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Earlier this week, I saw a thread with some comments regarding the WR corps, and how the Patriots have yet to adress this problems in the draft, free agency or via trade. So I did a quick analysis on our roster, and compared it to the rest of the league. Here is what I found out:

1) NE is the only team in the NFL w/out an skill offensive player formerly drafted in the 1st round, regardless of the way a team obtained this player (draft, trade, free agency).

2) NE is tied in the NFL (OAK, D. McFadden) for fewest 1st round picks on offense currently on their rosters (LT Nate Solder).

3) NE's last 1st rnd pick used in a WR was in 1996 (Terry Glenn). Every other team has drafted 1+ WR in the 1st rnd in the 2000s.

4) Average pick for our offensive players (excluding UDFA): 111th (mid-4th rnd pick). Even if we exclude Brady, the number drops to 105th. 3rd highest (lower means better; closer to 1st pick) in the AFC, right after Texans and Raiders.

5) Average pick for our TE, WR and RB (excluding UDFA): 116th (mid-4th rnd pick). 6th highest in the AFC. Curiously, the entire AFC East leads the chart after the Raiders and Browns.

Just for comparison, Peyton Manning has played with 9 different TE/RB/WR, former 1st rnd picks, and has played with at least TWO each year of his career (until this year, with Moreno going to MIA; you can see their running game struggling, as we realize he was grossly underrated by DEN fans). 1st rounders like Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark and Demaryius Thomas have played along him.
On the other hand, Tom Brady has played with 6, with his biggest year coming when he played with Randy Moss. Apart from them, you get TEs Daniel Graham, Ben Watson and Kyle Brady. Not so sure why so many TEs rather than getting some WRs. He has played with none since 2009.

If you combine the total seasons each of these 9 players played with Manning, you get 48 total seasons.
For Brady, 16 total seasons.

What looks to be a very poor cast around Brady because of the way this season has unfolded, certainly shows in paper when it comes to how this team has got him any help.

Draft positions might be overrated when it comes to evaluating a player's talent, but this is probably the best way to address your team needs. If not, then get some help at the free agency, or via trade.

I still think Brady has a share on the offensive struggles over the last 2 seasons, but not most of it.

Thoughts?

Sources: pro-football-reference.com
 
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So, a better long range plan (than attempting to be competitive every season) would be that the Patriots should tank every few years, so that they can then be set up with earlier draft picks the following season?

Or the Pats should sign more former first round picks that don't get an offer for a new contract or extension from their original team?
 
Earlier this week, I saw a thread with some comments regarding the WR corps, and how the Patriots have yet to adress this problems in the draft, free agency or via trade. So I did a quick analysis on our roster, and compared it to the rest of the league. Here is what I found out:

1) NE is the only team in the NFL w/out an skill offensive player formerly drafted in the 1st round, regardless of the way a team obtained this player (draft, trade, free agency).

2) NE is tied in the NFL (OAK, D. McFadden) for fewest 1st round picks on offense currently on their rosters (LT Nate Solder).

3) NE's last 1st rnd pick used in a WR was in 1996 (Terry Glenn). Every other team has drafted 1+ WR in the 1st rnd in the 2000s.

4) Average pick for our offensive players (excluding UDFA): 111th (mid-4th rnd pick). Even if we exclude Brady, the number drops to 105th. 3rd highest (lower means better; closer to 1st pick) in the AFC, right after Texans and Raiders.

5) Average pick for our TE, WR and RB (excluding UDFA): 116th (mid-4th rnd pick). 6th highest in the AFC. Curiously, the entire AFC East leads the chart after the Raiders and Browns.

Just for comparison, Peyton Manning has played with 9 different TE/RB/WR, former 1st rnd picks, and has played with at least TWO each year of his career (until this year, with Moreno going to MIA; you can see their running game struggling, as we realize he was grossly underrated by DEN fans). 1st rounders like Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark and Demaryius Thomas have played along him.
On the other hand, Tom Brady has played with 6, with his biggest year coming when he played with Randy Moss. Apart from them, you get TEs Daniel Graham, Ben Watson and Kyle Brady. Not so sure why so many TEs rather than getting some WRs. He has played with none since 2009.

If you combine the total seasons each of these 9 players played with Manning, you get 48 total seasons.
For Brady, 16 total seasons.

What looks to be a very poor cast around Brady because of the way this season has unfolded, certainly shows in paper when it comes to how this team has got him any help.

Draft positions might be overrated when it comes to evaluating a player's talent, but this is probably the best way to address your team needs. If not, then get some help at the free agency, or via trade.

I still think Brady has a share on the offensive struggles over the last 2 seasons, but not most of it.

Thoughts?

Sources: pro-football-reference.com
THOUGHTS
For the last many years, we have had one of the top 5 offenses in the NFL.
 
i appreciate brady even more.
like young said, nobody does more with less. name another all time great who was surrounded by **** receivers?
 
So, a better long range plan (than attempting to be competitive every season) would be that the Patriots should tank every few years, so that they can then be set up with earlier draft picks the following season?

Or the Pats should sign more former first round picks that don't get an offer for a new contract or extension from their original team?


They could
  • Use the first round picks more evenly
  • Do less bargain hunting in free agency
That would be a start.


Seriously, are you really going to defend the makeup of this offense?
 
THOUGHTS
For the last many years, we have had one of the top 5 offenses in the NFL.
In fact, the best 3-year peak (10-12) in the history of the NFL. You can cover some deficiencies with a great, HOF QB plus great coaching.
 
