Ty Law NFL Hall of Fame candidate

Urgent said:

Quick summary of All Pro status for these five:

Seau - 10 times (12 Pro Bowls)
Harrison - four times (two Pro Bowls)
Law - two times (five Pro Bowls)
Bruschi - two times (one Pro Bowl)
McGinest - zero (two Pro Bowls)

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Solid analysis Urgent but with Willie I think 2 things are really important for his case 1) NFL career leader in playoff sacks 2) He played the elephant and OLB alot and almost everyone you compared him too were purer Dlinemen.

I think we all know most of our guys are not locks other than Brady but which ones will wind up getting the nod as I was saying in an earlier post I imagine our dynasty will be similar represented in the hall as any other. I think BB, Brady, Harrison, Law, and Vinatieri should be the minimum and maybe Bru and Willie sneak in too.

Willie should be helped by his NFL net exposure and Bru just has a cool/heart warming story.

I think Willie has virtually no shot at getting in, unfortunately (he's one of my all-time favorites). Seau will get in without a doubt, Harrison definitely should and probably will. Law is a much iffier case. I'd say it's 50/50 at best, and gun to my head I'd guess that he probably doesn't. That lisfranc injury in 2004 really screwed him; if his prime had extended a few more years I think he would have a much better shot.

Similar issue with Bruschi; his prime started a little late, which makes sense considering the position switch. Then it ended a little early on account of the stroke, so based on the length of his prime I can't see him getting in.

This is also pretty much why Seymour won't get in (he peaked at a HOF level, but not for nearly long enough), and Wilfork too unless he comes all the way back from the Achilles tear and has a great second act to his career.

Urgent said:

Law seems to have the best chance of the five.
The last corners were Deion Sanders and Rod Woodson. Law's career was not as impressive.
Sanders - 188 games, 53 INT, 9 TD's, nine-time first-team All Pro
Woodson - 238 games, 71 INT, 12 TD's, six-time first-team All Pro
Law - 203 games, 53 INT, 7 TD's, two-time All Pro

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You are completly forgetting Aeneas Williams, 211 games, 55 INts, 8x pro bowl, 3x all pro, 9 TDs.

I think that Law is borderline, but I doubt he gets in.

I love Teddy, but I doubt he has a shot, although multiple Superbowl victories sometimes trump stats. He was the heart and sould of a team that won 3 Superbowls.

I think that Willie has a real shot, he has good stats, won 3 Superbowls, holds the NFL record for sacks in the post season.

PLUS do not discount, the fact that both Teddy and Willie are in the media now, which can only help their cases.

One of the reasons that I think that Tedy has a shot is the fact that he's got 3 SB rings and made plenty of CLUTCH plays.

Tedy also has his PVO story and recovering from the stroke to play again..

On a different note. I am surprised by several players not being in yet.
Mark Bavaro, Roger Craig, Herschel Walker, Zach Thomas, Darren Woodson.

Woodson has 3 SB rings. Bavaro has 2. Craig has 3. Thomas and Walker have none..

I think the mere fact that he got the Arizona Cardinals, the epitome of a bad franchise to the Superbowl, and should have one it, gets Kurt Warner into the HOF!

I think he has a very good shot, great story, great player, then makes a comeback after being Eli's back-up.

FirstAndGoal said:

It's nice to be a fan but there are 280 people in the HOF. The only Patriot that was considered top of the heap was Law. Seau (although I have a hard time with this) seems to have a good shot based on reputation.

I have never understood why people think Bruschi is HOF. Loved having him on the Pats but wildly overrated in terms of HOF material. He's in the Troy Brown category. He compares to Takeo Spikes for those citing his numbers.

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Seau has a good shot based on reputation? Did you watch football before the year 2000? Seau is among the best linebackers to ever play the game. They had a Hall of Fame special on the NFL network a few nights ago where they had actual voters and players talking and everyone said Seau is a first year lock. He gets in based on being one of the best ever, not on "reputation".

