The Tom Brady Thread

For 15 years have been watching Brady making chicken salad out of chicken shyt....

Have noticed for a while now a skill set drop off, noticed it part of last year and more evident this year... a major issue for Brady is his immobility, and teams are focusing on that more and more.

There is plenty of blame to go around, but Brady is not the Brady of old... he is one of the many factors that led to the loss last night.

one visual speaks more words than 1000 words.. damn. never in his mind or our collective minds, we ever remotely imagined that his last few years will wind down like this !!

BB, KRAFT, are you listening ? DO SOMETHING NOW

Brady headlined on Drudge Report....."Brady Benched".......its a cruel world with a short memory

Reiss reports...."Brady completed just one of seven passes more than 10 yards down the field Monday and has now connected on a league-low 32 percent of such passes. Furthermore, according to ESPN's Stats & Information, Brady's off-target percentage (25.5) is second highest among quarterbacks to start every game this season and is four percentage points higher than he's had any season since 2006, when ESPN began tracking that data. "

There's little doubt we're witnessing a train wreck in slow motion. Brady's (eventual) replacement is on the roster and he knows it. I have no idea how this will end but very likely it will be badly. The contract is so complicated I have no idea if he's even tradeable (Miguel's page says no ($18M cap hit if cut or traded) but who knows what could be worked out with the numbers.

Regardless, I think Brady feels slighted by using a high pick on a QB and not giving him the WR/OL he wants (the demise of the TE was just sad). And it's tough to see a 180 from here.

BelichickFan said:

The contract is so complicated I have no idea if he's even tradeable (Miguel's page says no ($18M cap hit if cut or traded) but who knows what could be worked out with the numbers.

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Lets entertain for a post the ridiculous premise that we want to trade Brady away. Nobody will give you a first or second rounder for a 37 year old QB who supposedly is in decline. No other team would be so stupid.

Realistically, the only ways that Brady will not be the QB of the New England Patriots until the end of his contract is that either he decides to hang it up or gets injured.

luuked said:

Lets entertain for a post the ridiculous premise that we want to trade Brady away. Nobody will give you a first or second rounder for a 37 year old QB who supposedly is in decline. No other team would be so stupid.

Realistically, the only ways that Brady will not be the QB of the New England Patriots until the end of his contract is that either he decides to hang it up or gets injured.

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if the pats don't make the playoffs with brady starting this year, he will not be on the roster next season.......the team will move on as all teams with old QB's do when the team as well as the QB drops off.......there is no point in paying a QB all that money to not be in the playoffs

If BB really felt it was time to make a move with Brady then we will know and quickly. There would be no "sabotage" or any of the other conspiracy theories that I've been reading about. Just ask Bernie Kosar, Drew Bledsoe, Randy Moss, Lawyer Milloy, Richard Seymour and Logan Mankins.

Only chance it happens this year is if BB decided to punt on the 2014 season and go for a high pick next April.

Well it's morning and I don't feel much better or different. I don't see the purpose of humiliating Brady this year and 2015 during his decline with this laughable OL/WR group.

I said in May that Jimmy G could beat out Brady in 2016. This is a realistic possibility next year.

Brady's untradeable with his contract. If he was willing to rework it to move him to San Fran or Arizona, it would be great to see his career potentially end on a high note.

Still come to the same conclusion: The end of Brady's career will be a trainwreck if he continues to be the QB of this team. This just looks like it is going to end ugly.

Archeryaddict12 said:

Brady isn't the problem. It's the coaches. The coaches don't want Tom here. Is plain and simple now.

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I am sorry, but that is ridiculous. So your theory is they are not going to give Brady weapons so it makes Brady look bad so they can get rid of him next year? So what happens when they start an inexperienced QB like Garappolo with the same talent around him?

This thread is interesting compared to all of the Chicken Little Threads out there, for folks to acknowledge his decline is compelling conversation...

Mr. Kraft and BB will let him walk away with his dignity, the only impediment is his own ego.. which is the demise of many men....

I also project that he will be associated with this franchise after retirement, and will be part of the FO in some undefined role....Mr. Kraft owes #12 quite a bit, and he is no fool.

IllegalContact said:

if the pats don't make the playoffs with brady starting this year, he will not be on the roster next season.......the team will move on as all teams with old QB's do when the team as well as the QB drops off.......there is no point in paying a QB all that money to not be in the playoffs

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His contract makes this impossible.

Just look the numbers up on Miguels page. Retirement is the only option for Brady to not be the QB next year.

luuked said:

His contract makes this impossible.

Just look the numbers up on Miguels page. Retirement is the only option for Brady to not be the QB next year.

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well then, if his skills are indeed diminished, we can see how this separation is likely to go.......