Seriously, are you really going to defend the makeup of this offense?
No, I was doing no such thing.

But thanks so much for stuffing words in my mouth. So tasty...
 
No, but thanks so much for stuffing words in my mouth. So tasty...

Come on, now. I wasn't stuffing words anymore than you did with your post responding to the op:

So, a better long range plan (than attempting to be competitive every season) would be that the Patriots should tank every few years, so that they can then be set up with earlier draft picks the following season?

Or the Pats should sign more former first round picks that don't get an offer for a new contract or extension from their original team?
 
In fact, the best 3-year peak (10-12) in the history of the NFL. You can cover some deficiencies with a great, HOF QB plus great coaching.
The fact is that we have been able to have a top offense without using very many top draft picks on the offense.

On the other hand, the defense has received top draft choices and could be a top defense. If that becomes the case, we will have a great chance in the off-season.

I do NOT believe that the patriots would be a better team if we used more 1st and 2nd round picks on offense rather than defense. I wouldn't rather have round 1 or 2 wide receiver and guard instead of Jones and Hightower. This is just second guessing.

It is what it is. Belichick has chose to use more draft resources on defense than offense. I'm sure that a lot of OL's have better than a #1, #2, #4, #4 and an UDFA. However, look at our front seven. That is where Belichick uses his draft resources.

So, if the choice is to use top draft choices on the defensive front seven or on the interior linemen and wide receivers. I think that Belichick has chosen rightly.
 
Come on, now. I wasn't stuffing words anymore than you did with your post responding to the op:
You may want to re-read what the OP wrote, as well as my response.

The Pats' offense stinks right now, I'm not saying or implying anything different.

New England has had the latest initial draft position of any NFL team since Brady became the starting QB.

Therefore, regarding bullet numbers one, two and three, I'm not sure why it is a surprise that they have fewer first rounders on the roster than other teams, and that's before considering (a) one was lost to an over zealous commissioner, and (b) twice in recent years the Pats have traded down from a late first-round slot to pick up an extra draft pick. (What they did with those picks is another story; that is a separate topic being debated in another thread.)

It's also worth noting that the problem with the club over the last few years has been the defense, not the offense. Considering that fact, is it really surprising that more draft picks were used on that side of the ball?
 
Seriously, the "second guessing" and "hindsight" postings should result in some kind of penalty. They simply don't apply to message boards that have been talking about the things being called "second guessing" and "hindsight" for years.
 
You may want to re-read what the OP wrote, as well as my response.

The Pats' offense stinks right now, I'm not saying or implying anything different.

New England has had the latest initial draft position of any NFL team since Brady became the starting QB.

Therefore, regarding bullet numbers one, two and three, I'm not sure why it is a surprise that they have fewer first rounders on the roster than other teams, and that's before considering (a) one was lost to an over zealous commissioner, and (b) twice in recent years the Pats have traded down from a late first-round slot to pick up an extra draft pick.

I read what you wrote twice before I responded to it. I read it again before I hit post reply. I then read it again in response to your response to my post.

They have fewer first rounders because they've focused on defense in round one, they traded away their other first rounder (Mankins) just before the season began, and they tend to go cheap in free agency, which doesn't usually mean signing successful first round players. This isn't rocket science.

Since Wilfork is the longest term Patriots first rounder left on the roster, let's start there.

Offensive 1st round picks: Mankins, Maroney, Solder
Defensive 1st round picks: Wilfork, Meriweather, Mayo, McCourty, Hightower, Jones, Easley

7:3 in favor of the defense, and it's 6 of the last 7.

It starts right there.
 
2013 Offense: 3rd in points, 7th in yards
2013 Defense: 10th in points, 26th in yards

2012 Offense: 1st in points, 1st in yards
2012 Defense: 9th in points, 25th in yards

2011 Offense: 3rd in points, 2nd in yards
2011 Defense: 15th in points, 31st in yards

2010 Offense: 1st in points, 8th in yards
2010 Defense: 8th in points, 25th in yards

2009 Offense: 6th in points, 3rd in yards
2009 Defense: 5th in points, 11th in yards

2008 Offense: 8th in points, 5th in yards
2008 Defense: 8th in points, 10th in yards

2007 Offense: 1st in points, 1st in yards
2007 Defense: 4th in points, 4th in yards



Considering the trend, it seems that expending more early draft picks on defense than on offense was the logical decision. Also, let's not forget that in 2007, 2nd and 4th round picks were utilized on the offense (Welker and Moss).
 
Considering the trend, it seems that expending more early draft picks on defense than on offense was the logical decision. Also, let's not forget that in 2007, 2nd and 4th round picks were utilized on the offense (Welker and Moss).

The facts are the facts. The offense has just one first rounder on it. The defense has Wilfork, Jones, Hightower, Mayo, Revis, McCourty and Easley, and any I may be missing.

Looking at the draft discrepancy, it gets even worse when you add in the second rounders and don't count the obvious, in JAG, because that's slanted 9:4 in favor of the defense. Spending all your high round draft capital on defense is fine if you get the offense right in other ways and you get the defense fixed. Had they kept Welker, Mankins and Lloyd, or kept Welker and Mankins and brought in free agent outside receiver, or otherwise adequately replaced departing players, this wouldn't be an issue. But, they didn't, at least to this point.

Things work until they don't.
 
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