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Yup. But some states don't have statutes that suit the NFL.

The NFL has its own set of laws/rules. The NFL may ADD a lifetime ban for a second offense, just in case the local law is not harsh enough.

Joker said:

The states do decide the punishments. In RI the law escalates from 1st offense to 3rd offense. Abatterer with a 3rd offense faces up to ten years in prison.

The NFL can add whatever punishmen.

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Deus Irae said:

Tagliabue's NFL pretty much puts the kibosh on your theory.

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I think it aligns perfectly. Protect the stars and the money stream will be protected.

robertweathers said:

I think it aligns perfectly. Protect the stars and the money stream will be protected.

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Since that was not your initial claim

In addition, the NFL's ability to generate revenue is hinged on the public image of it's "product" which is built on the integrity of game and the players who perform- who are bundled as part of the packaged product. If the NFL were turn a blind eye towards players who did drugs, committed violence and acted in ways that were not socially appropriate, the "product" would suffer and revenues would certainly decline. The game and the player's image cannot simply be de-coupled from one another.

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I'm fascinated by your claim of alignment, when there clearly is none.

Joker said:

The states do decide the punishments. In RI the law escalates from 1st offense to 3rd offense. Abatterer with a 3rd offense faces up to ten years in prison.

The NFL can add whatever punishment it sees fit...in the Rice case it was 2 games suspension, then out for the year and now maybe 6 games. It's a terrible message the league is sending, through their own bungling and indecision.

If the laws are misused in jurisdictions affecting YOU, perhaps you should attempt to DO SOMETHING about it. The DV laws are NOT intended to EVER harass fathers, have ZERO to do with coaches and of the "others" I have no idea what you mean.

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Attempt at comedy?

Deus Irae said:

Since that was not your initial claim

I'm fascinated by your claim of alignment, when there clearly is none.

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See Vikings/Raddison and Nike pulling Peterson jerseys.

45 million women watched the Super Bowl last year.

If you don't think a lax NFL policy on domestic violence doesn't impact revenues I don't know what to tell you.

robertweathers said:

See Vikings/Raddison and Nike pulling Peterson jerseys.

45 million women watched the Super Bowl last year.

If you don't think a lax NFL policy on domestic violence doesn't impact revenues I don't know what to tell you.

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See your posts. If you think there was any sort of alignment, I don't know what to tell you.

And a lax NFL policy on criminal matters didn't stop the gravy train under Tagliabue.

Deus Irae said:

See your posts. If you think there was any sort of alignment, I don't know what to tell you.

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I don't know what you are arguing.

Any sort of alignment with what? You are coming across as saying that letting rapists, child abusers and drug users play in the NFL do not impact revenue. Raddison revoking sponsorship impacts revenue. Period.

Deus Irae said:

And a lax NFL policy on criminal matters didn't stop the gravy train under Tagliabue.

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Correct on Tags because he did not take the stance on violence and drugs like Goody. He masterfully side-stepped this mess where Goody has made it a point to be judge, jury and executioner.

https://espn.go.com/chrismortensen/s/2001/0125/1040548.html

If you want to be the sheriff and judge, you should have at least the good judgement, impartiality and moral fiber to do the job right. The POS Goodell has proven sorely lacking in all categories creating mountains out of molehills and molehills out of mountains. Tagliabue showed the ability to be impartial while keeping the gravy train moving.

flasox27 said:

If you want to be the sheriff and judge, you should have at least the good judgement, impartiality and moral fiber to do the job right. The POS Goodell has proven sorely lacking in all categories creating mountains out of molehills and molehills out of mountains. Tagliabue showed the ability to be impartial while keeping the gravy train moving.

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By trade, Tags was an excellent lawyer focused on crisis mgt, risk mitigation and public policy and while an attorney for the NFL, has experience outside of the NFL vacuum. While Goody - and I give him credit for rising through the ranks as an ops/PR guy was part of the NFL while he was doing keg-stands. Its all he knows.

My point is that I think he lacks the downstream awareness sense that Tags had. Not saying Tags was right to side-step off-the-field violence and drug issues but I do think he knew that he had little power to control players once they left the field whereas Goody believes he has the power to do so.

zydecochris said:

This is a person that was Provost of Stanford University from 1993-1999, National Security Advisor from 2001-2005, and Secretary of State from 2005-2009. But, she couldn't handle being NFL Commissioner? That would be too big of a job for her? Really??

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You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say the job would be too big for her, I said she had no experience in this industry. She knows nothing about squeezing every penny out of TV networks and sponsors and local municipalities.

She is a brilliant woman but with an entirely different skill set.

SB39 said:

You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say the job would be too big for her, I said she had no experience in this industry. She knows nothing about squeezing every penny out of TV networks and sponsors and local municipalities.

She is a brilliant woman but with an entirely different skill set.

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How do you know her skill set would not transfer exceedingly well to the commissioner's job? Hell, she's probably OVER-qualified. Do you know what she did with Stanford's budget as provost? (Probably not.) Do you have any idea what kind of communication, consensus-building and negotiating acumen is required to perform as Secretary of State? (Doubtful.) Did you know that she serves on the NCAA College Football Playoff Selection Committee? Or, that she was engaged to former NFL star Rick Upchurch and her father was a lifelong football and basketball coach? You haven't the first clue how well she'd perform as commissioner of the NFL.

(By the way, is your avatar a photo of you? It does fit the image you project.)

Tunescribe said:

How do you know her skill set would not transfer exceedingly well to the commissioner's job?

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How do you know she would be? I don't want Hillary Clinton, Henry Kissinger, John Kerry or Madeline Albright either.

Tunescribe said:

Did you know that she serves on the NCAA College Football Playoff Selection Committee?

