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I am not worried about WRs What I am curious about is our OL drafting.

Solder - mid first. Has not lived up especially this year.
Vollmer - mid 2nd - Often injured but good when healthy
Connolly - UDFA
Cannon - 5th - Okay backup tackle.
Stork - 4th - Wait and see
Devey - UDFA
Kline - UDFA
Wendell - UDFA
Flemming - 4th - wait and see

look at that no wonder we are having issues on the OL.

How about spending a few more picks in the top 3 rounds? Maybe then Brady wouldn't get killed.
I understand your preference for using the top rounds for guards instead of defensive linemen. Belichick thinks that there has been more value at DL than at OG in the last 1st and in the second rounds. I agree with Belichick's strategy.

The patriots have quality picks in the last first and in the second round. You would have Belichick use those picks for guards. Belichick has used those picks for the defense (especially defensive linemen) and for offensive tackles.
 
I understand your preference for using the top rounds for guards instead of defensive linemen. Belichick thinks that there has been more value at DL than at OG in the last 1st and in the second rounds. I agree with Belichick's strategy.

The patriots have quality picks in the last first and in the second round. You would have Belichick use those picks for guards. Belichick has used those picks for the defense (especially defensive linemen) and for offensive tackles.

First off I would appreciate it if you ask me to clarify how I value certain spots instead of assuming cause that would cause confusion about what I mean.

So to be more clear on what i mean. I am not saying DT = OGs cause i don't believe they do. Generally OG are some of the least valuable spots in the NFL. However I would also say the likelihood drops of getting a solid starting player when you don't pick one in the top 3 rounds.

I am not saying take a guard with a top 10 pick cause I don't believe guards win super bowls but i do believe bad starters can lose you super bowls.

My thoughts on position value are this.

Tackles - Highly valued. I would go as high as a top 3 pick for a very good level tackle but would prefer to not have a starting tackle that is below bottom 2nd round talent that also plays up to that talent.

Center - Medium/low valued. It is one of the less valuable positions but more so than a few others. I would go as high as late first round (after 25) for a very good center but would prefer not to have a starting center that is below a mid 3rd round talent.

Guard - Low valued - Guards in today's game not that important and not worth investing a lot of money or high draft capital in. I would draft an very good guard in the high 2nd round but would prefer not to have a starting guard below bottom 3rd round talent that can also play up to that talent.

Here is my general break down of positions if you wanna know.

QB >>> OT = DE = CB > DT > LB = S = WR = TE > C > G > RB (and i won't do STs)
 
I am not worried about WRs What I am curious about is our OL drafting.

Solder - mid first. Has not lived up especially this year.
Vollmer - mid 2nd - Often injured but good when healthy
Connolly - UDFA
Cannon - 5th - Okay backup tackle.
Stork - 4th - Wait and see
Devey - UDFA
Kline - UDFA
Wendell - UDFA
Flemming - 4th - wait and see

look at that no wonder we are having issues on the OL.

How about spending a few more picks in the top 3 rounds? Maybe then Brady wouldn't get killed.

Sorry i'll have to disagree with you on that one.
For the examples you listed and only using draft capital of a 1st, 2nd, 2 4ths and a 5th.

Our line is about what you think it would be for that amount of investment. Solder hasn't been what we want but he is by no means a bottom half OT in the league. Vollmer has made an all pro team at RT. The other guys are late draft picks and FA's.

You also didn't mention Mankins, Light, Koppen e.t.c in your summary all BB draftees.
 
Sorry i'll have to disagree with you on that one.
For the examples you listed and only using draft capital of a 1st, 2nd, 2 4ths and a 5th.

Our line is about what you think it would be for that amount of investment. Solder hasn't been what we want but he is by no means a bottom half OT in the league. Vollmer has made an all pro team at RT. The other guys are late draft picks and FA's.

You also didn't mention Mankins, Light, Koppen e.t.c in your summary all BB draftees.


If anything our line (i.e bottom 3rd in the league IMO) is about where you would expect for such little investment.
 
I hate threads like this because they really don't offer any context. If I told you that this guy failed 7 out of 10 times to complete his goal, you'd think he's a failure. If I told you he was a baseball player with a .300 average, suddenly he's pretty good at what he does. What's the difference? A little thing called perspective.

