Greg Bedard is going to have some good OL talk on 98.5 from 2-4 Tues 9/23

Deus Irae said:

3 up:

Hightower - even in pass coverage
Mayo - great in middle, getting better every week, 3 QB pressures
Ch Jones - all over the place ever since they got him out of the 5 technique

3 down:

Solder - 5 QB pressures, 5 bad run blocks, just.... not good
Cannon - 5 QB pressures, 1.5 stuffed runs allowed.... not good either
Hooman - just cannot run block


Bonus:
Collins - blown up in the running game, only 20 snaps


Bedard likes what he's seeing out of the defense, thinks it's legit

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Agree on Collins. The guy is an absolute bum.

Miguel said:

Chiefs and Patriots both have struggled in their pass blocking

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The good is that Chandler Jones and Hightower should have a great night. The bad is that so should Tamba Hali.

iapatsfan said:

Agree on Collins. The guy is an absolute bum.

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The resident troll pipes in.

But speaking about Collins, I think the change of scheme back to a 3-4 has taken away a position for the guy. He might be best rotating with Ninkovich at OLB. If they stayed with a 4-3, he might be beasting right now. I don't know if he has a role in the 3-4.

Miguel said:

Eric Fisher and Nate Solder are battling for worst starting left tackle

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Based on the game I saw (4 sacks allowed) and the other two I've read about, Matt Kalil is running away with that title.

Rob0729 said:

The resident troll pipes in.

But speaking about Collins, I think the change of scheme back to a 3-4 has taken away a position for the guy. He might be best rotating with Ninkovich at OLB. If they stayed with a 4-3, he might be beasting right now. I don't know if he has a role in the 3-4.

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Easley also has no role in a 3-4. We also have no qualified 3-4 DEs. Good stuff.

iapatsfan said:

Easley also has no role in a 3-4. We also have no qualified 3-4 DEs. Good stuff.

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Easley can one gap in the 3-4. The defense has done pretty well thus far with "no qualified 3-4 DE". And they do when Siliga goes to NT and Wilfork goes to DE.

Jimke said:

I wonder how Degluglielmo feels about playing Devey? Is playing Devey BB decision?

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From sitting behind the bench, it looked like the decision to replace Devey with Stork was DeGluglielmo's. I did not see any communication with BB but did see DeG speak with Stork. I suspect that Devey will no longer start. Personnel changes, especially on the OL, are not made lightly as they disrupt familiarity and cohesion. For this reason, I expect they will give the group that finished last game a chance for a while. If problems persist, then Fleming, Wendell and Kline are also available and have experience in the system. The talk about Incognito strikes me as far-fetched.

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Easley can one gap in the 3-4. The defense has done pretty well thus far with "no qualified 3-4 DE". And they do when Siliga goes to NT and Wilfork goes to DE.

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Siliga appears to be out. Now????

The defense is fine. I don't believe it's as good as it's currently ranked. I think that has something to do with the offenses we've played, but the least of my concerns is our defense. My primary concern is our offense becoming a bottom third of the NFL unit. I don't believe our defense is good enough to compensate for that. I am mystified on how we can field an offense so light on talent. Through the majority of the first three games, watching this offense has resembled the 4th quarter of meaningless preseason games. Just a bunch of guys that don't look like they belong in the league. It's crazy how bad they've been.

Also, what does it say about the athleticism on the Patriots when Chung is our kick returner? If that isn't telling...

Jimke said:

I wonder how Degluglielmo feels about playing Devey? Is playing Devey BB decision?

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I'm pretty sure those decisions are made among the HC, coordinator and position coach.

iapatsfan said:

Easley also has no role in a 3-4. We also have no qualified 3-4 DEs. Good stuff.

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Clearly you do not understand the defense.

Other than not possibly being able to stomach Squeaky and the Douchebag for more than 1.2 seconds, I'm glad I didn't listen. Sounds as though Bedard doesn't think there's much reason to watch any more Pats games this season. Of course, he's also the guy who described Aaron Hernandez as "a good kid at heart" after he was accused of murder. But, for sure, the oline situation seems bleak.

