Bedard: Offensive Line Coach Unpopular with Players

PATSNUTme said:

BB will get this fixed sooner rather than later. I'm not saying that because I'm a blind homer. Anyone who has watched BB over the years knows that he is all about winning and is totally miserable when the team loses.

So if it means making a trade, firing the OL coach, begging Scar to come back, whatever the fix is, he will do everythng he can to get it done.

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Funny thing is on Inside the NFL last night they showed video of belichick's lockerroom speech after the game. He didn't look that upset.

ATippett56 said:

This is the type of brutal honesty [Devey being a marginal roster player, not worthy of being a starter] that I appreciate.

Thank God I'm not going blind because I see the same pathetic offensive line performance not worthy of Tom Brady quarterbacked team. So Tom Brady took a home town discount for this crap?

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I have seen offensive lines vary dramatically with the same players but changing coaches. For example, the Michigan State Spartan OL underperformed woefully under its current coach. When former Buckeye coordinator Jim Bollman was brought in to help, the performance of the same guys changed almost on a dime. Dramatic improvement.

OL coach is one of the most important coaches on the team. A lot of X's and O's for the second smartest group after the QB's.

Chip Kelly hired the best offensive line coach in college football Feb. 2013 from Nick Saban's Alabama program. So the Eagles now have Jeff Stoutland whom we could have gotten if Scar had retired one year earlier. I'd hazard a guess that Stoutland is MUCH better than what we have now in lackluster Dave DeGuglielmo.

Playing Devey is simply, unquestionably a horrible decision--and it's all on DeGuglielmo, who goes by some other lens than Scar. It should be Josh Kline at LG, just like he played a couple of games last year. His first start was very rough. Then Kline improved dramatically.

It should be Solder-Kline-Connelly-Cannon-Seabass.

The beeching stops when the Oline performs at a higher level.

As I said in another post, I think it's abundantly clear the Patriots had their eyes set solely on Trai Turner of LSU in the third round with our pick, #92. When the Panthers took him at #91, we immediately traded out for a fourth (Bryan Stork) and a sixth (who was Jamea Thomas out of Georgia Tech).

Turner has broken the starting lineup and looks to be a very solid NFL player, in not better.

And Captain Stone has questioned the drafting of the Florida guard we cut who lacks athleticism, not a Patriots-type player. Why we drafted him is a question in my mind.

Bill has screwed up a little bit by drafting too many secondary guys in the early rounds who haven't panned out. We have neglected the interior of both the offensive and, to a lesser extent, the defensive linesl. Scar the magic man is no longer coaching.

Tavon Wilson instead of a legitimate 3-4 DE from Nashua, NH, starting for the Chargers, Kendall Reyes, the UConn star? That still rankles. It was as if Belichick wanted to poke fun of the Combine selection process, rather than do what was best for his team. Wilson was #2 at Illinois. He had dreadlocks then like his teammate Terry Hawthorne, who wore #1, a 4.44 CB who was drafted in the fifth round by the Steelers and subsequently cut. Hawthorne was the more athletic of the two. Wilson was/is a sixth-rounder at best.

I can give Belichick Darius Butler. That happens all the time. But Tavon Wilson? That's arrogance on Belichick's part.

Tim Hasselbeck on DeGuglielmo:

“Everyone is panicking,” Hasselbeck said. “Dante Scarnecchia isn’t there. I’ve known him since I was in junior high school. He’€™s an awesome coach. There’€™s no question about it. But Dave DeGuglielmo, who everyone wants to throw under the bus and say, ‘Hey, Brady is getting knocked around because Dave DeGuglielmo can’€™t coach,’ that’€™s a bunch of garbage. I was around him two years in New York and he’€™s just as qualified as anybody to be coaching technique along the offensive line, getting young guys ready to play, as well as understanding scheme. How to put guys in good situations.”

