The Tom Brady Thread

Just got back from the game. Ill try and summarize my thoughts and post them in the post game thread..

1. Arrowhead was INCREDIBLY loud. Only way I can describe it is go sit by the scoreboard at a basketball game and try to hear the guy next to you when the horn goes. I couldn't hear the people right next to me.

2. The OLine got worse. The strip sack happened right in front of me and Solder flat out got beat off the snap and whiffed. There were ZERO running lanes for RBs tonight. Constantly hit in the back field.

3.When Vereen wasn't hit in the backfield, he was SOO timid. Never hit the hole hard. He looked bad

4. Gronk looks slowed a bit, but was constantly bracketed and chipped at the line. That TD was in front of my section and was damn impressive. Took on three guys, but I was scared when the brace popped off his arm. Tim Wright, why did we trade for him? He rarely played and gave up our vet on the line and captain

5. WRs: I've said it before , I'll say it again. LaFell was a bright spot due to two missed tackles. Edelman was blanketed all night. Amendola.... BB let his ego get in the way of resigning Welker, who could get open quick.

6. TB12 was not good. Hard to fault him for his play when he constantly is bumped, pushed, or has a lineman in his face. As I said before, no way he could communicate. Multiple pass plays where a WR stayed in to block. No run game means the DEs can pin their ears back. The interior line is bad which pushes Tom back into the DEs running circles around Vollmer and Solder. TB had no chance on the strip and the last pick I truly believe was him just trying to fit a ball in and make something happen.

7. Defense was atrocious. BB bend but don't break will struggle vs Manning and Smith type QBs who will take what you give them. Smith consistently hit check downs and slants. Btw, BB great job playing zone and getting picked apart, then having Revis play man(rarely) and give cushion. This ISNT how Revis made his $$. The game plan obviously sucked, McDaniels sucked, BB sucked

SVN said:

Well..it certainly is more provable using BB's history of trading players than the theory that he is being secretly and diabolically phased out at the cost of losing games and an entire season. You cant prove that either but its a more juicy story so you listen to it.

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Lol. I'm not buying the "phasing out" story either. I just don't think it's easy to trade players like Brady as soon as you don't want them.

TB did not play well in all four games.

In the Oakland game, The O played a play action and had the D fooled, the guard striped himself and fell down. TB saw a ghost and threw a incompletion to wide open Gronk.

2nd and 2 to go and the team could not even find a lineman to run behind. TB rolled out and threw a incompletion.

The Oline ? The play calling? I do not know. I hated Josh D since the first play of 07 SB when we ran a double reverse fake and TB was sacked. It really set the tune for that game.

how many times did we see the Pats ran it three times and threw it three times and did get the first down

Belichick chuckles when asked about a QB controversy. Obviously it's a sign that he's hiding a massive cover up and is purposely sabotaging the team

http://nesn.com/2014/09/bill-belichick-right-to-laugh-off-qb-controversy-after-tom-bradys-struggles/

http://www.snappytv.com/snaps/tom-b...bout-fox-sports-live-on-fox-sports-1_vt/47177 glazer is talking sense into mcnabb.

supafly said:

Belichick chuckles when asked about a QB controversy. Obviously it's a sign that he's hiding a massive cover up and is purposely sabotaging the team

http://nesn.com/2014/09/bill-belichick-right-to-laugh-off-qb-controversy-after-tom-bradys-struggles/

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Belichick isn't sabotaging Brady. It's absurd to think that. What he and his coaching staff are doing by not putting the players in positions to succeed is far worse.

I'm not giving up on this team but the Patriots are delusional if they don't see the systematic failure coming their way if things don't change. Tonight, at the very least, they took a small step in the right direction with the OL. Growing pains sure, but they were better with Stork playing CE for mine.

ausbacker said:

Belichick isn't sabotaging Brady. It's absurd to think that. What he and his coaching staff are doing by not putting the players in positions to succeed is far worse.

I'm not giving up on this team but the Patriots are delusional if they don't see the systematic failure coming their way if things don't change. Tonight, at the very least, they took a small step in the right direction with the OL. Growing pains sure, but they were better with Stork playing CE for mine.

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I don't know about you, but I've also seen some bad technique from the players as well.

We've seen some shaky play/DPI/hands to the face calls from Logan Ryan (who was benched). We've seen Hightower have trouble covering the TEs/RBs, as good as he's looked in many other areas.

Revis looks like any other CB to me, although that's partially due to scheme. That said, the articles that I read last week stated that only ONE of his completions were due to zone coverage, and the other 4 coming in man coverage--but I think overall he's definitely not being placed in a good situation to succeed, such as tonight. Isn't he supposed to be stopping the opposition's #1 WR, or shutting down some of the field or something? Scaring away rookie QBs in their 3rd career start on the road?

I've also seen horrible core fundamentals such as tackling, etc. How many missed tackles were just from tonight? I'd be interested in knowing that.

No pressure on the QB, defensively. Mediocre QB play offensively. Vereen hitting the holes very timidly, etc, etc, etc.

I think it's a bit of both coaching and poor fundamentals.

Everyone but Slater sucks right now, and that includes Brady. The coaching and play-calling definitely suck. But I have no doubt there will come a point in this season that Brady turns it around, even if the coaching doesn't. I have more faith in Brady to right this ship than any other person in the organization. Brady just needs to make sure he doesn't fall into the defeated attitude he's been showing on the field.

