Greg Bedard is going to have some good OL talk on 98.5 from 2-4 Tues 9/23

TheBostonStraggler · Sep 24, 2014

Jackson: "They hate their coach".
I don't know the truth of the unpopularity of our new OL coach, however, an unnamed source from a well known unreliable media?? I'll need more proof before I believe this......

shmessy · Sep 24, 2014

I remember seeing this earlier this summer and thinking "Oh, ****". This guy talks about himself a lot and seems more Rex Ryan-like than Belichick-like". Actually, he comes off very much like former Raider HC Tom Cable. So, yes, seems to be a VERY different style than Dante Scarnecchia.

One-on-one with Dave DeGuglielmo | Patriots.com - media center - videos

shmessy · Sep 24, 2014

Googling the Googe a bit more. Yup, there seems to be a pattern of bombast, talking about himself and publicly blaming others:

Are Dave DeGuglielmo, New York Jets parting ways? - NFL.com

"Renegade New York Jets offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo made waves in late November by proclaiming the decision to play former second-round draft pick Vladimir Ducasse was "a directive from high above me......

......Openly hostile and at times downright unprofessional with the media, DeGuglielmo has created a trail of campfire stories for Jets beat reporters. During his introductory remarks last offseason, DeGuglielmo insisted he wasn't worried about the "ghosts of Bill Callahan." He then called Callahan to apologize.
At the same news conference, DeGuglielmo boldly backed failed right tackle Wayne Hunter. "Until they tell me otherwise, until they ship him out of this building or until they shoot me dead in my office," DeGuglielmo declared, "that son of a gun is going to be the starting right tackle and he's going to play well." Hunter promptly was traded to the St. Louis Rams before ever playing a down for his new position coach.....

....Once his offensive line came under fire late in the season, DeGuglielmo deflected the blame to the team's running backs and tight ends. "Have you ever heard, 'Boy, those tight ends didn't block well today? Those tight ends had a (expletive) year blocking?' " he said.

Perhaps the most bizarre of DeGuglielmo's behavior was his threat to spit tobacco juice at reporters' feet in training camp. Months later, he chastised the same writers for not braving Superstorm Sandy during the bye week to interview him."

Then there's this - yikes:

New York Jets' O-Line Coach Dave DeGuglielmo Steaming Over Directive << CBS New York

jmt57 · Sep 24, 2014

A far as offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo goes, my thoughts:

Knowing that at some point Dante Scarnecchia is going to retire (based on his age and presumed conversations he had with Belichick), wouldn't it have made more sense to have had somebody on staff with the idea of grooming him as the replacement over the last year or two? Not necessarily an assistant OL coach, but perhaps a TE coach (works in conjunction with the OL) and/or a defensive line coach ('self scouting' and developing a good knowledge of what to expect to from the opposition).

It seems like this would have been a superior plan than hiring somebody from the outside. Scarnecchia's retirement was not and should not have been a surprise; therefore a better transition plan should have been put into place.

In addition, with the change at the OL coaching position, then the Patriots should have waited a year to move Mankins. The proficiency of an offensive line is dependent on cohesiveness, and that only comes from working together. Way too many changes (coach, LG, C, RG) to expect high end productivity with this unit.

At most there should be only two changes (and preferably no more than one) in a single off-season; the Patriots are dealing with four.

Captain Cliche · Sep 24, 2014

I don't know...

Getting fired from the Jets is a check in the plus column in my book.

woolster22 · Sep 25, 2014

Captain Cliche said:
I don't know...

Getting fired from the Jets is a check in the plus column in my book.

Being the biggest dbag on the jets staff certainly is not a check in any plus column.

supafly · Sep 25, 2014

jmt57 said:
A far as offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo goes, my thoughts:

Knowing that at some point Dante Scarnecchia is going to retire (based on his age and presumed conversations he had with Belichick), wouldn't it have made more sense to have had somebody on staff with the idea of grooming him as the replacement over the last year or two? Not necessarily an assistant OL coach, but perhaps a TE coach (works in conjunction with the OL) and/or a defensive line coach ('self scouting' and developing a good knowledge of what to expect to from the opposition).

It seems like this would have been a superior plan than hiring somebody from the outside. Scarnecchia's retirement was not and should not have been a surprise; therefore a better transition plan should have been put into place.

In addition, with the change at the OL coaching position, then the Patriots should have waited a year to move Mankins. The proficiency of an offensive line is dependent on cohesiveness, and that only comes from working together. Way too many changes (coach, LG, C, RG) to expect high end productivity with this unit.

At most there should be only two changes (and preferably no more than one) in a single off-season; the Patriots are dealing with four.

It's hard to come up with much of anything after this post. That said, hopefully they can make the best of a bad situation. One would assume that Belichick is certainly smart enough to have thought about all of this stuff, which makes the decision a bit odd---not that I mean to pile on too strongly.

