!
Brady on a decline isn't as bad as it sounds. He can still hang with best of'm but BB has NEVER addressed an urgency after AHern was arrested and 2 TE Hurry Up Offense was done. When you Have Tom Brady BB MUST do EVERYTHING to get him Top Shelf Receivers through FA, Trades PROVEN VETS whatever it takes. BB has cost us a couple of more SB Wins with our Atrocious Defense and now he's managed to do it to our Offense and last nite was a dose of both of them Suckin It Up! I dunno where Kraft is in all of this if he's too cheap to pull'da trigger but Brady should sue for lack of support but he won't 'cuz he's a good soldier, BB should be held Accountable for ALL THIS!
 
I think my biggest concern about Belichick right now is that he is just clueless on how to fix things and just throwing crap against the wall. Four week, four different o-lines. And the line that started the game didn't finish the game because he is pulling people. That is a coaching issue.

I have never seen Belichick act like this. He would usually choose five guys and stick with them. This o-line is never going to get better just mixing and matching all game.
The offense lacks leadership outside of Brady. There is no light,mankins welker type players who can voice their opinions . The picture of brady sitting alone on the bench is an epitome. He is playing with a bunch of young kids, and no one can offer him anything or share anything with him.
Like in SB39, the pats defensive players complained that their scheme was too complicated before the superbowl and asked to simplify it. Who is that player on this team on both sides ? Team lacks, leadership and motivation and they are all looking to brady or BB to provide something.
 
Felger pointed out the roster makeup for last night and it is becoming very clear BB expected a totally different type of game and built his offense accordingly.
Last night:
5 RBs
3 TEs
3 WRs
BB wanted to run...BB deployed a run heavy roster....but the game got out of hand almost immediately....and because of his roster deployment, he didn't have targets to play catch up. Classic overcompensation....aka...No plan B available. That's scary that the coach can't carry a balanced roster into a game to account for all possibilities.

I don't agree with that. I don't see how the game dictated a change in philosophy.

We had 14 plays until KC scored a second time and 8 of those plays were passes. Until 0:14 there was no reason to say the game is out of hand. And even then one could argue that the game was not out of hand yet since we had over 10 minutes left in the second quarter + ball in 3q. But guess what we did after KC scored their second TD ? Exactly, 6 passes out of 7 plays.

The entire gameplan just looks more and more grotesque. If we go run heavy, why are 14 of the first 21 plays passes ? Yes, third and long might dictate that we have to pass but this still doesn't explain why it was so lopsided. I don't buy the excuse that the game was out of hand so we had to play catchup.
 
Except 2nd play from scrimmage ended this theory..... Can't count on sticking to the run
I seriously doubt Belichick didn't know the game plan. Anyone who thinks just tells McDaniels to go off and develop a gameplan and Belichick gets to see it when we do on game day is kidding themselves. Belichick is actively involved in the development of the game plan and if he doesn't like the plays McDaniels is calling he makes him change what they are doing. Listen to Belichick when he was mic'd up last week. He told McDaniels to change to game plan and run at the Raiders.
Where did I write "BB didn't know the game plan?"
 
Where did I write "BB didn't know the game plan?"

I guess I misread your post.

I disagree that things got out of hand. They were in three wide sets right out of the gun. They were only running out of shotgun before the game got out of hand. I don't understand what they were thinking.
 

Yes, I want to fire the greatest coach of his generation and the one who took us to the AFCCG last year. Isn't that what I just said? It's time for him to move on.

I never said it should be done right now. It should be done in December when our season comes to an end.


I agree, it is time for us fans to quit putting up with BB's lousy performance!! He sucks!!

Let's look at the top NFL standings for the 2000's in terms of winning percentage, the top five being:

1. New England Patriots 70.8%
2. Indianapolis Colts 70.1%
3. Pittsburg Steelers 65.2%
4. Philadelphia Eagles 63.8%
5. Green Bay Packers 58.0%

The Patriots should have been first by a bigger margin!! Plus, that is a long time ago, more recently they have REALLY sucked. Let's look at the top five rated teams in terms of winning percentage in the 2010's

1. New England Patriots 75.0%
2. Green Bay Packers 67.8%
3. Baltimore Ravens 67.1%
4. San Francisco 49ers 65.1%
5. New Orleans Saints 61.6%

It's clear that it is time for BB to go!! No more us fans putting up with his sucky performance!! We want to root for a non-sucky team for a change!! We deserve more!!

http://home.jps.net/~fos/nfl/nfl.htm
 
It just amazes me when Dobson and Thompkins are inactive. But for some mysterious reason Amendola is active. The guy who hasn't shown much at all and doesn't play special teams.

Amendola absolutely should be active, because he's the backup to Edelman, and we know how important Edelman is.