You can't judge the draft record without first understanding what is "normal" or "average." For all you know, BB might be ahead of the curve. Or maybe way behind. But without looking at the bigger picture, you can't really conclude anything, just point out the obvious.

So let's actually do some work rather than talk out of our asses.

First, we need to figure out what constitutes a "successful" drafted WR. What is the criteria? We could go by Pro Bowls, or 1,000-yard seasons, or starts, or catches. If you ask 20 people, you'll get 20 different answers. So instead, let's use Career AV. It's an imperfect number, but so is every stat in football. I put more weight into it than the way most people reach their "conclusions."

Career AV is an interesting number to use because it gives a single number to a player's value. It doesn't mean a guy who is a 14 is worse than a guy who is a 16, but it looks at their production. However, it also rewards better players with a higher number. So a Calvin Johnson gets a significantly higher number than 3 JAGs combined who had decent careers. This way we can somewhat evaluate the impact of those picks. In other words, it isn't about the % of picks who "make it" based on whatever criteria we decide, but rather their overall impact.

By looking at every drafted WR since BB took over the Patriots (2000 to 2014), we can calculate an average Career AV mark per round for receivers. We can also see where most receivers are drafted. We can also compare these figures against the Patriots draft picks in this period to see how they compare.

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Out of 404 WRs, you can see roughly the same number of prospects are drafted in each round. The Career AV average for WRs is 13 overall. As expected, the higher up they are, the better they tend to be with the exception being with 7th rounders having slightly higher AV rankings. Part of this may be that more receivers were drafted here.

You also notice the Patriots are right around the mark more or less for the 2nd round. The big misses have been in rounds 3-5, but bear in mind that these are small sample sizes, and one decent player out of those 5 picks would change the equations. It's somewhat balanced by our luck in the 7th. The noticeable exception is the lack of a 1st round WR.

In the next chart, we can look at all teams, how many picks they're spending on the position, and their average Career AVs. This should tell us if we're the worst team ever at drafting WRs.

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Top 5s are highlighted in green, while bottom 5s are in red. Despite the Pats not spending a 1st round pick on a WR, we are not at the top or bottom of the pile. Indy and New Orleans have done a great job with those WR picks, being at the bottom 5 in total picks, but in the top 5 for output. Some terrible teams haven't gotten much bang for their buck such as Oakland and Tennessee, but interestingly enough, San Fran and Baltimore haven't done any better despite spending more picks than the Patriots.

I might go into these numbers a bit more but I'm tired. The point is simply that BB could possibly spend a 1st rounder or more picks on WRs, and maybe we need to do better in the middle rounds, but overall, we're getting decent value for our WR draft picks. We're certainly nowhere near the worst the way many posters in this thread are acting.
 
I hate threads like this because they really don't offer any context. If I told you that this guy failed 7 out of 10 times to complete his goal, you'd think he's a failure. If I told you he was a baseball player with a .300 average, suddenly he's pretty good at what he does. What's the difference? A little thing called perspective.

You can't judge the draft record without first understanding what is "normal" or "average." For all you know, BB might be ahead of the curve. Or maybe way behind. But without looking at the bigger picture, you can't really conclude anything, just point out the obvious.

So let's actually do some work rather than talk out of our asses.

First, we need to figure out what constitutes a "successful" drafted WR. What is the criteria? We could go by Pro Bowls, or 1,000-yard seasons, or starts, or catches. If you ask 20 people, you'll get 20 different answers. So instead, let's use Career AV. It's an imperfect number, but so is every stat in football. I put more weight into it than the way most people reach their "conclusions."

Career AV is an interesting number to use because it gives a single number to a player's value. It doesn't mean a guy who is a 14 is worse than a guy who is a 16, but it looks at their production. However, it also rewards better players with a higher number. So a Calvin Johnson gets a significantly higher number than 3 JAGs combined who had decent careers. This way we can somewhat evaluate the impact of those picks. In other words, it isn't about the % of picks who "make it" based on whatever criteria we decide, but rather their overall impact.

By looking at every drafted WR since BB took over the Patriots (2000 to 2014), we can calculate an average Career AV mark per round for receivers. We can also see where most receivers are drafted. We can also compare these figures against the Patriots draft picks in this period to see how they compare.

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Out of 404 WRs, you can see roughly the same number of prospects are drafted in each round. The Career AV average for WRs is 13 overall. As expected, the higher up they are, the better they tend to be with the exception being with 7th rounders having slightly higher AV rankings. Part of this may be that more receivers were drafted here.

