Things About to Get Ugly in Baltimore

RobertWeathers · Sep 20, 2014

Captain Cliche said:
The first video of him dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator should have been enough to have him suspended indefinately pending the outcome of the investigation. Anything less is ********. The cover up/damage control started there. What did they think happened inside...Batman sleeping gas? They knew the score from the get go. What arrogance thinking they could minimize the damage/manipulate the system. How awesome is it that the second tape surfaced and blew the lid off.

The organization needs to loose a first and a 1 mil fine....minimum. The president has already been set...for the egregious crime of taping from the wrong location. Anything less would be more "good ole' boy " favoritism.

The way the Pats cut Hernandez loose so quickly, irregardless of the financial ramifications, makes me proud of this organization. I also feel they would handle a "Ray Rice" situation equally as expediently and decisively.

Screw the haters. This is the best run organization in the NFL... on and off the field.

Yep- The fact that Ravens and NFL officials (even Goody) claim that they never saw the inside the elevator video in Feb is completely ridiculous. They saw it and the ESPN OTL report corroborates this. It's disgusting.

I'm sure in the past the Pats have done things to cover up player misgivings. What they have done an outstanding job of is when things hit the light of day, the Krafts are swift with their actions and project a clear moral compass to their fan base (Christian Peter, AH, Willie Andrews, Kenyatta Jones, etc.).

ctpatsfan77 · Sep 20, 2014

Urgent said:
One of the interesting consistencies is that Ray reportedly told a very accurate story to the ravens and the league. Partly because he had been such a good guy - the first to volunteer for every opportunity - the execs did not want to believe the worst. And then they all said he lied or was ambiguous.

An interesting question: did the NFL tape that meeting?

Gwedd · Sep 20, 2014

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well, to be candid, if you've ever been to Baltimore you'll know that it cant get much uglier than it already is.

Fencer · Sep 20, 2014

Ya know -- this is another case of the coverup being worse than the crime. To our knowledge, Rice might truly be a one-time offender, with all his wrongdoing concentrated in a couple of seconds during which he threw a hard punch instead of defending himself in a measured way. Getting the punishment wrong on that is excusable.

But lying about how and why he made his decisions was just ridiculous.

chasa · Sep 20, 2014

pencilneckgeek said:
This is not about draft picks. This isn't a question of fair competition. It's a question of integrity and decency. The punishment needs to be address the failure of leadership and morality, and thus, the appropriate question is whether the ownership group needs to go the way of Donald Sterling or whether an appropriate lesser punishment can be levied by the league.

You have to punish the ravens for trying to cover this up, the best way to do that is to take draft picks, No nfl owner is going to just give away a billion dollar franchise.

chasa · Sep 20, 2014

Fencer said:
Ya know -- this is another case of the coverup being worse than the crime. To our knowledge, Rice might truly be a one-time offender, with all his wrongdoing concentrated in a couple of seconds during which he threw a hard punch instead of defending himself in a measured way. Getting the punishment wrong on that is excusable.

But lying about how and why he made his decisions was just ridiculous.

He was the agressor throughout.

He stepped in the elevator

he spit on her

her pushed her into the wall

and when she went to retaliate he punched her directly in the face as hard as he could.

RobertWeathers · Sep 20, 2014

chasa said:
He was the agressor throughout.

He stepped in the elevator

he spit on her

her pushed her into the wall

and when she went to retaliate he punched her directly in the face as hard as he could.

...and she married him anyway, apologized for her role in the incident and begged Goody and Ravens mgt not to discipline him to the point of jeopardizing his livelihood. Ugh.

I sure hope someone is keeping a watchful eye on her and or if this happens again, she'll have the strength to break away, put his butt in jail and take him for everything he has.

voluntarysaftey · Sep 20, 2014

I bet the conversation in Baltimore went something like this:
Harbough: This is outrageous; we cannot condone this. let's cut him
Rest of Ravens Front Office: Well, he's a great running back; and he's so nice in the community. And this is nowhere near accessory to murder, and the league and our fans seem to have not minded that scenario; so let's just pretend this never happened.

voluntarysaftey · Sep 20, 2014

robertweathers said:
...and she married him anyway, apologized for her role in the incident and begged Goody and Ravens mgt not to discipline him to the point of jeopardizing his livelihood. Ugh.

I sure hope someone is keeping a watchful eye on her and or if this happens again, she'll have the strength to break away, put his butt in jail and take him for everything he has.

I'm a bit indifferent to what she's choosing to do. If this was the first time he ever hit her, and there was alcohol involved or some substance, as long as he refrains from alcohol, or whatever caused his temper to get out of control, and realizes he ****ed up (which I think he does, unlike most abusers), then I don't think negatively of her staying with him; and I'm not sure she's at that much risk.

