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LOL @ Dobson or Thompkins proving anything in this league.

This offense is garbage and Thompkins and Dobson have already proven when they're on the field, they're below JAG. Tyms at least has untapped potential, a potential wild card left-field savior to this putrid, anemic offense. They NEED to shake things up.

They'd be fools NOT to at least give it a ****ing try. I'll take the potential of Tyms over the known garbage that is Dobson and Thompkins. How could you possibly be so stubborn?

Please start Tyms, Bill. The dude can have 4 catches and instantly be an improvement over everyone not named Edelman. I mean for ****s sake, look at Larry Donnell with the Giants. Giants went from having no idea who their #1 tight end would be in the preseason to all of the sudden undrafted Donnell emerging as an elite threat.

GIVE US TYMS. I never bought into the bull*** hype on Thompkins or Dobson, but Tyms actually excites me.

Let's see

Two guys that contributed in the offense against real competition in real games

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A guy that has done nothing in two seasons in the league and had a few catches against crap competition in meaningless games

Up your troll game because it is terrible.
 
Edelman has taken a lot of the routes we'd expect Amendola to be running, but Amendola is also clearly struggling to get open. Whether that's because of last year's injury, a current injury, or just a talent issue, is something we can only guess at.

Pretty sure they were talking about Dobson
 
Pretty sure they were talking about Dobson

It looks like you're right, and I misunderstood. I'll delete my post so people don't get confused the way I did.
 
To those assuming that Tyms is a JAG because he hasn't done much in the league, don't under estimate the effect an offseason on the juice will have. He has the size and the speed.
 
dobson would be more productive if he played for the chargers or cowboys. im sure romo/rivers would actually throw him the ball unlike tom. he'd play a lot more. rookie receivers suck with brady it's a fact.

as for tyms? sigh...he's a jag.
 
The coaches suck this year...but if he is healthy and still sitting out...then there cant be much confidence in him. Less then DA

If that is the case, then why is he on this roster? If the coaches don't have confidence in him then there is absolutely no reason for him to be holding a valuable roster spot.

Pretty sure they were talking about Dobson

For some reason, I don't see Deus post in this thread but "JE taking DA's routes" should not mean anything. He can't get open, he's slow, he's injury prone ... he has no value whatsoever. Why would they give Amendola those "routes" when JE is 100x better at it then him? The way I look at it is - Does X player bring value? If yes, use him accordingly, if no, cut ties with X player.
 
What exactly does Amendola bring to this team? He has 3 catches for 16 yards this season WITH Dobson/Thompkins inactive on a weekly basis.

"Based on his playing time" - He is playing this much because there are no other active WR's.

I thought LaFell looked pretty solid against the Chiefs and was where Brady/Garoppolo expected him to be. My active receivers this week are Dobson (if his foot is healthy), LaFell, Edelman and Thompkins to go with Gronk and Vereen. I'd sit Amendola.

I don't see Tyms on anything but the PS.
 
Hell, can we bring Boyce back onto the roster please? I'm sad and desperate at this point.
 
So Tyms who has done nothing in 2 years in the NFL deserves a chance and Dobson who had the best rookie season a WR has ever had with Brady which was derailed by an injury and missed all of the preseason and has been inactive because of stupid game planning is turning into a dud?

I bet you he would do more than Amendola and before you ask..."a little birdie told me".:rolleyes: With the strange lineups BB and McDaniels have put out there on Offense you act like seeing Brian Tyms would surprise you. like Pete said new blood wouldn't hurt what has Amendola done to be a game day active???? I'm still waiting??
 
LOL @ Dobson or Thompkins proving anything in this league.

This offense is garbage and Thompkins and Dobson have already proven when they're on the field, they're below JAG. Tyms at least has untapped potential, a potential wild card left-field savior to this putrid, anemic offense. They NEED to shake things up.

They'd be fools NOT to at least give it a ****ing try. I'll take the potential of Tyms over the known garbage that is Dobson and Thompkins. How could you possibly be so stubborn?

Please start Tyms, Bill. The dude can have 4 catches and instantly be an improvement over everyone not named Edelman. I mean for ****s sake, look at Larry Donnell with the Giants. Giants went from having no idea who their #1 tight end would be in the preseason to all of the sudden undrafted Donnell emerging as an elite threat.

GIVE US TYMS. I never bought into the bull*** hype on Thompkins or Dobson, but Tyms actually excites me.

I agree I guess they have not excited BB either with their customary healthy scatches. Every Second year WR's are playing for their respectives Teams except the ones on the Patriots!:mad:
 
The offensive game plan was terrible. The play-calling and execution was terrible. So, apparently, the solution has to be to fire someone and replace him by a Practice Squad quality player. If that is needed, then activate Boyce.