You also notice the Patriots are right around the mark more or less for the 2nd round. The big misses have been in rounds 3-5, but bear in mind that these are small sample sizes, and one decent player out of those 5 picks would change the equations. It's somewhat balanced by our luck in the 7th. The noticeable exception is the lack of a 1st round WR.

In the next chart, we can look at all teams, how many picks they're spending on the position, and their average Career AVs. This should tell us if we're the worst team ever at drafting WRs.

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Top 5s are highlighted in green, while bottom 5s are in red. Despite the Pats not spending a 1st round pick on a WR, we are not at the top or bottom of the pile. Indy and New Orleans have done a great job with those WR picks, being at the bottom 5 in total picks, but in the top 5 for output. Some terrible teams haven't gotten much bang for their buck such as Oakland and Tennessee, but interestingly enough, San Fran and Baltimore haven't done any better despite spending more picks than the Patriots.

I might go into these numbers a bit more but I'm tired. The point is simply that BB could possibly spend a 1st rounder or more picks on WRs, and maybe we need to do better in the middle rounds, but overall, we're getting decent value for our WR draft picks. We're certainly nowhere near the worst the way many posters in this thread are acting.

Great stuff. From my end at least this is less of a criticism thread and more a discussion piece. Those are some good stats and an interesting way to look at it. The statistics you bring up tho do show a average to below average return from WR's drafted.
 
OK, let's discuss based on your comments. Thank you for your clarifications.

We both agree that we want starting OT's to be 1st or 2nd rounders. Personally, I also think that it reasonable to draft backup OT's (who might become OG's) in the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds. Cannon and Fleming are such players. If players such as these stay at OT, there are likely to be career backups, which are necessary on any team.

You would prefer starting interior linemen to be all be 2nd or 3rd rounders (or even as high as very late first for a center). If I follow your bottom of post note correctly, the only starters that you value below guards are RB's and Sters (I'm fine with that).

So, everyone other than RB's and STer should be 3rd rounders or higher.

IMHO, that is a very, very unreasonable position. A team has to be able to secure at least SOME starters from the draft after the end of the 3rd round. Of course, we would all "prefer" to have draftees from the first three rounds at every starting position.

Personally, I think it reasonable to find a center in the 4th or 5th and a guard (especially among the OT's) in the 4th or 5th. So, for me, it is reasonable to have drafted Koppen and now Stork with the expectation of having a first or second year starter.

The patriots have the best record in the NFL over many seasons. We have always had UDFA's, low round draftees and middle level UFA's as our interior lineman. Once in awhile, an exception comes. As I recall, Mankins was a college LT, so perhaps even he is that much of an exception.

First off I would appreciate it if you ask me to clarify how I value certain spots instead of assuming cause that would cause confusion about what I mean.

So to be more clear on what i mean. I am not saying DT = OGs cause i don't believe they do. Generally OG are some of the least valuable spots in the NFL. However I would also say the likelihood drops of getting a solid starting player when you don't pick one in the top 3 rounds.

I am not saying take a guard with a top 10 pick cause I don't believe guards win super bowls but i do believe bad starters can lose you super bowls.

My thoughts on position value are this.

Tackles - Highly valued. I would go as high as a top 3 pick for a very good level tackle but would prefer to not have a starting tackle that is below bottom 2nd round talent that also plays up to that talent.

Center - Medium/low valued. It is one of the less valuable positions but more so than a few others. I would go as high as late first round (after 25) for a very good center but would prefer not to have a starting center that is below a mid 3rd round talent.

Guard - Low valued - Guards in today's game not that important and not worth investing a lot of money or high draft capital in. I would draft an very good guard in the high 2nd round but would prefer not to have a starting guard below bottom 3rd round talent that can also play up to that talent.

Here is my general break down of positions if you wanna know.

QB >>> OT = DE = CB > DT > LB = S = WR = TE > C > G > RB (and i won't do STs)
 
OK, let's discuss based on your comments. Thank you for your clarifications.

We both agree that we want starting OT's to be 1st or 2nd rounders. Personally, I also think that it reasonable to draft backup OT's (who might become OG's) in the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds. Cannon and Fleming are such players. If players such as these stay at OT, there are likely to be career backups, which are necessary on any team.

