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Pretty basic question, and despite my Catholic upbringing I have no idea what that church teaches. curious whether the major religions actually address this or just assume it as a given, or a mystery, and go from there.

RI? VA? any perspectives from your religions, since you're 2 of the folks here who seem pretty well-versed on their respective teachings?

(VA, this came from a Wiesel book, though I haven't read Trial of God yet: "For what purpose did God create man? I understand that man needs God. But what need of man has God?")
 
THE LIFE OF MAN - TO KNOW AND LOVE GOD

"1 God, infinitely perfect and blessed in himself, in a plan of sheer goodness freely created man to make him share in his own blessed life. For this reason, at every time and in every place, God draws close to man. He calls man to seek him, to know him, to love him with all his strength. He calls together all men, scattered and divided by sin, into the unity of his family, the Church. To accomplish this, when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son as Redeemer and Savior. In his Son and through him, he invites men to become, in the Holy Spirit, his adopted children and thus heirs of his blessed life."


http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/prologue.htm
 
Elie is not the first Jew to ask this question. A long time ago, David asked:

When I consider your heavens,
the work of your fingers,
the moon and the stars,
which you have set in place,
what is mankind that you are mindful of them,
human beings that you care for them?

- Psalm 8:3-4

I don't know if anyone really understands why. One explanation I have heard has to do with the concept of the "Glory of God". He can only be glorified if there is someone to do so. To me, questions like that fall into the category of "mysteries" that I will likely not understand while I am stumbling around on earth but will make perfect sense to me in the hereafter.

For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. - 1 Corinthians 13:12
 
Judaism - and here, let's stick to Orthodox Judaism - has a lot of room for theological back-and-forth on this sort of subject.

People get the idea that the Orthodox are analogous to really rigid Christians (for example). They are different - though "Orthodox" means "right belief," it might be better to call them "Orthopraxic," or "Right practice."

For many questions of "right belief" there is no stock "Jewish answer." For example, there are guesses about the life to come (the afterlife,) but the mechanics are way less developed as "dogma" than in Christianity.

Similarly, on this question, there is apparently a debate in Talmud on this very subject, summed up in this "ask yahoo" answer...
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061129125059AAuuDqv

Bottom line, because the Holy One, blessed be he, has a desire to give (in this case, to give us life/existence).

Elie Wiesel says God created man because God loves stories :). I like this theology as well.

:)
 
It's really interesting to me that this question comes as a sort of surprise... like you say, it's incredibly basic. It's imponderable in a way, because the answer means you have to know God's mind. Not that there's been any shortage of people who claim to know that, in all faiths. But I mean, imagine getting THAT one wrong, convincing a bunch of people, and finding out... oops!
 
i think we evolved from the same particles and "stardust" that most everything else is made of, basically

im not a scientist.......but this has always seemed more intuitive to me than the notion that we were created by a supreme being

so.....to answer the question why.........i dont think there is a why in a moral sense

in a more descriptive sense......i suppose its kind of like asking why a coin landed heads or tails.......extremely difficult to ascertain
 
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i think we evolved from the same particles and "stardust" that most everything else is made of, basically

im not a scientist.......but this has always seemed more intuitive to me than the notion that we were created by a supreme being

so.....to answer the question why.........i dont think there is a why in a moral sense

in a more descriptive sense......i suppose its kind of like asking why a coin landed heads or tails.......extremely difficult to ascertain

I agree.

I think our discrete thinking of beginning and end might not be right. Everything works circular, what if there is no beginning and end.
 
i think we evolved from the same particles and "stardust" that most everything else is made of, basically

im not a scientist.......but this has always seemed more intuitive to me than the notion that we were created by a supreme being

so.....to answer the question why.........i dont think there is a why in a moral sense

in a more descriptive sense......i suppose its kind of like asking why a coin landed heads or tails.......extremely difficult to ascertain

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/read-prove-god-exists/
Executive Summary:

Part 1: Language, Information, and the Origin of DNA (Read Transcript)

Most arguments about evolution and intelligent design offer only anecdotal evidence and are inherently incapable of actually proving anything. We must get better evidence in order to get to the bottom of this! Fortunately, the science of modern communications easily provides us with the tools we need to get answers. Although the details are complex, the concepts are easily grasped by anyone with a high school education.


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Patterns occur naturally – no help required from a ‘designer’.
Many patterns occur in nature without the help of a designer – snowflakes, tornados, hurricanes, sand dunes, stalactites, rivers and ocean waves. These patterns are the natural result of what scientists categorize as chaos and fractals. These things are well-understood and we experience them every day.

Codes, however, do not occur without a designer.
151x130ximage019.jpg.pagespeed.ic.OIU5VweFqV.jpg
Examples of symbolic codes include music, blueprints, languages like English and Chinese, computer programs, and yes, DNA. The essential distinction is the difference between a pattern and a code. Chaos can produce patterns, but it has never been shown to produce codes or symbols. Codes and symbols store information, which is not a property of matter and energy alone. Information itself is a separate entity on par with matter and energy.