BTW, the posts that our our only receivers are Edelman and Gronk are simply ignorant.
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As receivers, we have Edelman, LaFell, Gronkowksi, Vereen and Wright. We need more production from Gronk and Wright. White is OK as Vereen's replacement as a receiving RB. When Gronk is at 100% (or near), this is enough to run 2 WR sets and 2 TE sets. We also have a FB who can be a receiver.

We need a 3rd receiver for 3 WR sets and we need a backup in case of injuries. After all, the #4 WR rarely gets many reps absent injuries, the 5th WR even less (he is usually inactive). If Amendola were producing, Brady has enough active targets. After all, Gronk and Vereen can (and I think did) line up as WR's.

THE PROBLEM
is not that we should be activating more WR's. It would not us any good to have Thompkins or Dobson on the bench.
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DOBSON
I presume that Dobson is still injured. Otherwise, he should not be inactive. He is plenty good enough for a 2-4 reception a game role if healthy, probably much more on a good day (like LaFell). I suppose Dobson will be inactive until he is healthy, which could be next week or late in the season. In any case, Dobson is an asset worth a #5 WR roster spot.

AMENDOLA
Amendola is at least Edelman's backup (perhaps an inactive roster spot if others are able). I would keep him for the entire year just for that role. I have no idea why he hasn't caught more. However, let me add a bit of perspective. For me, he is worth an active roster spot if he can catch 2-4 receptions a game. He caught 3 in the first game and did catch couple that were called back. Amendola is WAAAY overpaid, but the team seems to have confidence in his ability to run routes. Otherwise, at least one other WR would be active (even Boyce).
In any case, he has a roster spot as a backup to Edelman. Of course, there is an outside chance that we could trade him, but I doubt it.
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THE FIFTH WIDE RECEIVER ROSTER SPOT (there might be six if there was someone qualified)

THOMPKINS
This is the real question mark for me. DI has convinced me that he should have been active, even if he were to play just a few reps. Thompkins can indeed stretch the field. In any case, we sometimes do get behind and need an additional downfield receiver, no matter what the game plan. And sometimes, down and distance requires an extra downfield receiver.

If Thompkins isn't worth activating with Dobson not playing, I don't understand his place on the 53. After all, his role is to backup Dobson.

Perhaps Boyce and Tyms should compete in practice for this roster spot. However, I have seen nothing from either one that would give me any confidence in their success.

BOTTOM LINE
I think that we have Edelman, LaFell, Dobson and Amendola.

I do also think that we need a downfield receiver, a backup for Dobson, who could play right away if Dobson cannot. I believe that this player should be Thompkins. Thompkins has shown some NFL skill. Tyms and Boyce have shown none.
 
Sorry for the long post, just want to hit on some points.

The offensive game plan was terrible. The play-calling and execution was terrible. So, apparently, the solution has to be to fire someone and replace him by a Practice Squad quality player. If that is needed, then activate Boyce.

No, I like to look at body of work. Danny Amendola has been here for a season+quarter of a season, what exactly has he done? We gave him a good amount of money for exactly what? He was injured for a large portion of the season and it effected him on the field, does this surprise you? That is who he is, he may not train to be fragile or want to be fragile, but he is and I am convinced that will never change with him and it's very unfortunate that some players are just like this.
There were many things that went wrong last night, but if there was ever a game where DA had to show up and produce it was last night, why else are we paying him the money that we are? He is slow, he can't get open, and once again he is very injury prone. As far as we know, he is 100% healthy, Dobson/Thompkins are both inactive, this guy should be catching AT LEAST 3 balls a game with those two out. Do you not agree? I'll get to boyce later in this post.

BTW, the posts that our our only receivers are Edelman and Gronk are simply ignorant.
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As receivers, we have Edelman, LaFell, Gronkowksi, Vereen and Wright. We need more production from Gronk and Wright. White is OK as Vereen's replacement as a receiving RB. When Gronk is at 100% (or near), this is enough to run 2 WR sets and 2 TE sets. We also have a FB who can be a receiver.

Edelman - Solid, reliable, can move the chains for us.

LaFll - He is a work in progress, his 37 yard catch late last night was a complete mental break down by the Chiefs D. I think it's safe to say we definitely need to see more out of LaFell before we can crown him as reliable and a legitimate threat moving forward.

Gronk - A beast when healthy, but that's the issue with him, he's not healthy very much. Ask yourself if you think Gronk can consistently be active in playoff runs, and be honest with yourself. We need a back up for Gronk more than Edelman IMO.