You would prefer starting interior linemen to be all be 2nd or 3rd rounders (or even as high as very late first for a center). If I follow your bottom of post note correctly, the only starters that you value below guards are RB's and Sters (I'm fine with that).

So, everyone other than RB's and STer should be 3rd rounders or higher.

IMHO, that is a very, very unreasonable position. A team has to be able to secure at least SOME starters from the draft after the end of the 3rd round. Of course, we would all "prefer" to have draftees from the first three rounds at every starting position.

Personally, I think it reasonable to find a center in the 4th or 5th and a guard (especially among the OT's) in the 4th or 5th. So, for me, it is reasonable to have drafted Koppen and now Stork with the expectation of having a first or second year starter.

The patriots have the best record in the NFL over many seasons. We have always had UDFA's, low round draftees and middle level UFA's as our interior lineman. Once in awhile, an exception comes. As I recall, Mankins was a college LT, so perhaps even he is that much of an exception.

Well obviously the top 3 round preference is an over simplification. You get good players as UDFA and 1st round picks bust all the time. What I am trying to illustrate by top 3 round pick is I want to see investment in starting spots. I think this team undervalues them too much and has paid for it somewhat.

When i say top 3 rounds my logic is this. Generally you need players 3 every year to replenish your starters. So basically after 7 years you would have entirely new starters if we stuck solely to that formula. Obviously players can play 15 years and some only play 1 or 2. I have various reasons for this number but it gets involved (and we know about only half of the starting jobs are secure). Also I am well aware that the average NFL career is 3 years but that includes a lot of UDFAs and late round picks which generally push that number way down.

Of course it is a vast generalization which relies on perfect evaluation of talent which doesn't happen.

About RBs and key backups. I am not against picking them in even the 2nd round if a player is truly exceptional but i don't believe they should be taken over other positions where talent is near equal with near equal need.

Also I don't consider most RBs "full time starters" cause most can't handle the load and hold up well all season which is why they generally have such low value to me.
 
Sorry i'll have to disagree with you on that one.
For the examples you listed and only using draft capital of a 1st, 2nd, 2 4ths and a 5th.

Our line is about what you think it would be for that amount of investment. Solder hasn't been what we want but he is by no means a bottom half OT in the league. Vollmer has made an all pro team at RT. The other guys are late draft picks and FA's.

You also didn't mention Mankins, Light, Koppen e.t.c in your summary all BB draftees.

I am only mentioning players currently on the team. The problem is our line is about where you expect it would be based on how we drafted for it. I am glad we did something this year and picked up 2 4th round picks but they should have done more sooner and it shows.
 
I am only mentioning players currently on the team. The problem is our line is about where you expect it would be based on how we drafted for it. I am glad we did something this year and picked up 2 4th round picks but they should have done more sooner and it shows.

This is true. But an argument the FO might make is well we expected Mankins to be the PB player we were paying him to be. Solder-Mankins-Stork-Cannon-Vollmer. Actually could be argued would be a good line if mankins was playing up to his contract.

But that is not the point. do i agree we could have done more earlier RE the OL? Yes.
 
When it comes to the discussion regarding the productivity of WR draft picks, I believe that there needs to be an inclusion of draft picks that were traded for wide receivers. There were some that worked out (the trades of picks for Welker and Moss) and some that did not (for Greg Lewis, for example).

Would the Patriots have been better off with whomever they might have been able to draft with a second round pick (Welker) or fourth round pick (Moss) in 2007, even if they were the best WR draft evaluaters of our era? Let's also take into consideration that with those two on the team, there was a whole lot less of a priority to draft a WR. If those trades don't happen, then the butterfly effect happens... and the Patriots utilize an earlier draft pick at the position that year and/or soon thereafter.

For draft revisionists, the wide receivers selected after the traded pick for Welker were the following:
Jacoby Jones
Yamon Figurs
Laurent Robinson
Jason Hill
James Jones
Mike Sims-Walker
Johnnie Lee Higgins

The wide receivers selected after the traded pick for Moss were:
Ryne Robinson
Chris Davis
Steve Breaston
Aundre Allison
David Clowney
Roy Hall
Legedu Naanee
Joel Filani
Courtney Taylor
Jordan Kent
John Broussard
Syndric Steptoe
Chansi Stuckey
Derek Stanley
Jonathan Holland



I would say that the Patriots got a very good return on investment for the asset that was the second and fourth round 2007 draft picks at the wide receiver position.
 