Proof that DNA was designed by a mind: (1) DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern;
182x103ximage027.jpg.pagespeed.ic.3O3fBVZkyc.jpg
it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism. (2) All codes we know the origin of are created by a conscious mind. (3) Therefore DNA was designed by a mind, and language and information are proof of the action of a Superintelligence.

We can explore five possible conclusions:

1) Humans designed DNA

2) Aliens designed DNA

3) DNA occurred randomly and spontaneously

4) There must be some undiscovered law of physics that creates information

5) DNA was Designed by a Superintelligence, i.e. God.

(1) requires time travel or infinite generations of humans. (2) could well be true but only pushes the question back in time. (3) may be a remote possibility, but it’s not a scientific explanation in that it doesn’t refer to a systematic, repeatable process. It’s nothing more than an appeal to luck . (4) could be true but no one can form a testable hypothesis until someone observes a naturally occurring code. So the only systematic explanation that remains is (5) a theological one.

To the extent that scientific reasoning can prove anything, DNA is proof of a designer.
 
i think we evolved from the same particles and "stardust" that most everything else is made of, basically

im not a scientist.......but this has always seemed more intuitive to me than the notion that we were created by a supreme being

so.....to answer the question why.........i dont think there is a why in a moral sense

in a more descriptive sense......i suppose its kind of like asking why a coin landed heads or tails.......extremely difficult to ascertain

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/read-prove-god-exists/
Executive Summary:

Part 1: Language, Information, and the Origin of DNA (Read Transcript)

Most arguments about evolution and intelligent design offer only anecdotal evidence and are inherently incapable of actually proving anything. We must get better evidence in order to get to the bottom of this! Fortunately, the science of modern communications easily provides us with the tools we need to get answers. Although the details are complex, the concepts are easily grasped by anyone with a high school education.


145x93ximage011.jpg.pagespeed.ic.7RgATfShFm.jpg
Patterns occur naturally – no help required from a ‘designer’.
Many patterns occur in nature without the help of a designer – snowflakes, tornados, hurricanes, sand dunes, stalactites, rivers and ocean waves. These patterns are the natural result of what scientists categorize as chaos and fractals. These things are well-understood and we experience them every day.

Codes, however, do not occur without a designer.
151x130ximage019.jpg.pagespeed.ic.OIU5VweFqV.jpg
Examples of symbolic codes include music, blueprints, languages like English and Chinese, computer programs, and yes, DNA. The essential distinction is the difference between a pattern and a code. Chaos can produce patterns, but it has never been shown to produce codes or symbols. Codes and symbols store information, which is not a property of matter and energy alone. Information itself is a separate entity on par with matter and energy.

Proof that DNA was designed by a mind: (1) DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern;
182x103ximage027.jpg.pagespeed.ic.3O3fBVZkyc.jpg
it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism. (2) All codes we know the origin of are created by a conscious mind. (3) Therefore DNA was designed by a mind, and language and information are proof of the action of a Superintelligence.

We can explore five possible conclusions:

1) Humans designed DNA

2) Aliens designed DNA

3) DNA occurred randomly and spontaneously

4) There must be some undiscovered law of physics that creates information

5) DNA was Designed by a Superintelligence, i.e. God.

(1) requires time travel or infinite generations of humans. (2) could well be true but only pushes the question back in time. (3) may be a remote possibility, but it’s not a scientific explanation in that it doesn’t refer to a systematic, repeatable process. It’s nothing more than an appeal to luck . (4) could be true but no one can form a testable hypothesis until someone observes a naturally occurring code. So the only systematic explanation that remains is (5) a theological one.

To the extent that scientific reasoning can prove anything, DNA is proof of a designer.
 
Man was created to help God evolve from the genocidal son murdering type of God to a moral God.

This thinking is the Gnostic Christian’s goal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

This method and mind set is how you become I am and brethren to Jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, then you will begin to know the only God you will ever find.

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Jesus also taught that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.

This also indicates that God was made for man and not man for God.

If you cannot see God everywhere, you will never find God anywhere.

Regards
DL
 
You only know what God wants you to know, that's why you don't know why God created you, he doesn't want you to know but he knows.
 
I dont know if one can answer the collective question of why we, when we havent fight why "I (being single being)" am here.....

Life is about enlightenment, what separates us from the other animals
 
asktherightquestions.jpg


We can't assume there is a why, especially not one relatable to us.
 
i think we evolved from the same particles and "stardust" that most everything else is made of, basically

Yes, yes we absolutely are. Mind-blowing. But even more mind-blowing is that the stuff that we would call ordinary matter only makes up a fraction of the Universe (4%), as most if it is pervaded by stuff that does not interact with light (dark matter, dark energy). And that without that stuff, the Universe we observe wouldn't exist as it does.

Science is always humbling us.
 
We can't assume there is a why, especially not one relatable to us.

I actually don't assume there is a why.

The thread got a bit off topic, partly due to the title I gave it. What I was wondering about was what christianity and other religions say about it, as I realaized that, despite having been raised catholic (but now, and pretty much always, an atheist / agnostic), I have no idea what the church teaches about this fundamental question.
 
God created us to glorify himself?

Is that what the church teaches?
Yes, at least the pastor I listen too says this. Not sure about all churches though.
 


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