Vareen - He is not a legitimate receiver, can he catch balls? Yea, but he is a RB. He is a change of pace RB, you cannot honestly believe he's going to go out there on a weekly basis and have success (Esp when half of the receivers are injured/inactive) They have a handful of plays designed for him and that's about it. They need to stop running him up the middle on 1st/2nd downs IMO as well. He's one of those players who benefit when the defense has higher priority threats to cover.

Wright - He is not a healthy Gronk and he is not Jimmy Graham, I think he needs to be involved in the game plan more but just like LaFell we need to see more and also can be a good option if Gronk goes down. He NEEDS to keep developing, it will be key for us.

A FB doesn't stretch the field, you might as well just send Vareen to the flat and maybe he can break loose. But it's good to have a FB who has that ability, I agree.

We need a 3rd receiver for 3 WR sets and we need a backup in case of injuries. After all, the #4 WR rarely gets many reps absent injuries, the 5th WR even less (he is usually inactive). If Amendola were producing, Brady has enough active targets. After all, Gronk and Vereen can (and I think did) line up as WR's.

But that is the problem, Amendola ISN'T and hasn't been producing for over a season now on this team. Gronk also is not healthy. There are a lot of ifs in there.

THE PROBLEM
is not that we should be activating more WR's. It would not us any good to have Thompkins or Dobson on the bench.
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DOBSON
I presume that Dobson is still injured. Otherwise, he should not be inactive. He is plenty good enough for a 2-4 reception a game role if healthy, probably much more on a good day (like LaFell). I suppose Dobson will be inactive until he is healthy, which could be next week or late in the season. In any case, Dobson is an asset worth a #5 WR roster spot.

I agree, Dobson has to be injured otherwise I see no reason for him not to be active. You're right, Dobson needs to be on this team ATM.


AMENDOLA
Amendola is at least Edelman's backup (perhaps an inactive roster spot if others are able). I would keep him for the entire year just for that role. I have no idea why he hasn't caught more. However, let me add a bit of perspective. For me, he is worth an active roster spot if he can catch 2-4 receptions a game. He caught 3 in the first game and did catch couple that were called back. Amendola is WAAAY overpaid, but the team seems to have confidence in his ability to run routes. Otherwise, at least one other WR would be active (even Boyce).
In any case, he has a roster spot as a backup to Edelman. Of course, there is an outside chance that we could trade him, but I doubt it.

Ok, we are not paying Amendola to be Edelman's back up. This guy was suppose to come in and make a difference from the start especially considering he worked with McDaniels before. What makes you think if Edelman went down that he would be able to come and run those routes and be as efficient as Edelman? I think you are undervaluing Edelman, or overrating Amendola. He has done nothing in the NFL to prove he was worth the contract he received. There is no way I'm buying he can just take over Edelmans role if he were to go down. Like I said earlier, I really do believe he is getting this much play time right now because there are no other options. The tape doesn't lie, he is slow and has no physical side to him.


THOMPKINS
This is the real question mark for me. DI has convinced me that he should have been active, even if he were to play just a few reps. Thompkins can indeed stretch the field. In any case, we sometimes do get behind and need an additional downfield receiver, no matter what the game plan. And sometimes, down and distance requires an extra downfield receiver.

If Thompkins isn't worth activating with Dobson not playing, I don't understand his place on the 53. After all, his role is to backup Dobson.

I agree, if hes not worth activating if he's healthy then he has no reason to be on the 53. I think he has value, but he needs to see the field.


Perhaps Boyce and Tyms should compete in practice for this roster spot. However, I have seen nothing from either one that would give me any confidence in their success.

Tyms had a good preseason, I know it's just preseason but his number was called and he provided nice results. What has he done not worth the chance? Boyce has seen NFL play, and the Patriots apparently didn't like much of it. Boyce was cut as well this offseason, it just goes to show how highly they think of him. Sure he was brought back, but I don't know, it doesn't seem like they really care much if a team would of picked him up.


Amendola has shown nothing since last season that would make me say "keep him on this roster". He has almost no value, you never know until you try with Tyms. Even if he fails, what does that really change if he takes DA's spot? He could be the spark this offense needs while everyone else continues to get healthy. What are we going to do? Keep getting completely shut down on offense / lose games just because we're afraid Edelman may go down and absolutely need the unproven DA in his spot?
 
I don't get the logic. Why would the Pats not have cut him at the end of PreSeason if he has no place on the team? Just so we can pay him? I think there is a spot for him on the roster.
 