However, if its a pattern -- like 10 years ago a Phillies pitcher dragged his gf by the hair near fanuel hall in public; no charges were filed, no suspension, nothing, no national uproar, just a local boston temporarily uproar; I think she should've left him cause my guess is if he's brazen enough to do that in public knowing he's a celebrity, in private its probably much worse.

RobertWeathers · Sep 20, 2014

voluntarysaftey said:
I'm a bit indifferent to what she's choosing to do. If this was the first time he ever hit her, and there was alcohol involved or some substance, as long as he refrains from alcohol, or whatever caused his temper to get out of control, and realizes he ****ed up (which I think he does, unlike most abusers), then I don't think negatively of her staying with him; and I'm not sure she's at that much risk.

However, if its a pattern -- like 10 years ago a Phillies pitcher dragged his gf by the hair near fanuel hall in public; no charges were filed, no suspension, nothing, no national uproar, just a local boston temporarily uproar; I think she should've left him cause my guess is if he's brazen enough to do that in public knowing he's a celebrity, in private its probably much worse.

I hear you. I just find it amazing that he beats the poop out of her and she marries him less than a month later. I understand that there is an element here where the female is in denial or considers this behavior she is (sadly) responsible for being the cause of. It is also possible that she grew up in an abusive household - as perhaps he did as well and this is tragically considered "normal" behavior.

We were told that Rice was in therapy and that they were in couples counselling. People make mistakes- I get that. I genuinely hope that this was the first incident but to your point, because he was so undeterred with what he did and where he did it, I also believe that wasn't the first time.

RobertWeathers · Sep 20, 2014

chasa said:
You have to punish the ravens for trying to cover this up, the best way to do that is to take draft picks, No nfl owner is going to just give away a billion dollar franchise.

On a moral level, it is inappropriate to compare Spygate to this but you do have a point. If the Ravens had proof that RR beat up his wife and told Goody that it wasn't "bad" and coached Ray to say all the right things, it that scenario they withheld information from Goody and the output was a lesser punishment exacted. In other words, the Ravens organization were deceitful to Goody and should be penalized to the maximum.

However I'm in the camp that Goody saw the tapes in February and did nothing OR knew what was on the tapes and chose to take the classic Sgt Schultz defense.

ctpatsfan77 · Sep 20, 2014

chasa said:
You have to punish the ravens for trying to cover this up, the best way to do that is to take draft picks, No nfl owner is going to just give away a billion dollar franchise.

It would take a 3/4 vote of the other owners to either force a sale or remove an owner.

BTTA · Sep 20, 2014

Regardless of what did and didn't happen here, the fact that there is a new statue of Ray Lewis at their stadium, and that he is now doing commentary on TV for NFL games, is the greatest outrage of all of this.

Mike the Brit · Sep 20, 2014

Gwedd said:
well, to be candid, if you've ever been to Baltimore you'll know that it cant get much uglier than it already is.

I've got to disagree. I really liked the time I spent in Baltimore.

RelocatedPatFan · Sep 20, 2014

I would say it's been ugly, it's just that we are now lifting up the hood and taking a look at the engine. And this probably falls into the category of better them than us as I imagine there's plenty of things that go on behind the scenes that we (in general) don't want to hear.

That last statement applies to many business and certainly 99.98% of all politicians. I feel confident that Kraft holds things to a higher standard than most, but still I just prefer to see the final product.

RobertWeathers · Sep 20, 2014

betterthanthealternative said:
Regardless of what did and didn't happen here, the fact that there is a new statue of Ray Lewis at their stadium, and that he is now doing commentary on TV for NFL games, is the greatest outrage of all of this.

How quickly the public forgets. Greatest, most well-orchestrated sports-related PR rehabilitation project ever. Pathetic.

RayClay · Sep 20, 2014

Gwedd said:
well, to be candid, if you've ever been to Baltimore you'll know that it cant get much uglier than it already is.

hey!

chasa · Sep 20, 2014

robertweathers said:
On a moral level, it is inappropriate to compare Spygate to this but you do have a point.

i never said anything about spygate.

Froob · Sep 20, 2014

Solution:Ban the Ravens from the league. They won't be missed.

RobertWeathers · Sep 20, 2014

chasa said:
i never said anything about spygate.

I didn't say you did.

The penalties for Spygate and Bountygate included the loss of draft picks.

If the scenario that I presented plays out, the Ravens losing draft picks is on the table and there is past precedent of this happening.

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