The drafting is actually worse that this summary suggests if you look at the guys the Patriots did NOT take instead of another lemon.

Did you see who the Patriots passed on to draft Brandon "Sharon" Tate? A few picks later, Mike Wallace was taken!!!

BB SUCKS at selecting WRs because he wants boy scouts and hates prima donnas. But I have news for you Bill; the best WRs are (usually) prima donnas - get used to it.
 
Great stuff. From my end at least this is less of a criticism thread and more a discussion piece. Those are some good stats and an interesting way to look at it. The statistics you bring up tho do show a average to below average return from WR's drafted.

Well it's important to look at the bigger picture for important context. For example, if we use the expected Career AVs by draft round as the barometer of a "successful" pick, 71% of drafted WRs fail to meet the average for their draft round.

It's also important to understand the small sample sizes we're using at the team level. In that context, 3 out of 12 picks for the Patriots is about normal. If Dobson develops, that's suddenly above average. We don't use a lot of draft picks on WRs in general.

As for the lack of 1sts, the average expected AV is around 30. 31 of 55 1st-rounders (56%) did not meet that mark. The expected AV is much higher in that round, but it's still quite a risk to take.

The original figures put together were to calculate what could be expected as averages over the past 13 years. It isn't perfect because we don't know what a lot of these players will eventually become. The 2013 draftees still have time to up those numbers. But as a ballpark number, it helps. When we go back and compare those picks individually to the career expected numbers, you see again, we're not really great or terrible, pretty average.

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This chart shows how many draft picks exceed the individual marks. This differs in the sense that one great player doesn't inflate a team's score. For example, if a team drafted a HOFer WR but busted on their next 8 picks, their overall mark might still be very high because of the total career AV from that HOFer. But this chart would show them as 1 for 8 in draft picks exceeding average. So this is more of a quantity vs. quality chart showing how many hit the minimum mark for their draft class. In this chart, the Patriots are 23rd out of 32 teams, a low mark but again, tiny sample sizes here.

We're really talking about one guy here, whether it's Jackson or Tate or Boyce not developing. If one of those 3 had developed, we'd be at or above league average. One guy off.

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This chart shows the expected value of all draft picks (draft round expected points x number of picks per round for all combined rounds). This is basically what each team could expect in value if every player they drafted hit their draft average, then comparing it to what they got. Again, the Patriots are not in the top 5 or bottom 5, but somewhere in the middle tier (19th). This shows that for the type of picks we use, we get okay value.

So again, this is nothing new, just to point out that while we could do better, we are certainly /nowhere near the bottom of the pile at this position.

It's also good to look at what the results mean in terms of winning, which is to say very little. The Colts were one of the best drafting teams, but so were the Jets. The Steelers are high up, but so are Cardinals.
I certainly hope Dobson works out and that we do end up drafting better, but all the chicken littles who act as if we are the worst in the league seriously need to shut the **** up.

The drafting is actually worse that this summary suggests if you look at the guys the Patriots did NOT take instead of another lemon.

Did you see who the Patriots passed on to draft Brandon "Sharon" Tate? A few picks later, Mike Wallace was taken!!!

BB SUCKS at selecting WRs because he wants boy scouts and hates prima donnas. But I have news for you Bill; the best WRs are (usually) prima donnas - get used to it.

You know who else passed on Mike Wallace? Everyone. Multiple times.

Including Pittsburgh, who drafted Kraig Urbik ahead of him.

Everybody gets lucky in the draft.

Maybe the best WRs are usually prima donnas. Maybe not. But I have news for you Fred. They don't win ****.

Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, heck throw in Josh Gordon, Dez Bryant...how many Super Bowls do they have? Wait, how many play-off wins do they have? No, seriously, how many play-off games have they even been to?

This isn't fantasy football. I don't give a **** what your dream team of WRs scores in your FF league. Drafting a top WR and paying them big money over their career rarely guarantees any real football success. Let's not forget that in all this discussion about WRs.
 
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I have less concern over the Patriots drafting and more concern over their player development.

Aaron Dobson
Josh Boyce
Duron Harmon
Logan Ryan
Tavon Wilson
Jake Bequette
Nate Solder
Stevan Ridley

Those players have all shown regression over the past few seasons or failed to ever progress.
 