Rob0729 said:

The resident troll pipes in.

But speaking about Collins, I think the change of scheme back to a 3-4 has taken away a position for the guy. He might be best rotating with Ninkovich at OLB. If they stayed with a 4-3, he might be beasting right now. I don't know if he has a role in the 3-4.

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We lined up in 43 Sunday. I don't have a count of how often but more than a couple of times.
Really Collins role in the 43 and 34 isn't very different, playing off the line between the DT and DE.

primetime said:

There's already one socialized NFL team and I don't recall Michael Sam playing for the Packers or Aaron Rodgers being cut for expressing a political opinion different than the majority opinion of the city of Green Bay. Meanwhile, the NFL is already deeply in bed with lawmakers due to antitrust exemptions, stadium subsidies, and so on. It's not going to convince you to take off the tinfoil hat, but you should read this article anyways

http://squarelyrooted.com/2014/09/11/nationalize-sports/

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The government doesn't run the Green Bay Packers. The Packers is a company that went public and allowed the buying of shares. Apples and cinderblocks.

AndyJohnson said:

Clearly you do not understand the defense.

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I know (with Siliga out) we have one two gap NT (in his 30s coming off an Achilles injury). I know the rest of our DT are better suited to 3 technique in a 4-3. You disagree. You think the Easley pick was valuable if he was drafted to play DE in a 3-4?

PATS16N0 said:

The government doesn't run the Green Bay Packers. The Packers is a company that went public and allowed the buying of shares. Apples and cinderblocks.

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Amtrak is a government entity that runs on host franchises which are publicly traded corporations (which the Packers aren't). Such a model for public ownership of the league is already there, and sports leagues wouldn't need additional subsidies like the railroads do.

If we DID have to change the OL coach, the in-house replacement would be Daboli, no?

iapatsfan said:

I know (with Siliga out) we have one two gap NT (in his 30s coming off an Achilles injury). I know the rest of our DT are better suited to 3 technique in a 4-3. You disagree. You think the Easley pick was valuable if he was drafted to play DE in a 3-4?

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We do not play a 2gap 34.
We switch to 43 with no trouble.
If Easley plays every snap of nickel/dime and never plays in the base, thats 60% of the snaps and yes that is valuable. Not that he wouldn't play in the base, but, again, you do not understand the defense.

AndyJohnson said:

We do not play a 2gap 34.
We switch to 43 with no trouble.
If Easley plays every snap of nickel/dime and never plays in the base, thats 60% of the snaps and yes that is valuable. Not that he wouldn't play in the base, but, again, you do not understand the defense.

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I fully understand the defense (it would be tough not to as it's very vanilla), but I completely disagree that a first round pick on a DT who only plays in nickel/dime is good value (especially when they're dropping him into zone on some of these plays). Easley's value at Florida (when healthy) had just as much to do with his penetration on running plays. Playing in a 3-4 at DE does not take advantage of any of his strengths.

iapatsfan said:

I fully understand the defense (it would be tough not to as it's very vanilla),

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Which proves you do not understand the defense.

but I completely disagree that a first round pick on a DT who only plays in nickel/dime is good value (especially when they're dropping him into zone on some of these plays).

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What? Easley does not drop into zone. A DL playing 75% of the snaps is of course a good value if he plays them well.

Easley's value at Florida (when healthy) had just as much to do with his penetration on running plays. Playing in a 3-4 at DE does not take advantage of any of his strengths.

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He can be equally disruptive playing over a T as he can playing over a G. In our 34 he would be playing only on the strongside, with either Jones or Nink outside of him. Of course his strengths would be effective there. He is not here primarily to defend the run, he is here primarily to rush the passer.

The Seahawks won a Super Bowl with specialist defensive linemen who only played a portion of the team's snaps. I'm not sure how investing in such a lineman is bad value. What's bad is having your defensive ends play every single snap over the course of the season so they completely break down by the playoffs.