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http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports...-coaching-technique-along-the-offensive-line/

I'm not real big on Kline either. He is another UDFA who doesn't match up physically with Suhs,Atkins,McCoys,Ngata's of the NFL. He improved with reads but looked good when he got to help on a double team like Connolly and Wendy does all the time. Cannon has been groomed for tackle so give him time to settle in at guard where he should have been. He is way more talented than Connolly Wendy Kline or Devey. The lineup with the most upside to improve each game is Solder Cannon Stork Fleming Vollmer. I was hoping the patriots to draft Seantrel Henderson because he is a rare talent and Vollmer is often injured while Solder inconsistent. Bills know already they got a steal, a top10 talent. He is their starter at RT with plans to switch to LT. Cordy Glenn is very steady at LT but Henderson is a beast being compared to Orlando Pace already. It comes down to talent, while Bill is impressed with Wendy's knowledge, Henderson is dominating and he really doesn't even know what he is doing yet. All that good model citizen and choir boy stuff is useless playing football. Henderson was a smart dude who didn't like going to class but likes to play and works hard. Its been a while since the patriots had and mid to late round steals

It is easy to understand why the players are unhappy with a coach who starts Cannon at LG.

PatFanCraig said:

I'm not real big on Kline either. He is another UDFA who doesn't match up physically with Suhs,Atkins,McCoys,Ngata's of the NFL. He improved with reads but looked good when he got to help on a double team like Connolly and Wendy does all the time. Cannon has been groomed for tackle so give him time to settle in at guard where he should have been. He is way more talented than Connolly Wendy Kline or Devey. The lineup with the most upside to improve each game is Solder Cannon Stork Fleming Vollmer. I was hoping the patriots to draft Seantrel Henderson because he is a rare talent and Vollmer is often injured while Solder inconsistent. Bills know already they got a steal, a top10 talent. He is their starter at RT with plans to switch to LT. Cordy Glenn is very steady at LT but Henderson is a beast being compared to Orlando Pace already. It comes down to talent, while Bill is impressed with Wendy's knowledge, Henderson is dominating and he really doesn't even know what he is doing yet. All that good model citizen and choir boy stuff is useless playing football. Henderson was a smart dude who didn't like going to class but likes to play and works hard. Its been a while since the patriots had and mid to late round steals

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I am not big on Devey tiny biceps as not good block passer will need time to do lat work with Kline at RG but Flem as LG big for Vollmer as tackle should bench 460 times before cardio could put on another 15 lbs muscle with strict diet and McNuggets Bill Bust should have signed Carl Nicks a beast mauler to pair with Brian Waters inside outside can get vertical laterally to the ground doing inverted handstand pushups with protein shakes at Ryan Wendy's compares to Anthony Munoz at prime wanted Henderson who is 400 lbs and runs 4.20 can vert out of gym with beast mauler run block in secondary.

Hey Ivan would you like to meet somewhere

PatFanCraig said:

Hey Ivan would you like to meet somewhere

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No thanks, I don't swing that way.

And as embarrassing as it is to admit my back lawn, while fairly large, is fenced in for the dogs and wouldn't work as a landing strip for your prized Cessna.

State said:

I can give Belichick Darius Butler. That happens all the time. But Tavon Wilson? That's arrogance on Belichick's part.

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This coming from the guy who screamed about them not drafting Jerel Worthy with that pick.

Last I checked Tavon Wilson is still on the Patriots while Worthy is not on an NFL roster.

PatFanCraig said:

Hey Ivan would you like to meet somewhere

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Here is the deal Gymrat, write posts that are intelligible and coherent and not filled with complete crap and i will be fine with it, keep on writing completely incoherent blather and I will criticize it. I am far from alone in viewing your posts as completely idiotic, and in truth I think there is a good chance that you are just doing it as a joke because it is hard to imagine that anyone can actually write that poorly

PatFanCraig said:

Hey Ivan would you like to meet somewhere

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Hey Craig, just got your PM.

I will say Adios now because you won't be here when i get home later.

Ivan said:

it is hard to imagine that anyone can actually write that poorly

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Could be a Green Bean fan ...