I think the pats will get better as the season goes along, they will make the playoffs, and then he could well hang them up

sb1 said:

If BB really felt it was time to make a move with Brady then we will know and quickly. There would be no "sabotage" or any of the other conspiracy theories that I've been reading about. Just ask Bernie Kosar, Drew Bledsoe, Randy Moss, Lawyer Milloy, Richard Seymour and Logan Mankins.

Only chance it happens this year is if BB decided to punt on the 2014 season and go for a high pick next April.

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There is no way we are "punting" 2014 when we paid Revis all that money specifically for this year.

This game looked awful, but I'm not giving up yet. To me, last night was a coaching/gameplanning abomination. We still have talented players. And as far as I'm concerned BB is still a great coach. He'll need to coach up his coordinators is the first task at hand.

We can be balanced but the combination of age, declining skill set, porous protection, scheme and personnel have lead to one conclusion.

That sounds we all heard was Brady's Window of Opportunity (WOW) slamming shut. Pity, four Superbowls would have been sweet...

That was a team loss. Brady contributed his share, but the whole team decided to lie down and die last night.

Tom Brady's rate stats from 2010 through 2014. Folks, this is not pretty.

2010 (age 33): 65.9%, 7.9 ypa, 9.0 aypa, 7.3 td%, 0.8 int%, 111.0 rating
2011 (age 34): 65.6%, 8.6 ypa, 9.0 aypa, 6.4 td%, 2.0 int%, 105.6 rating
2012 (age 35): 63.0%, 7.6 ypa, 8.1 aypa, 5.3 td%, 1.3 int%, 98.7 rating
2013 (age 36): 60.5%, 6.9 ypa, 6.9 aypa, 4.0 td%, 1.8 int%, 87.3 rating
2014 (age 37): 59.1%, 5.8 ypa, 5.7 aypa, 2.9 td%, 1.5 int%, 79.1 rating

We can talk all we want about the O-line, the lack of weapons, the play-calling, whatever. All fair game. But this is a large enough sample size to now draw an unmistakable conclusion: Tom Brady is not *TOM BRADY* anymore.

Now, keep in mind that his peak was insanely high, and he could decline a long way and still be plenty good enough to win a Super Bowl. So I'm not saying he's done or that he should retire or be traded or cut or anything like that. But clearly he is not the player he once was. Clearly.

And because of this reality, I think the offense needs to reflect this. Go back to an early 2000s model: power running, and short-controlled passing. Be efficient, play turnover-free football. It isn't spectacular, and it doesn't result in Madden-like numbers, but I think it's the most effective way to go at this point in Brady's career.

BelichickFan said:

There's little doubt we're witnessing a train wreck in slow motion. Brady's (eventual) replacement is on the roster and he knows it. I have no idea how this will end but very likely it will be badly. The contract is so complicated I have no idea if he's even tradeable (Miguel's page says no ($18M cap hit if cut or traded) but who knows what could be worked out with the numbers.

Regardless, I think Brady feels slighted by using a high pick on a QB and not giving him the WR/OL he wants (the demise of the TE was just sad). And it's tough to see a 180 from here.

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As near as I can tell, trading him would be unwonderful, but certainly possible. His cap figure in 2015 would be $18M ($6M bonus prorations for '15, '16, and '17) instead of $13M ($6M bonus proration for '15 + $7M salary), so it would cost the Pats $5M in cap space next season. The effects on this season, at this point, would be relatively minimal.

luuked said:

Lets entertain for a post the ridiculous premise that we want to trade Brady away. Nobody will give you a first or second rounder for a 37 year old QB who supposedly is in decline. No other team would be so stupid.

Realistically, the only ways that Brady will not be the QB of the New England Patriots until the end of his contract is that either he decides to hang it up or gets injured.

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It didn't help that he hasn't had nearly as much talent around him this year and last as he did the six before. Even at 37, if you think that he's the missing piece—you've got everything else you need to succeed—he's worth a first. Especially given how small his contract is over the next three years.

edkk323 said:

Slater, the Team MVP , who would thought of that

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I might be the only person on the planet who owns a Slater jersey (courtesy of China), so I can't be too unhappy with this.

I wasn't as down on Brady's weapons as many, since the true #1 is still working his way back from injury and Edelman and LaFell have looked great to good. After that, though, the cupboard looks empty. Ridley is a fine running back but adds nothing in the passing game, while Vereen - after a few good showings last season - seems to have proven a pretty poor successor to Woodhead and Faulk. Dobson appears to be almost on board the Chad Jackson train, Amendola is totally invisible, and while Thompkins has played well in the games he hasn't been a healthy scratch, he's been a healthy scratch twice. Tim Wright is similarly invisible, though the late acquisition excuses him.

I'm beginning to buy the "offense is way too complicated" argument. The number of talented players who have failed in this system is piling up. It can't just be poor personnel management.