Steve Young just nailed it (Brady doing more, with less help)

Brady was asking for that cutting remark when he was quoted as saying that. Reminds me of how he whined about someone predicting the Patriots winning the 07 SB 20-17, and Brady went, "lol, I would think our offense will score more points than that!" Then they lost 17-14.

This thread lost all credibility the moment you decided to say "dropping facts" instead of "sharing opinions." Get a brain, or should I say "pick up some facts?"

WhoaDirty said:

Regardless of the cash spending part, do they still not have to fit under the allotted salary cap? I can only find 2013 totals, and their cap number was $110.5 mil/$123 mil.

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As Belichick himself has made abundantly clear, the cap is easily manipulated.

West Philly Patriot said:

It's amazing that any real patriot fan that has been watching this team fail to field a defense for 10 years that scared anyone can turn on Brady like this. It's not like he has Chicago's weaponry or Peyton's or even Cousins' in Washington and is stinking it up.

You all are mad that Brady can't destroy @ 37 with a garbage OLine, Edleman, a gimpy Gronk and Jags. While BB has tried year in and year out to fix the defense and still can't get off the field on 3rd down. Newsflash. The defense was this bad maybe worse the last 5 years or so. Nothing new here.

The last 2 Super Bowl runs we had, the defenses weren't great. Deus is 100% correct. It's not about Brady in a vacuum not about his Peyton comparison etc. The team's success was built on his back, now that he can't carry it the holes are being exposed. Simple.

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No one is turning on Brady. It's not like he had one bad game sandwiched in between a bunch of good/great ones, he's put together 4 below average/bad bad games now (not including last years AFCCG). No one is rooting for him to fail, it's just hard to say he isn't looking like he's declining at this point.

203Pat said:

No one is turning on Brady.

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Deus Irae said:

As Belichick himself has made abundantly clear, the cap is easily manipulated.

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So the answer to my question of: "Regardless of the cash spending part, do they still not have to fit under the allotted salary cap?" is Yes?

Deus Irae said:

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They are turning on him by stating the obvious? He doesn't look how he looked a few years ago? I am not saying he sucks and from what I have seen no one other than the trolls are.

WhoaDirty said:

So the answer to my question of: "Regardless of the cash spending part, do they still not have to fit under the allotted salary cap?" is Yes?

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The answer to your question is that the cap is easily manipulated and people fall for the myth. Again, go take a look at Miguel's discussion of it.

203Pat said:

No one is turning on Brady. It's not like he had one bad game sandwiched in between a bunch of good/great ones, he's put together 4 below average/bad bad games now (not including last years AFCCG). No one is rooting for him to fail, it's just hard to say he isn't looking like he's declining at this point.

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The problem is you aren't looking at the entire situation. What 37 year old QB could you insert to win in the circumstances. **** Oline, I guess that's somewhat important. **** receiving corps. **** defense. What are you expecting to happen?

You got so used to seeing a great offense compensate for an incomplete team its warping your perception a bit imo.

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You're talking out of your ass is what you're doing. And Tom did not win a SB with talent just as inferior. That's another load.

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Nope, yes he did and nope in that order.

You're entitled to your opinion even if it's wrong.

This idea that Brady has no weapons is BS. He has weapons. He and they aren't being used properly. Tonight was a PERFECT example. RUN the ball just about every time with Vereen. Pass the ball every time Ridley was on the field?? There were very few times they had extra protection in to help defend the pass.

The O-line is a work in progress. The fact that they were rotating players all around didn't allow them to get any continuity going. It was ridiculous. I didn't see Stork whiff on any 1 on 1, though I missed some plays while I was driving home. I have it recorded and will go back to look.

It sure looked to me like Tamba Hali was off-sides on the Brady sack/lost fumble. That being said, the interior didn't help Brady any on that play, getting pushed back so Brady had no where to go.

Brady was totally at fault for the 2nd Int. There is no way he should have attempted that pass. Amendola was bracketed by 3 guys..

I didn't get why on the 3rd and 3 with no one in front of him except LB 4 yards beyond the 1st down marker Brady didn't run it himself. He could have made it. Instead, he tries to force a pass to a receiver and it's a bad throw.