Slater, the Team MVP , who would thought of that

Brady is far down the list on things wrong with the offense.

supafly said:

I don't know about you, but I've also seen some bad technique from the players as well.

We've seen some shaky play/DPI/hands to the face calls from Logan Ryan (who was benched). We've seen Hightower have trouble covering the TEs/RBs, as good as he's looked in many other areas.

Revis looks like any other CB to me, although that's partially due to scheme. That said, the articles that I read last week stated that only ONE of his completions were due to zone coverage, and the other 4 coming in man coverage--but I think overall he's definitely not being placed in a good situation to succeed, such as tonight. Isn't he supposed to be stopping the opposition's #1 WR, or shutting down some of the field or something? Scaring away rookie QBs in their 3rd career start on the road?

I've also seen horrible core fundamentals such as tackling, etc. How many missed tackles were just from tonight? I'd be interested in knowing that.

No pressure on the QB, defensively. Mediocre QB play offensively. Vereen hitting the holes very timidly, etc, etc, etc.

I think it's a bit of both coaching and poor fundamentals.

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Whilst I agree the players aren't performing to expectation, for mine, it's more on the coaches than the players. The same issues that have plagued the Patriots for years continue to rear their ugly heads. That's systematic given the turnover of players.

ausbacker said:

Whilst I agree the players aren't performing to expectation, for mine, it's more on the coaches than the players. The same issues that have plagued the Patriots for years continue to rear their ugly heads. That's systematic given the turnover of players.

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I'm certainly disappointed in the failure to address certain aspects, as well as the poor drafting of certain key areas that are also high draft picks. I also did not care for the timing of the Mankins trade. I believe some of these late summer moves (trading Seymour, trading Mankins, acquisition of Haynesworth, trade for Ochocinco) have been terrible.

The play calling on offense is starting to piss me off as well. We see Ridley run for a 7 yard gain on first down, then see failed passes on the next two plays that leads to a crucial stalling of the drive, with only 3 yds needed for a first down.

The passive defensive scheme (overall) has also been quite frustrating. Revis is going to not only look bad in that kind of system, but he's going to be a waste of money and talent as well. Needless to say, I doubt he will want to stay if this continues--although money talks. I don't believe it's a good fit for either party unless they are going to take advantage of his strengths more. I know we saw a good performance vs MIN and OAK, but those are likely the 2 worst teams in the league, so that offsets some of the success in my opinion.

Brady is the least of our problems I guarantee you that

Brady has been mediocre this year and for the most part I thought the pass blocking tonight was good enough. He is in a slump and I could forgive pretty much all of it except his refusal to run for that first down. I have seen Brady refuse to run throughout the years in short yardage situations but this one was a little different because he actually started to go and then changed his mind for no reason. At that moment is when I feared we were going to lose the game.

If this continues, we should seriously consider adopting the Flacco just throw it up 50 yards down the field offense. Have our fastest guy, probably Slater, go deep three plays in a row and have him really fight for it and it will probably draw a flag on one of the attempts.

The weirdest thing about our offense is our oline seems to be content when they are beat. For example, I honestly feel we would be much better off if Solder held or even tackled someone instead of allowing a clean strip sack. Where are the cutblocks?

Archeryaddict12 said:

Words are words. Actions speak louder then words. It's over for Brady in foxborough. I can't believe a team would run a player out like this. Its a business and a very filthy, business move. Disgusting.

You know how much hate bb would get for trading Tom. Bb needs an excuse to get rid of Tom. That's either through injury or making his numbers really bad so he can "insert" garappolo.

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You've said this five times in the span of your five messages in this thread.

Is there at least some possibility that it's correct? Sure. But saying it over and over again doesn't make it any more likely to be true, except in your mind.

TB has done alot to help BB make this team competitive but has been crapped on. He has left money on the table so BB can get some real WR's and he gets nothing but crap players. If I was TB I would be pissed that I have been saddled with such a horrible offense when I left money for you to get me players to throw to. BB has taken TB for granted

When your QB is struggling and you have 4 RBs vs a suspect run defense, you run the ball. They switched to this formula last yr. Dont know why they didnt do it today.

The most tragic irony in all of sports history.

The Patriots GOAT quarterback, who has been masking all of New England's problems for years, now has to take all the heat for them when he just no longer can all by himself.

Brady's career will end as Shakespearean as it began, only for utterly different reasons

Archeryaddict12 said:

Why do you only activate 4 wr's and 1 is perfectly healthy. The staff and bb don't want Tom. Plain and simple. Seriously look at the context. Bb wants a Bledsoe moment as someone mentioned. To take the heat off of him and his decision because, whoops Tom got hurt. It's over for Brady in NE, and isn't because of his talent. Brady is still the top QB, but he isn't wanted here.

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Oh, come on!!!!! You are claiming that the coaches are trying to get Brady injured, which is beyond stupid.

Ironman44 said:

Brady is far down the list on things wrong with the offense.

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If Geno Smith had 2 interceptions (both on horrible throws) and two fumbles, I don't think we'd say that he is far down the list of things wrong with the offense. We can argue about why, but Brady is rattled in the pocket and making terrible throws. You don't win many games with four turnovers from your starting QB.

Edelman made the right read on the INT down the left sideline. Step for step with the corner with safety help over the top. The back shoulder throw was the only conceivable completion. Where Brady threw the ball was a guaranteed pick.