Felger brought up a pretty sobering, disappointing item yesterday - against Oakland the Patriots starting offensive lineup had ONE first round draft pick (Solder, and he was f#cking terrible). Is that how you surround one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL?

I don't know who this "Felger" is, but he clearly doesn't follow the NFL. Except for an occasional marquee tackle, nobody drafts a lot of o-linemen in the first round.

On average, each team only gets one first round pick each year. Those picks tend to go to positions that are very expensive to fill through free agency. Except for the Pats with Makins, guards and centers usually aren't among the highest paid players on a roster.
 
Let me start out by saying that there isn't another coach out there that I'd rather have than BB. I'm also ok with him/Caserio as a GM/Personnel combo. When everything is considered- draft position, UFA's, FAs, wins, division titles, playoff runs, Pro Bowlers, players that make the roster and start, etc. Certainly some years are better then others but overall the NEP franchise has been way above-average.

However, there is no denying that for whatever the reason, since 2002 the organization's ability to identify, draft and develop impact players at the wide receiver position has been substandard. They got very lucky with Edelman....very.

When it comes to the offensive system, I am also questioning the degree of difficulty and rigidity of the offensive system.

Not playing Dobson vs the Raiders was complete BS. He caught 37 passes last year. That annoyed me. How are young players supposed to develop if they are deactivated? Thompkins caught 32. LaFell caught 40 or so balls in 2012 and 49 in 2013. Wright caught 54 balls last year. Amendola was a 80+ catch guy in StL. Clearly these guys can catch the football. Is the WR in this offense only successful when you have exceptional players like Branch, Moss, Gronk, WW? It took Edelman 3+ years to break through? Do you need To spend 100 hours of alone time with Brady to earn his trust? Is Brady freezing out the WRs because they do not run the routes the way he wants them run. Can't he make the adjustments to them?

Now with that all said it's not like the WRs they/ are drafting are pro-bowlers somewhere else. To me part of the problem is a talent recognition issue.

I understand that the o-line has problems right now but this has been a 12 year issue for this team.

I don't think this gets enough discussion. It seems that WRs that come here and don't produce get 100% of the blame for their "inability to pick up the system", while Brady's inability to adjust to the tendencies of his WRs escapes criticism. Lafell is a great example. The guy is by no means a superstar, but he has produced ever since his sophomore year in college. He gets to New England, and he's all of the sudden a one meaningless catch a game guy. I think this has much less to do with Lafell (and the others) and much more to do with Brady's tentativeness in the pocket, and his unwillingness to go through his progressions. A great deal of this can be attributed to the extremely poor OL play, but this has been an issue for a couple years now.
 
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This isn't fantasy football. I don't give a **** what your dream team of WRs scores in your FF league. Drafting a top WR and paying them big money over their career rarely guarantees any real football success. Let's not forget that in all this discussion about WRs.

If you draft wisely, you do not have to shell out the Big Bucks. Time to roll out the BB Draft List of Shame again, sigh:

2013: Josh Boyce 4'th
2010: Taylor Price 3'd (instead of Mike Williams, ouch, Rielly Cooper, Antonio Brown, etc.)
2009: Brandon Tate 3'd (instead of Wallace, ouch)
2006: Chad Jackon 2'd (trade up, ouch, instead of Greg Jennings, double ouch, what the hell was BB thinking?)
2004: P.K. Sam
2003 Bethel Johnson 2'd (instead of Anquan Boldin, ouch)

If

That being said, 2002 was an excellent year with Branch and Givens (the most under-appreciated WR in Patriots history).
 
I am not worried about WRs What I am curious about is our OL drafting.

Solder - mid first. Has not lived up especially this year.
Vollmer - mid 2nd - Often injured but good when healthy
Connolly - UDFA
Cannon - 5th - Okay backup tackle.
Stork - 4th - Wait and see
Devey - UDFA
Kline - UDFA
Wendell - UDFA
Flemming - 4th - wait and see

look at that no wonder we are having issues on the OL.

How about spending a few more picks in the top 3 rounds? Maybe then Brady wouldn't get killed.

Maybe at LT (which they took a shot and missed with Solder), but you don't need top of the draft guys at the other positions. I have no idea what they saw in Solder. Watch his college highlight reel vs. Cal...looks just like the Oakland game. Substitute Kendricks for Mack. Same game.
 


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