Whether Dobson & Thompkins should both be inactive is a bit separate from that.
 
I've never called for Belichick to be fired before tonight. But it's time for him to move on.

....and your pick to replace him?

Based on this season's results so far, anyone think it might be Jason Garrett?
 
I posted this in another thread, but I think it also fits here. I'll merge the edit:

Lacking toughness - Spikes allowed to walk, Mankins traded
Lacking run stoppers and LB depth - Spikes allowed to walk
Lacking OL talent - Mankins traded, nothing but rookies and 'rookies' brought in
Lacking TE talent - a WR listed at a TE is brought in, scrubs compete for TE2 before that
Lacking WR talent - A WR3/WR4 is brought in
Lacking DT depth and health with multiple players post-op - Second best interior DL allowed to walk, rookie recovering from his second ACL surgery is brought in
Lacking DE depth - Jake Bequette is gonna save the day!
Lacking an S2 - Chung is brought back
Don't trust your RB1 - Let the guy who took over the RB1 job last year just walk away

And your solution to these issues is?
 
I will agree that BB is the blame for the KC rout. He so much admitted to that tonight on the radio.

And I will also give him the credit for the 14 great years that we have had as fans,
 
I guess I misread your post.

I disagree that things got out of hand. They were in three wide sets right out of the gun. They were only running out of shotgun before the game got out of hand. I don't understand what they were thinking.

Last night, it seemed to me as if NE coaches out smarted themselves.
 
Everybody keeps throwing this winning percentage up when discussing Bill. Doesn't anybody think having the best QB ever was a huge part of those wins. At this point Brady can take a good team to the Superbowl just like Rodgers,Manning,Roethlisberger,Brees and Russell Wilson. But doesn't seem able to carry a bad team. As a matter of fact his OLine is worse than ever at 37. When everybody was discussing Bills terrible draft picks and how he needs to draft better, His fans counter with how the team makes the playoffs every year. And won championships 10 yrs ago. Nobody was trying to insult Bill because the discipline he coaches was a part of those wins. Everybody was just saying that making the playoffs every year doesn't excuse burning more draft picks than what's considered acceptable. And how it will catch up to your football team eventually. Just like the American economy. Excessive borrowing is OK as long as the economy is acceptable. Never mind now the current borrowing system is flawed and will eventually show it. Bust after bust was OK as long as Brady takes them to the playoffs every year. Not having very good outside playmaking WRs or a dominant pass rusher every year was OK " as long as they made the playoffs" . Offensive lineman that you know are barely serviceable and should be replaced ASAP are brought back "as long as they make the playoffs" The gov't burns $$ every year as long as they can borrow more.

Now when Cinderella players are looking bad, rookies are being rushed to play because a deficiency in developing new talent in the last 7-8 drafts. And rookies did some nice things for a change. Fleming got beat by speed and moves by Houston but that's OK because he won't have to block him often as a guard. The positive is the way Fleming rocked Dontari Poe a couple times. Stork also held up OK. Those guys need reps but who at DT can challenge them in practice.

All the analyst's are saying this is who patriots are now and need a rebuild. I don't see that. They just need to be more conventional and decide who are the building blocks and be a longterm starter at a particular position. Anybody else could be traded or cut. Players like Amendola,Arrington,Wendell,Connolly,Ninkovich, and even Wilfork. Unless Wilfork realizes he isn't an impact player and takes a big pay cut to come back as part time player and leader to coach up young talent. Revis also can't come back at elite salary unless he improves a lot. Then they need to decide if they are a 3-4 or 4-3 team. And trade players for draft picks or other players accordingly. Collins is a building block. He is not an inside backer however. He is an OLB in a 4-3 and maybe a 3-4. They need to find out if his explosiveness can translate to a 3-4 edge rushing OLB. Mayo looked fast against vikings and raiders but slow in KC. They need to get faster at LB. They need an explosive type that can run hit cover as well as get low and slip blocks to stop the run.

Clearing out the slow role players will make cap room to be aggressive in free agency. Then switch the draft strategy from smart players already coached up to talents who will be impact players once coached up. And put a bigger premium on physical talent. A physical talent can often outplay a lesser talent who is already partially coached up. Russell Bodine who didn't make the intelligent line calls like Stork but is physically stronger has already won a job on the Bengals talented OLine. They need to find out about the young WRs as well. Who can be a go to playmaker.
 