AzPatsFan · Sep 25, 2014

jmt57 said:
A far as offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo goes, my thoughts:

Knowing that at some point Dante Scarnecchia is going to retire (based on his age and presumed conversations he had with Belichick), wouldn't it have made more sense to have had somebody on staff with the idea of grooming him as the replacement over the last year or two? Not necessarily an assistant OL coach, but perhaps a TE coach (works in conjunction with the OL) and/or a defensive line coach ('self scouting' and developing a good knowledge of what to expect to from the opposition).

It seems like this would have been a superior plan than hiring somebody from the outside. Scarnecchia's retirement was not and should not have been a surprise; therefore a better transition plan should have been put into place.

In addition, with the change at the OL coaching position, then the Patriots should have waited a year to move Mankins. The proficiency of an offensive line is dependent on cohesiveness, and that only comes from working together. Way too many changes (coach, LG, C, RG) to expect high end productivity with this unit.

At most there should be only two changes (and preferably no more than one) in a single off-season; the Patriots are dealing with four.

I would tend to agree but I heard that Gugs was a Dante recomendation. GUG has coached in a Perkins-Earnhardt Offense, so neither he nor the players would need to learn new terminology.

After the 2013 season, it was obvious that at least two, Wendell for size, and Connolly, for age, and maybe three, Mankins, needed to be upgraded. The planning was to replace 2 in 2014, and Mankins in 2015.

Then the Trade Offer came along, and BB &the Coaches threw away their plans and decided to replace three, even though it would certainly be tough and upsetting to do so for the first half of the season.

Judging from Reiss' news report, they have decided to continue to play Solder, Cannon, Stork, Connolly and Vollmer and continue until things stabilize; or it is clear that wont work.

Dante's commentary at Light's wingding, advises that course of action too.

Sciz · Sep 25, 2014

jmt57 said:
Knowing that at some point Dante Scarnecchia is going to retire (based on his age and presumed conversations he had with Belichick), wouldn't it have made more sense to have had somebody on staff with the idea of grooming him as the replacement over the last year or two? Not necessarily an assistant OL coach, but perhaps a TE coach (works in conjunction with the OL) and/or a defensive line coach ('self scouting' and developing a good knowledge of what to expect to from the opposition).

It seems like this would have been a superior plan than hiring somebody from the outside. Scarnecchia's retirement was not and should not have been a surprise; therefore a better transition plan should have been put into place.

I think that may have been exactly what they were planning to do. Brian Daboll was looking like a candidate for that spot when he spent last season as a coaching assistant working with Scarnecchia and the OL. When TE coach George Godsey took the Houston QB coach job, there were two position coach openings and only one internal candidate.

DarrylS · Sep 25, 2014

Excellent example of why I refuse to listen to 98.5 in the afternoon... brings back memories of "The Big Show" where the person who talked the loudest was the "bestest" and the "rightest"...

Mike the Brit · Sep 25, 2014

jmt57 said:
A far as offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo goes, my thoughts:

Knowing that at some point Dante Scarnecchia is going to retire (based on his age and presumed conversations he had with Belichick), wouldn't it have made more sense to have had somebody on staff with the idea of grooming him as the replacement over the last year or two? Not necessarily an assistant OL coach, but perhaps a TE coach (works in conjunction with the OL) and/or a defensive line coach ('self scouting' and developing a good knowledge of what to expect to from the opposition).

It seems like this would have been a superior plan than hiring somebody from the outside. Scarnecchia's retirement was not and should not have been a surprise; therefore a better transition plan should have been put into place.

In addition, with the change at the OL coaching position, then the Patriots should have waited a year to move Mankins. The proficiency of an offensive line is dependent on cohesiveness, and that only comes from working together. Way too many changes (coach, LG, C, RG) to expect high end productivity with this unit.

At most there should be only two changes (and preferably no more than one) in a single off-season; the Patriots are dealing with four.

Excellent post. So here is the best "homer" reply I can make.

The Pats DID have someone inside who was shadowing Scarnecchia. Brian Daboll spent last season specifically assisting with the offensive line. I'd guess that having him take over was already a strong possibility. That they didn't go with that suggests that BB had a very positive judgement about Guglielmo.

OK, on the other side ...

BB is a great football coach, but I'm not sure he's always been a great judge of people. That said, one of his amazing strengths is the ability to re-visit his decisions and draw consequences from his mistakes. If appointing Guglielmo was one of them, he won't let personal vanity get in the way of acknowledging it.

Whether it was I have absolutely no idea. But it's going to be an interesting next few weeks.

jmt57 · Sep 25, 2014

@Sciz @Mike the Brit

Excellent point about Daboll. Thanks for pointing that out; for whatever reason I had forgotten all about that when I responded.