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Yes I did know that - and I also knew there was quite a bit of criticism of that move. That would be a drop in the ocean compared to what we would see if she became commissioner of the NFL.

Oh but gee she was engaged to a football player. I guess that makes Gisele qualified to be Commissioner, huh?

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Or, that she was engaged to former NFL star Rick Upchurch and her father was a lifelong football and basketball coach? You haven't the first clue how well she'd perform as commissioner of the NFL.

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Child you need to relax. I gave an opinion. If you don't like it, tough sh*t.

SB39 said:

Child you need to relax. I gave an opinion. If you don't like it, tough sh*t.

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I'm plenty relaxed, although your consistently uninformed opinions and wild leaps of conjecture do give me an occasional stiff pain. BTW, you didn't answer me about your avatar photo -- is it a selfie?

Tunescribe said:

I'm plenty relaxed, although your consistently uninformed opinions and wild leaps of conjecture do give me an occasional stiff pain. BTW, you didn't answer me about your avatar photo -- is it a selfie?

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Yeah that whole rant giving me her entire resume.... sure... "relaxed"....

Seriously child, calm down. It's just the internet.

BTW you didn't answer me: Does being married to Tom Brady make Gisele more qualified to be commissioner? After all, part of your Condoleeza resume was her engagement to a player.

SB39 said:

You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say the job would be too big for her, I said she had no experience in this industry. She knows nothing about squeezing every penny out of TV networks and sponsors and local municipalities.

She is a brilliant woman but with an entirely different skill set.

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You are right that (former Secretary of State Condi Rice) does not have NFL experience.

Respectfully, I was trying to make the point that in my opinion, after being in the (very arguably) second most difficult job in the world for four years, I think she could figure it out in about 10 minutes, regardless of whether or not she has been involved with the NFL in the past. She battled with guys like Cheney and Rumsfield every day for eight years, while dealing with world crises everyday involving thousands of lives (at least), all this time, handling the press, forming very difficult consensus (among different countries), etc. After that, would it really be difficult for her to form consensus among the NFL parties?

It seems to me that the job as NFL Commissioners job would be be a "fun" walk in the park that she would master almost immediately (certainly beyond Goodell's competence level).

I"m not sure how interested she really is in the position, she talked a bit about it while she was in the center of the maelstrom at the State Department, but I think this may have been more of a "wouldn't it be fun to..." type of thing.

I admittedly admire the lady, not because of her political views (which I'm not sure if we know that well anyway) but because of her accomplishments. I'm almost as impressed by her talents as a concert pianist and youngest provost at Stanford as I am her political service. She always seemed to me to be more concerned with "service" to the nation than advancing her personal agenda. I only wish we had more of these types of public servants.

mgteich said:

If you wish, we can discuss what kind of corporations would immediately fire a key employee if he we arrested for spousal or child abuse. We could even discuss which companies would fire a key employee who was accused of a capital crime.

To suggest that the norm in the corporate world is to fire an employee who has been arrested is a strange notion. In any case, this is not the norm. If the offense is serious enough, an employee might be suspended, usually WITH pay, unless the arrest involves the company in some way.

Suspension with or without pay is much different than firing.
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And just BTW, in the case of abuse, many corporations would have very, very different view from many posters. They would allow the police process to continue on its course. They might discuss these personal issues with the employee and "require" counseling. THAT is the way many corporations treat key employees. They do not fire them, lose a key employee and give that employee to the competitor of his choice. In the current situation, it is the TEAMS that are in similar situations. Different teams react in different ways toward personal problems (and crimes) of their key employees. And this is as it should be.

I think that it is a sad commentary on a corporation to suggest firing as the proper way to treat a key employee arrested for behavior outside the workplace.

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Well since I have experienced this a number of times in my corporate and executive career, sex offenders, souse abuse, dwi and stealing, in all cases we have immediately let the person go long before their court day. Sorry just too risky these days...I have no issue with it. Don't like it then don't work for me

Not sure what you do for a living but in my business, not financial or government, we are verycareful because the repercussions of later issues including the one that got an employee fired in the first place are very litigious, I can't tell you how many times large corporations get sued for stupid stuff their employees do. I didn't make this society I only play in the sand box, perceptions are much more important these days than fact. Not always fair I admit but it is the way things work and I bet you might be surprised how many folks get let go due to either abuse or sex charges, in the four corporations I have been in the last 14 years in every single case the employee has been released prior to the legal process was complete, it takes too long. You might be surprised at the companies I have experienced this at, you know all but one for certain. You might ask Mark Hurd formally of HP how it worked out for him there .

I do appreciate the debate and your point of view, it has merit, I'm just saying that what you state above is not what I have seen. Some places might be more lenient. But there are multitudes of very senior people let go from major corporations due to being arrested, just watch the news.

Roger Goodell - fraud

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/rachel-nichols-roger-goodell-nfl-press-conference

SB39 said:

You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say the job would be too big for her, I said she had no experience in this industry. She knows nothing about squeezing every penny out of TV networks and sponsors and local municipalities.

She is a brilliant woman but with an entirely different skill set.

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Neither does Roger Goodell since the NFL subcontracted the same law firm to negotiate the latest TV deal as the one Robert Mueller works for.

Roger Goodell - fraud

The sheriff has run out of bullets.

SB39 said:

Yeah that whole rant giving me her entire resume.... sure... "relaxed"....

Seriously child, calm down. It's just the internet.

BTW you didn't answer me: Does being married to Tom Brady make Gisele more qualified to be commissioner? After all, part of your Condoleeza resume was her engagement to a player.

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Roger Goodell is a joke and so is your defense of the worst commissioner in the history of sport.