It's hard not to point to the change in O-line coaches as a big issue but DeGuiglielmo seems to be failing at his job despite having some pretty talented players in Cannon, Solder, Vollmer, Stork and Fleming and a
decent veteran in Connolly. DeGuglielmo was out of the NFL last year. Prior to that, the previous 4 years his O-lines gave up 47, 52, 38,24 sacks respectively. And the running games weren't that great either.

Deus Irae said:

2013 - The best slot WR in football is allowed to walk instead of being retained. A 50 catch receiver is pressured to take a pay cut from a reasonable salary, and tells the team to go pound sand. A china doll is brought in to replace the slot guy, and a pair of rookies, one of whom is a UDFA, end up as the team's starting WRs for a portion of the season.

2014 - Along with strong arming the leader of the defense into a huge contract revision, and doing the same with the team's second best DT, the team trades away its best offensive lineman just a few days before the season starts rather than paying him his contractually agreed upon salary.

Yeah, Brady shouldn't have any take on that sort of crap, because screw him. He's just a cog.


And people wonder why I despise the insane homers more than the insane haters?

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This times a million. Couldn't have said it any better, honestly.

Who the **** is Brady supposed to throw to? Amendola is useless, LaFell even though he made some plays today doesn't get open consistently, Gronk is an absolute SHELL of himself.

Letting Welker go may have been the single biggest mistake of the BB era.

sb1 said:

Nope, yes he did and nope in that order.

You're entitled to your opinion even if it's wrong.

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Mine's not. Yours is ridiculous. Then again, that's to be expected, given your first post.

0 Super Bowls with a worse O-line
0 Super Bowls with a worse receiver corps than the current group is showing

Not even close.

Deus Irae said:

The answer to your question is that the cap is easily manipulated and people fall for the myth. Again, go take a look at Miguel's discussion of it.

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There is an insane amount of information of Miguel's page. Could you link the relevant section for the uninitiated please? Or perhaps just answer my previous question with a yes or no answer?

Which SB team is this corp Better than and which Oline as well.

I'll wait.

sb1 said:

Nope, yes he did and nope in that order.

You're entitled to your opinion even if it's wrong.

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Red Sox fans out in full force tonight. You already have your ****ty boring baseball game to be miserable about. DIAF and FO.

BradyToAmendola said:

Who the **** is Brady supposed to throw to? Amendola is useless, LaFell even though he made some plays today doesn't get open consistently, Gronk is an absolute SHELL of himself.

Letting Welker go may have been the single biggest mistake of the BB era.

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As great as the YAC was on the Lafell grabs he didn't seperate for **** either time. Both required pinpoint passes. Neither were layups for Tom.

West Philly Patriot said:

The problem is you aren't looking at the entire situation. What 37 year old QB could you insert to win in the circumstances. **** Oline, I guess that's somewhat important. **** receiving corps. **** defense. What are you expecting to happen?

You got so used to seeing a great offense compensate for an incomplete team its warping your perception a bit imo.

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From what I have seen even when he has time or open guys he is still missing. The one play tonight when he had time and lobbed a bad incomplete pass, or last week with Gronk wide open on the drag route off the PA pass, or when he made a bad pass to Gronk in the end zone last week where he didn't lead him and Woodson almost had a pick (Gronk ended up dropping it or the deflection), or the over leading Amendola on the goal line.

BradyToAmendola said:

Who the **** is Brady supposed to throw to? Amendola is useless, LaFell even though he made some plays today doesn't get open consistently, Gronk is an absolute SHELL of himself.

Letting Welker go may have been the single biggest mistake of the BB era.

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It's becoming clear, bb doesn't want Tom. The staff doesn't want Tom, the organization doesn't want Tom and are taking a very disrespect able route. Guys the damage is being done. I hate to say it and as a conspiracy as it may seem, it has to be the truth. No way you game plan this bad. I am now hoping Tom Brady goes to a team that has the talent for him to succeed so he can win the championships he deserves.

Guys the writing is becoming clear. It sucks but its unfolding