And Now It's Reggie Bush's Turn With The Inquisition

Deus Irae said:

Stop. Just stop. Realize who you are aligning yourself with, for crying out loud. You're being played for a sucker, and you're buying in, 100%.

Rice went through the court system, which should have been the end of it. Rice then had to deal with the idiotic Goodell and got a 2 game suspension on top of that, and that was more than should have happened, but it damned sure should have been the end of it.

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ctpatsfan77 said:

While you may not strictly be defending Rice here, it certainly sounds like you're arguing he shouldn't have been suspended at all. Are you saying that based solely on the status quo of how DV cases had been treated in the past, or are you saying that is how it should be done going forward?

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Brady_to_Moss said:

Complete and utter moron

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unoriginal said:

No one on the board is really defending Bush, they're just saying they (or the public) are growing bored, and want to talk about something else.

Let's make this an Amendola thread.

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Deus Irae said:

Defending, or not defending, Rice, is an issue for the many threads that I already have on ignore. I've not defended/attacked him here, because he's relevant only as a catspaw. Now, on to the subject of suspensions/fines/the like.

We've got a criminal justice system here in the U.S., and it's not the NFL. The NFL shouldn't be in the business of dealing out penalties in criminal situations. That includes illegal recreational drugs, as well. The NFL is not the employer of the player. If the individual teams want to form their own policies, or want to deal with it on a case by case basis (and they have, as the Patriots and Steelers, among others, have shown), that's up to them.

Don't get me wrong. I get that the players opened the door for this stuff via the CBAs. But, what we're seeing now was an easily anticipated consequence. The NFL is now going to have to go whole hog into the policing business, or get completely out of it (and we know which they'll choose, because the NFLPA won't have the balls to stop them), largely because Goodell's an idiot.

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ctpatsfan77 said:

I think this is a case where we will have to agree to disagree.

My personal opinion is that, in a perfect world, yes, the 32 teams would be enlightened enough to impose discipline where needed. Given the current state of affairs, though, that seems likely to inspire a race-to-the-bottom with more Vikings fiascos.

Moreover, it would require a fundamental renegotiation of the CBA to allow the teams to have greater leeway in terms of imposing discipline. As of today, various rulings such as the Terrell Owens situation limit a team's ability to impose sanctions short of outright releasing a player.

The flaw in the current system is not, IMO, that the NFL can impose discipline on players. I believe that's an inherent right of professional team sports as much as it is for, say, the PGA to suspend a golfer. The problem, IMO, is the ham-handed way that Goodell has tried to institute that.

What needs to happen is a re-organization of the discipline process. I'm OK with the argument that the Commissioner—whoever that might be—should have the right to either impose discipline or hear appeals for the process, but certainly the Commissioner should not do both.

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Deus Irae said:

Social
Justice
Warriors

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Deus Irae said:

Since it's not about enlightement and you think it is, and since NFL flat-out has no inherent rights to discipline players but you think it does, you're correct, we'll never agree.

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15. INTEGRITY OF GAME. Player recognizes the detriment to the League and professional
football that would result from impairment of public confidence in the honest and orderly
conduct of NFL games or the integrity and good character of NFL players. Player therefore
acknowledges his awareness that if he accepts a bribe or agrees to throw or fix an NFL game;fails to promptly report a bribe offer or an attempt to throw or fix an NFL game; bets on an
NFL game; knowingly associates with gamblers or gambling activity; uses or provides other
players with stimulants or other drugs for the purpose of attempting to enhance on-field
performance; or is guilty of any other form of conduct reasonably judged by the League
Commissioner to be detrimental to the League or professional football, the Commissioner will
have the right, but only after giving Player the opportunity for a hearing at which he may be
represented by counsel of his choice, to fine Player in a reasonable amount; to suspend
Player for a period certain or indefinitely; and/or to terminate this contract.

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Gwedd said:

I swear, Deuce, that I am as angry at the press as I am at these players and the allegations against them. The press acts like sharks at a feeding frenzy. These are young players we're talking about, away from home for the very first time with what to them must feel like a limitless cash card,

These young bucks get out amongst those well-endowed and well educated in street smarts womenz, and it's "Katy Bar the Door!" to keep the gold diggers away from them. A word to the wise! : "No Glove, No Love".

These young studs need a lessen in life skills that starts with them understanding that because of their NEP connections, and large disposable salary they will be seen as high value targets by the local single girls. Girls who will lie and whisper and promise that that are on the pill, and have protection, etc, all just to get in a family way with YOU as their baby dad and new source of income.

The players ought not to feel sad, as the same thing has been going on with sailors, and espeially US Navy aviators since before WWII. If you need help, feel free to ask on this board, as many of us can tell you the straight skinny on females.

Good luck, fellahs, and have fun

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DaBruinz said:

I'll be honest, the only "provocation", in my eyes, that would justify knocking her out then dragging her by the hair out of the elevator would be if she'd pulled a knife/gun on me to begin with. Otherwise, there really is no circumstance to have hit her.

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OhExaulted1 said:

Anyway, if my 1 year old pisses me off I just put her in the microwave or the dryer. It muffles the screams.

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DaBruinz said:

Deus falls flat on his face again. The NFL DOES have an inherent right to discipline players based on the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Furthermore, there is language in every player's contract about conduct that is detrimental to the team and the NFL.

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Bobsyouruncle said:

That's not inherent, it's negotiated. Getting into the discipline business without using due process is a mistake and always has been. There already a system for discipline and due process. If you start saying you'll pass out punishment based on accusations, or arrests, or anything short of a conviction then what's the standard of due process?

We've all seen that Goodell has been playing fast and loose with arbitrary punishments for a while. And this time it bit him in the a**. The thought process now seems to be we need to make sure the punishments are even more capricious and based on less evidence to "solve this problem." They should just put out a statement, we will not put out our punishment until after a verdict is decided in all cases, otherwise they'll continue to screw up punishments.

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DaBruinz said:

I have news for you. Any employer can take action against you for actions that they feel are detrimental to the company, regardless of when they are done.

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ctpatsfan77 said:

This is what the player contract says:



The NFL may not inherently have that right, but it has obviously claimed that right in its contracts. Are you saying that the NFL has claimed a power it is not legally entitled to have, or merely that the players should never have given the NFL that power?

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