Ivan said:

This coming from the guy who screamed about them not drafting Jerel Worthy with that pick [Tavon Wilson].

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Wadya talkin' 'bout?

I guess I'll continue beating the drum of the pick I wanted, UCONN's Kendell Reyes, a starting 3.4 DT.

The NFL scouts questioned Worthy at the Combine and the results were mixed. But Reyes, a Nashua, NH, native, would have been a perfect fit for our defense line. He would be starting here as he has with the Chargers since his rookie year in their 3.4 defense.

I doubt that being "popular" is part of the job description... I hope he's coaching them pretty hard right about now.

State said:

Wadya talkin' 'bout?

I guess I'll continue beating the drum of the pick I wanted, UCONN's Kendell Reyes, a starting 3.4 DT.

The NFL scouts questioned Worthy at the Combine and the results were mixed. But Reyes, a Nashua, NH, native, would have been a perfect fit for our defense line. He would be starting here as he has with the Chargers since his rookie year in their 3.4 defense.

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You were beating the drum as hard as you could for Worthy and there was no mistaking it as I remember it making sense because of your affiliation with Michigan State. This is one of the reasons the Draft Forum really needs to be archived so we can access it when we want to because denial is the most popular state of mind when it comes to the poster's who love to trash Belichick's picks but always forget who theirs really were. You may well have liked Reyes but it was Belichick passing on Worthy you made the stink about. I wanted David and was pissed they passed on him but felt he simply didn't match the size Belichick demands from his choices at LB. I wish that wasn't the case but I believe it is.

Ivan said:

You were beating the drum as hard as you could for Worthy and there was no mistaking it as I remember it making sense because of your affiliation with Michigan State. This is one of the reasons the Draft Forum really needs to be archived so we can access it when we want to because denial is the most popular state of mind when it comes to the poster's who love to trash Belichick's picks but always forget who theirs really were. You may well have liked Reyes but it was Belichick passing on Worthy you made the stink about. I wanted David and was pissed they passed on him but felt he simply didn't match the size Belichick demands from his choices at LB. I wish that wasn't the case but I believe it is.

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I suppose it is in the nature of Jr. GM Draftniks to only remember the guys who made it, that they recommended and forget their mistakes. Monday Morning Quarterbacking it is called.

mgteich said:

It is easy to understand why the players are unhappy with a coach who starts Cannon at LG.

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This is ridiculous, and surprising coming from you. There's no evidence that the players are truly unhappy (I don't count the usual adjustment to a new coach who replaces a legend as being "unhappy"), and certainly none that it has anything to do with Cannon starting at LG.

mayoclinic said:

This is ridiculous, and surprising coming from you. There's no evidence that the players are truly unhappy (I don't count the usual adjustment to a new coach who replaces a legend as being "unhappy"), and certainly none that it has anything to do with Cannon starting at LG.

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Since when are multiple reports "no evidence"?

Ivan, I'm really going to cause you to blow bubbles next year when I'm by promoting Michigan's Devin Funchess for us. Can't you look past my avatar?

Part of the reason the Duge is unpopular is that these guys are quiet, not very flamboyant. Solder is very intelligent and is probably sensitive. Dante was like a patient, intense, caring grandfather. This abrasive local boy is a different story, possibly ruffling the quiet feathers of guys who are the opposite of punk Richie Incognitio, whom he apparently got along with famously.

I'd really like someone to tell me whose idea it was to play Jordan Devey, a first-class disaster story. That person is Duge. And it was an unqualified disaster. If he starts the game, we

Playing Kline-Wendell-Connolly is the least talented interior in the NFL. But at least they know what they're doing unlike Cannon at RG. Devey needs to go back to the practice squad.

There are just simply too many variables in the picture to put the blame for the OL's lackluster performance on any one person. Mankins is gone, new OL coach, different linemen playing different positions, etc. It's Week 4. Our OL is still trying to figure itself out. It's not good right now, I know. But once the coaches solidify a lineup they will get better each week with more and more coaching and more and more reps to get that communication down.