I don't get the logic. Why would the Pats not have cut him at the end of PreSeason if he has no place on the team? Just so we can pay him? I think there is a spot for him on the roster.

To give him a second chance, he was injured for the majority of the season last season. He was healthy coming into this one. They know about Dobson's injury, they know Tyms was going to be suspended, maybe they are unsure about Thompkins. There are multiple reasons why they didn't cut him going into Week 1.
 
Sorry for the long post, just want to hit on some points.



No, I like to look at body of work. Danny Amendola has been here for a season+quarter of a season, what exactly has he done? We gave him a good amount of money for exactly what? He was injured for a large portion of the season and it effected him on the field, does this surprise you? That is who he is, he may not train to be fragile or want to be fragile, but he is and I am convinced that will never change with him and it's very unfortunate that some players are just like this.
There were many things that went wrong last night, but if there was ever a game where DA had to show up and produce it was last night, why else are we paying him the money that we are? He is slow, he can't get open, and once again he is very injury prone. As far as we know, he is 100% healthy, Dobson/Thompkins are both inactive, this guy should be catching AT LEAST 3 balls a game with those two out. Do you not agree? I'll get to boyce later in this post.



Edelman - Solid, reliable, can move the chains for us.

LaFll - He is a work in progress, his 37 yard catch late last night was a complete mental break down by the Chiefs D. I think it's safe to say we definitely need to see more out of LaFell before we can crown him as reliable and a legitimate threat moving forward.

Gronk - A beast when healthy, but that's the issue with him, he's not healthy very much. Ask yourself if you think Gronk can consistently be active in playoff runs, and be honest with yourself. We need a back up for Gronk more than Edelman IMO.

Vareen - He is not a legitimate receiver, can he catch balls? Yea, but he is a RB. He is a change of pace RB, you cannot honestly believe he's going to go out there on a weekly basis and have success (Esp when half of the receivers are injured/inactive) They have a handful of plays designed for him and that's about it. They need to stop running him up the middle on 1st/2nd downs IMO as well. He's one of those players who benefit when the defense has higher priority threats to cover.

Wright - He is not a healthy Gronk and he is not Jimmy Graham, I think he needs to be involved in the game plan more but just like LaFell we need to see more and also can be a good option if Gronk goes down. He NEEDS to keep developing, it will be key for us.

A FB doesn't stretch the field, you might as well just send Vareen to the flat and maybe he can break loose. But it's good to have a FB who has that ability, I agree.



But that is the problem, Amendola ISN'T and hasn't been producing for over a season now on this team. Gronk also is not healthy. There are a lot of ifs in there.



I agree, Dobson has to be injured otherwise I see no reason for him not to be active. You're right, Dobson needs to be on this team ATM.




Ok, we are not paying Amendola to be Edelman's back up. This guy was suppose to come in and make a difference from the start especially considering he worked with McDaniels before. What makes you think if Edelman went down that he would be able to come and run those routes and be as efficient as Edelman? I think you are undervaluing Edelman, or overrating Amendola. He has done nothing in the NFL to prove he was worth the contract he received. There is no way I'm buying he can just take over Edelmans role if he were to go down. Like I said earlier, I really do believe he is getting this much play time right now because there are no other options. The tape doesn't lie, he is slow and has no physical side to him.




I agree, if hes not worth activating if he's healthy then he has no reason to be on the 53. I think he has value, but he needs to see the field.




Tyms had a good preseason, I know it's just preseason but his number was called and he provided nice results. What has he done not worth the chance? Boyce has seen NFL play, and the Patriots apparently didn't like much of it. Boyce was cut as well this offseason, it just goes to show how highly they think of him. Sure he was brought back, but I don't know, it doesn't seem like they really care much if a team would of picked him up.


Amendola has shown nothing since last season that would make me say "keep him on this roster". He has almost no value, you never know until you try with Tyms. Even if he fails, what does that really change if he takes DA's spot? He could be the spark this offense needs while everyone else continues to get healthy. What are we going to do? Keep getting completely shut down on offense / lose games just because we're afraid Edelman may go down and absolutely need the unproven DA in his spot?
A few further comments

LAFELL
I don't need to see more to know that LaFell can be a productive receiver for us. He should be the #4 target after Edelman, Gronk, and someone else. That role is 2-6 catches a game. He wasn't hired to be our go-to wide receiver. He was hired to be part of a bigger picture, including the two top WR's, Gronk and Vereen. And yes, Vereen is an important part of the passing game (more catches than runs last year).