Everybody keeps throwing this winning percentage up when discussing Bill. Doesn't anybody think having the best QB ever was a huge part of those wins. At this point Brady can take a good team to the Superbowl just like Rodgers,Manning,Roethlisberger,Brees and Russell Wilson. But doesn't seem able to carry a bad team. As a matter of fact his OLine is worse than ever at 37. When everybody was discussing Bills terrible draft picks and how he needs to draft better, His fans counter with how the team makes the playoffs every year. And won championships 10 yrs ago. Nobody was trying to insult Bill because the discipline he coaches was a part of those wins. Everybody was just saying that making the playoffs every year doesn't excuse burning more draft picks than what's considered acceptable. And how it will catch up to your football team eventually. Just like the American economy. Excessive borrowing is OK as long as the economy is acceptable. Never mind now the current borrowing system is flawed and will eventually show it. Bust after bust was OK as long as Brady takes them to the playoffs every year. Not having very good outside playmaking WRs or a dominant pass rusher every year was OK " as long as they made the playoffs" . Offensive lineman that you know are barely serviceable and should be replaced ASAP are brought back "as long as they make the playoffs" The gov't burns $$ every year as long as they can borrow more.

Now when Cinderella players are looking bad, rookies are being rushed to play because a deficiency in developing new talent in the last 7-8 drafts. And rookies did some nice things for a change. Fleming got beat by speed and moves by Houston but that's OK because he won't have to block him often as a guard. The positive is the way Fleming rocked Dontari Poe a couple times. Stork also held up OK. Those guys need reps but who at DT can challenge them in practice.

All the analyst's are saying this is who patriots are now and need a rebuild. I don't see that. They just need to be more conventional and decide who are the building blocks and be a longterm starter at a particular position. Anybody else could be traded or cut. Players like Amendola,Arrington,Wendell,Connolly,Ninkovich, and even Wilfork. Unless Wilfork realizes he isn't an impact player and takes a big pay cut to come back as part time player and leader to coach up young talent. Revis also can't come back at elite salary unless he improves a lot. Then they need to decide if they are a 3-4 or 4-3 team. And trade players for draft picks or other players accordingly. Collins is a building block. He is not an inside backer however. He is an OLB in a 4-3 and maybe a 3-4. They need to find out if his explosiveness can translate to a 3-4 edge rushing OLB. Mayo looked fast against vikings and raiders but slow in KC. They need to get faster at LB. They need an explosive type that can run hit cover as well as get low and slip blocks to stop the run.

Clearing out the slow role players will make cap room to be aggressive in free agency. Then switch the draft strategy from smart players already coached up to talents who will be impact players once coached up. And put a bigger premium on physical talent. A physical talent can often outplay a lesser talent who is already partially coached up. Russell Bodine who didn't make the intelligent line calls like Stork but is physically stronger has already won a job on the Bengals talented OLine. They need to find out about the young WRs as well. Who can be a go to playmaker.
 
NAILED IT! AGREE!
Brady on a decline isn't as bad as it sounds. He can still hang with best of'm but BB has NEVER addressed an urgency after AHern was arrested and 2 TE Hurry Up Offense was done. When you Have Tom Brady BB MUST do EVERYTHING to get him Top Shelf Receivers through FA, Trades PROVEN VETS whatever it takes. BB has cost us a couple of more SB Wins with our Atrocious Defense and now he's managed to do it to our Offense and last nite was a dose of both of them Suckin It Up! I dunno where Kraft is in all of this if he's too cheap to pull'da trigger but Brady should sue for lack of support but he won't 'cuz he's a good soldier, BB should be held Accountable for ALL THIS!
I agree. This calls for the ultimate sanction: the death penalty. Anything less is a soft-on-crime response.
 
I agree. This calls for the ultimate sanction: the death penalty. Anything less is a soft-on-crime response.

Probably should have capitalized DEATH PENALTY just to get the point across.
 
Guys Gymrat was right all along... the Pats players just aren't reaching their full potential. ;)
 
Probably should have capitalized DEATH PENALTY just to get the point across.
Maybe, but that might have seemed like OVERKILL!!!!!
 
This is a mystery i just cant get past. Its deserves an answer, doubt we will see one, but i cant seem to move on. Dobson and KT. Why were they scratched? When the corners for the other team are all taller than any of your WRs, thats a problem in the NFL. Didnt we draft Dobson to help with this? And how is he supposed to get better being scratched? For Amendola? I for the life of me am lost on this and cant figure out the love affair with small wide outs. Thoughts?
 
I agree 100%. BB is not doing a good job as a GM, and his coaching prowess has slipped back to his 1st season level 5-11. The genius has seen the game pass him by.

i love BB and what he has done for this team...however i have been saying this for a while. The game is passing BB by and he needs to quit being stubborn and adapt to the times. This is not the 80s and we dont need 270lb LBs. We need speed and more athletic players. We need to tweak the offense so that more FAs and draftees can come in an be successful. He cant continue to draft like he has and think he is outsmarting everyone. Things need to change and the Krafts need to sit down with him and have a serious conversation with him. Things need to change
 
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