Still, hypothetically speaking; if an agreement had already been made with Daboll to take over as the OL coach, then why not hire an external TE coach? Cold feet on Daboll taking over as coach of the OL? Decided continuity was more important (only one new position coach rather then two)?

Granted Daboll has never been an OL coach, but he has served as an offensive coordinator for four seasons.

We will probably never know the real reasons for this decision making (I'll have to assume that BB was really impressed with Guglielmo), but it just seems rather curious to me.

varjao · Sep 27, 2014

That's the part where Bedard rips off Goodell, very interesting

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/23/bedard-roger-goodell-must-go/

mgteich · Sep 27, 2014

jmt57 said:
@Sciz @Mike the Brit

Excellent point about Daboll. Thanks for pointing that out; for whatever reason I had forgotten all about that when I responded.

Still, hypothetically speaking; if an agreement had already been made with Daboll to take over as the OL coach, then why not hire an external TE coach? Cold feet on Daboll taking over as coach of the OL? Decided continuity was more important (only one new position coach rather then two)?

Granted Daboll has never been an OL coach, but he has served as an offensive coordinator for four seasons.

We will probably never know the real reasons for this decision making (I'll have to assume that BB was really impressed with Guglielmo), but it just seems rather curious to me.

Belichick had Daboll and a top coaching resource working with Scar for a year. yes, he was a fall back as a choice for OL coach if Belichick didn't find someone acceptable.

It is not strange that we don't understand Belichick's personnel choice for the coaching staff. I don't that were have ever have. What is strange is the idea that somehow we have poor coaches.

captain stone · Sep 27, 2014

mgteich said:
It is not strange that we don't understand Belichick's personnel choice for the coaching staff. I don't that were have ever have. What is strange is the idea that somehow we have poor coaches.

What so strange about that?

mgteich · Sep 28, 2014

captain stone said:
What so strange about that?

Posters here seem to think that we had little talent last year, and were extremely unlucky with regard to injuries.

So, how exactly did we get to the conference championship if not by the very fine efforts by our coaches.

reflexblue · Sep 28, 2014

upstater1 said:
Top rushing offenses on the college level. 3rd in the NFL with the Jets. That's success.

Except the pats aren't a rushing team and haven't been in quite awhile

AzPatsFan · Sep 28, 2014

Mike the Brit said:
Excellent post. So here is the best "homer" reply I can make.

The Pats DID have someone inside who was shadowing Scarnecchia. Brian Daboll spent last season specifically assisting with the offensive line. I'd guess that having him take over was already a strong possibility. That they didn't go with that suggests that BB had a very positive judgement about Guglielmo.

OK, on the other side ...

BB is a great football coach, but I'm not sure he's always been a great judge of people. That said, one of his amazing strengths is the ability to re-visit his decisions and draw consequences from his mistakes. If appointing Guglielmo was one of them, he won't let personal vanity get in the way of acknowledging it.

Whether it was I have absolutely no idea. But it's going to be an interesting next few weeks.

BB would have to be a great fool if he did not anticipate the major surgery the Pats coaches were going to perform on the O-line would not be disruptive and upsetting. You can argue that he did not anticipate the changes, but then how do you explain the draft of three offensive linemen in the spring Draft? He knew it; and he knew it was necessary. He also knew that going furthur, and replacing Logan Mankins now, would make things even more troublesome, in order to get a proven replacement for Hernandez. He judged it would improve the TE position, and accepted the cost.

BB is no Fool.

He fully foresaw this, and judged the changes would work themselves out over the first half of the season. Then the revised Offensive line would have half a season to build continuity, anticipation and unspoken communication between the bigger, more talented, players, by the Playoffs.

BB expected the much bigger, and much younger, and possibly more talented, revised Offensive line would not be as likely to be dominated by good teams in the Playoffs.

supafly · Sep 28, 2014

Sciz said:
I think that may have been exactly what they were planning to do. Brian Daboll was looking like a candidate for that spot when he spent last season as a coaching assistant working with Scarnecchia and the OL. When TE coach George Godsey took the Houston QB coach job, there were two position coach openings and only one internal candidate.

As @jmt57 pointed out, I thought there was talk of a succession plan in the past year or two, but I agree with him that it seemed very odd to me that when Scar finally hung it up they went outside for the replacement.

Great job pointing out the conundrum of having 2 spots with only Daboll to fill, but I'd much rather have seen him stay where he was supposedly being trained to take over--if indeed, that was the case.

Once again, we'll likely never know the complete truth, but I assume that Belichick felt that the new guy (certainly don't feel like typing out that name) had much more experience than Daboll ever could've, which is likely the reason why he's here. That's just my hunch, as obviously I could be way off.

Disco Volante · Sep 29, 2014

From today's show...

"I rather see the Patriots play well and lose tonight than play poorly and win tonight"
-Tony Massarotti

One of the dumbest things I've seen him say in a while.

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