Koppen breaking down the O-line play

PATS68 · Sep 22, 2014

It is way worse than I thought. On one run play Solder got pushed 5+ yards into the backfield which blew up the running play. On another play late off the line and the rusher went right by him. Too much back pedaling by the O-line which gives the edge to the bull rushers. Another play 4 Raiders vs 5 Pats O-linemen and clear victory with all 4 Raiders in the backfield around Tom Brady.

Koppen questions Patriots play calling | CSNNE.com

ATippett56 · Sep 22, 2014

Patriots' 1st-quarter review: OL struggles - espnBoston

Picked-up pieces after reviewing the first quarter of the New England Patriots’ 16-9 victory over the Oakland Raiders:

1. This was not a good game for the offensive line and the third-and-23 with 1:14 remaining is a good one to highlight as to why that was the case. There aren’t many good plays to convert a third-and-23, but what happened was still alarming. The Raiders showed an initial four-man rush look before dropping defensive tackle Antonio Smith off the line and rushing three. So the Patriots had a 5-on-3 numbers edge and yet they lost in each matchup.

Right tackle Sebastian Vollmer’s pass set looked a bit off against LaMarr Woodley in a one-on-one situation, and that minor technique lapse helped Woodley pinch the edge and get quarterback Tom Brady off the spot.

A double team against interior rusher Justin Tuck by right guard Jordan Devey and center Dan Connolly was ineffective, with Devey throwing Tuck to the ground for an obvious holding penalty.

A double team against edge rusher Khalil Mack by left tackle Nate Solder and left guard Marcus Cannon was ineffective, with Mack getting into Solder, who also could have been called for holding.

If you can’t win a 5-on-3 situation, you really don’t have much of a chance.

supafly · Sep 22, 2014

ATippett56 said:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...74/patriots-1st-quarter-review-ol-struggles-2

Very, very concerning.

PATS16N0 · Sep 22, 2014

It was awful. Just bad.
After season after season of our pass defense being cringe worthy, we finally field an A+ defense as our offensive line falls to pieces.

We need to trade or something. I don't know that this is fixable. It looks like a straight up talent problem. Even if they play fine next week, now I have to be paranoid about "the real O-line" rearing its ugly head later in the season when it matters most.

Deus Irae · Sep 22, 2014

supafly said:
Very, very concerning.

Supa, trust me when I tell you that the line is probably even worse than you think.

supafly · Sep 22, 2014

Deus Irae said:
Supa, trust me when I tell you that the line is probably even worse than you think.

That is even more concerning.

I fully understand the idea behind the Mankins trade, although much like the trade of Richard Seymour the timing is very questionable, and I think it's left us without an answer for the time being.

dales804 · Sep 22, 2014

What the hell does Dan Koppen know about playing on the offensive line for NE? Jerk.

Truly, however, I long for the days when Brady could go up against the best defenses the NFL has and not even be breathed on. Koppen was a part of many of those lines.

NormZauchin · Sep 22, 2014

Does anyone have Matt Light's number?

iapatsfan · Sep 22, 2014

NormZauchin said:
Does anyone have Matt Light's number?

"Matt Light is not coming through that door!"

37Harrison · Sep 22, 2014

Solder's play in particular has been very bad.

Lavictoire · Sep 22, 2014

Beam the bat signal into the sky for Dante

ATippett56 · Sep 22, 2014

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...08/patriots-3rd-quarter-review-quick-run-game

2. Tough quarter for right guard Jordan Devey, who was beaten badly in a 1-on-1 situation by Justin Tuck for a sack, one play after he was penalized for a false start. Devey was eventually replaced by Bryan Stork midway through the fourth quarter and it will be interesting to see if that change sticks going forward. Not to pin it all on the offensive line, because there were more issues than just that, but that's the place to start when factoring in why the offense looked so sluggish. Way too inconsistent.

3. Left tackle Nate Solder also struggled. Credit Raiders rookie defensive end/linebacker Khalil Mack with a nice get-off on the play he crunched Tom Brady (6:21 remaining), but Solder can play better technique than that. Solder was also up-and-down in the run game, missing a block on Ridley's run for minus-1 yard, but was excellent in pulling to pave the way on Ridley's 6-yard run late in the quarter.

ATippett56 · Sep 22, 2014

Lavictoire said:
Beam the bat signal into the sky for Dante

Wendell and Connolly regressed under Dante's tutelage last season.

This is a talent issue and Devey belongs in the CFL not the NFL.

upstater1 · Sep 22, 2014

It's a combo of things. It's not only the lack of talent on the OL. It's the fact that you can pin your ears back against that OL and no one is going to hurt you for a quick slant. You simply don't have to worry about Brady firing a throw at a gamebreaking WR over the middle. So, rush upfield like a madman. But yeah the OL is awful, and it isn't going to get better. Wait until other teams figure out that when the jumbo unit comes out there, you bracket the receivers.

Joey007 · Sep 22, 2014

If Solder and Vollmer somehow got back to their old forms that would already be a big improvement. Get Devey outta the lineup then we'd have a formidable offensive line.

Joey007 · Sep 22, 2014

I do now appreciate us having a great OL all those years and now regret taking it for granted like having a great one was a given.

chasa · Sep 22, 2014

the oline and the dline were the big concerns heading into teh draft, the dline looks to be okay, the oline is still the weakest part of the team

VrabelJr · Sep 22, 2014

Joey007 said:
If Solder and Vollmer somehow got back to their old forms that would already be a big improvement. Get Devey outta the lineup then we'd have a formidable offensive line.

Vollmer is still playing quite well.

Joey007 · Sep 22, 2014

VrabelJr said:
Vollmer is still playing quite well.

I suppose. But not quite to his old self, although for him it's excusable since he's coming off a season ending injury.

RIpats88 · Sep 22, 2014

Am I the only one who thinks theyll figure it out? A full 10days to practice and get stork up to speed to start, get devey out of the lineup and theyll improve

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