AMENDOLA
Do I think that Amendola would produce what Edelman does if Edelman goes down? Of course not. However, if Edelman goes down, I would rather have Amendola in the slot that anyone else we have. If we didn't have Amendola, we'd probably hire a street free agent like Collie last year. If Edelman went down, I'd expect 4-6 catches a game in the slot from DA. The issue is that he is overpaid, and is NOT the answer at WR2. But this doesn't really matter. I don't think that DA will be cut. And I don't think his being on the roster will cause us not to have a real #2 WR.

DOBSON IS OUR #2, WHO IS DOBSON's BACKUP?
Josh's answer for now is Amendola (actually a bit of juggling with Amendola as one of our 3 WR's). It just doesn't seem to be working out.

My answer is for backup downfield WR is Thompkins. I'm fine with Josh choosing Boyce or Tyms, although I would be disappointed. In any case, I would just like to see SOMEONE active as our #2 receiver. I've seen Thompkins stretch the field in actual games. Even an occasional interception won't matter so many yards down the field. We need someone! No quarterback is doing worse in the long game than Brady! Now, please understand that Brady can succeed with being mediocre in the long game. Brady can give us a #1-3 passing offense without many long passes. HOWEVER, the long ball cannot be non-existent. The opposing defenses will continue to cheat and play 9 close to the LOS.
 
LAFELL
I don't need to see more to know that LaFell can be a productive receiver for us. He should be the #4 target after Edelman, Gronk, and someone else. That role is 2-6 catches a game. He wasn't hired to be our go-to wide receiver. He was hired to be part of a bigger picture, including the two top WR's, Gronk and Vereen. And yes, Vereen is an important part of the passing game (more catches than runs last year).

Well there are questions about LaFell not being on the same page, I'm happy about the spike in his activity though. The first 2 games he had 0 targets combined, he went 4-8 for 46 yards vs Oakland and 6-10 for 119 with 1 TD vs Chiefs. I hope he can keep improving and get this offense down, I'm not expecting big time numbers from him but I think he needs to be efficient for this offense this year.

Vareen can't succeed with inactives though, right now when Vareen comes into the game you know Brady is going to be looking for him. He's not a big guy, he can be stopped, and they can keep an eye on him easily when Dobson/Thompkins aren't in there.

AMENDOLA
Do I think that Amendola would produce what Edelman does if Edelman goes down? Of course not. However, if Edelman goes down, I would rather have Amendola in the slot that anyone else we have. If we didn't have Amendola, we'd probably hire a street free agent like Collie last year. If Edelman went down, I'd expect 4-6 catches a game in the slot from DA. The issue is that he is overpaid, and is NOT the answer at WR2. But this doesn't really matter. I don't think that DA will be cut. And I don't think his being on the roster will cause us not to have a real #2 WR.

If Amendola is going to be on this team then he should only see the field in the red area. Spread them out, have LaFell pick, and have DA cross to the outside and see if he can pick up some yards or even a TD. This guy should NOT be working the middle of the field as he is not strong enough nor fast enough and he should not be on the field at any time other than in the red area. This is when Thompkins/Dobson are not scratches anymore and are actually playing.


My answer is for backup downfield WR is Thompkins. I'm fine with Josh choosing Boyce or Tyms, although I would be disappointed. In any case, I would just like to see SOMEONE active as our #2 receiver. I've seen Thompkins stretch the field in actual games. Even an occasional interception won't matter so many yards down the field. We need someone! No quarterback is doing worse in the long game than Brady! Now, please understand that Brady can succeed with being mediocre in the long game. Brady can give us a #1-3 passing offense without many long passes. HOWEVER, the long ball cannot be non-existent. The opposing defenses will continue to cheat and play 9 close to the LOS.

You're right, we do need someone to stretch the field. Tyms can possibly bring that if given the chance. I don't think Boyce is the answer at this point. We don't know what the issue is with Thompkins as of right now, I would love to see him in there though.
 
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Side note: Danny Amendola looked lean last year. Is it just me or a funny camera angle because he looks like he has gained some weight?
 
Amendola is Mr. All Wrong this season....the highlight of the Monday Night game for him was the 15 yard unsportsmanlike he drew in the 2nd half.
 
Welp with the recent reports of immaturity issues keeping Dobson off the field, it seems as though Tyms could have a pretty good shot at being kept. Since his first preseason game he has been constantly talking about how fortunate he is to be playing for the Pats and living his NFL dream and it does not appear that immaturity is an issue for him in the least. Combine that with his possible skills and the fact that he would be Dobson's direct competition, and it would make a lot of sense to keep both guys to compete against one another, raising the level of play of both and hopefully shore up any maturity issues.
 
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