The Patriot they all mentioned as having a good shot is Ty Law. It won't be this year but he could be a Hall of Famer in a few years. They pointed to his being named at CB to the all-2000's team, his career INT numbers being very strong, and his play in big games.

- Seau is a lock this year. No question about it. One of the all time greats

- Law should get in within a few years.

- Harrison has a shot but it will take some time. I say he's 50/50

- McGinest is a long shot. Great post season resume but not many pro-bowls and there are other guys like Haley and Greene who have better career resumes who aren't in yet.

- Bruschi is one of the greatest Patriots of all time but he isn't a Hall of Famer. Doesn't have the stats or the Pro Bowl appearances to get in.

Boomer B said:

Seau has a good shot based on reputation? Did you watch football before the year 2000? Seau is among the best linebackers to ever play the game. They had a Hall of Fame special on the NFL network a few nights ago where they had actual voters and players talking and everyone said Seau is a first year lock. He gets in based on being one of the best ever, not on "reputation".

The Patriot they all mentioned as having a good shot is Ty Law. It won't be this year but he could be a Hall of Famer in a few years. They pointed to his being named at CB to the all-2000's team, his career INT numbers being very strong, and his play in big games.

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yeah, I watched. I don't think jumping on piles and inflating tackling numbers is HOF worthy. I think he was good but his elevation to superstar status was a product of hype too. I just didn't buy the hype then and don't buy it now. He was a good addition to the Patriots but just because I like a guy doesn't mean I think they're HOF worthy. I don't think he deserved half the pro bowls/all pros he got.

FirstAndGoal said:

yeah, I watched. I don't think jumping on piles and inflating tackling numbers is HOF worthy. I think he was good but his elevation to superstar status was a product of hype too. I just didn't buy the hype then and don't buy it now. He was a good addition to the Patriots but just because I like a guy doesn't mean I think they're HOF worthy.

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Just goes to show how much two people watching the same games can disagree on what's happening, I guess. Seau's HOF candidacy is a slam dunk if there ever was one for a LB, and the reputation is 100% earned IMO.

Boomer B said:

- Seau is a lock this year. No question about it. One of the all time greats

- Law should get in within a few years.

- Harrison has a shot but it will take some time. I say he's 50/50

- McGinest is a long shot. Great post season resume but not many pro-bowls and there are other guys like Haley and Greene who have better career resumes who aren't in yet.

- Bruschi is one of the greatest Patriots of all time but he isn't a Hall of Famer. Doesn't have the stats or the Pro Bowl appearances to get in.

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That's what I think. Seau is a slam dunk, my buddy Ty has a good chance, and the rest of the guys have no real shot. They're Pats HOFers and I love them but they're not NFL HOFers.

DaBruinz said:

One of the reasons that I think that Tedy has a shot is the fact that he's got 3 SB rings and made plenty of CLUTCH plays.
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Je'Rod Cherry has the same three SB rings.
Dan Marino has none.

That doesn't seem to be a huge factor.

FirstAndGoal said:

yeah, I watched. I don't think jumping on piles and inflating tackling numbers is HOF worthy. I think he was good but his elevation to superstar status was a product of hype too. I just didn't buy the hype then and don't buy it now. He was a good addition to the Patriots but just because I like a guy doesn't mean I think they're HOF worthy. I don't think he deserved half the pro bowls/all pros he got.

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No offense but there sure is a lot of wrong in this post. Good grammar, though.

One thing that surprises me is how many people here seem to think that Law has a better shot than Harrison. I think it's the opposite.

Urgent said:

Je'Rod Cherry has the same three SB rings.
Dan Marino has none.

That doesn't seem to be a huge factor.

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Imagine if you're Je'Rod Cherry and google yourself today and find this post? I'd be like, "what the fuxx did I do?"

BradyFTW! said:

One thing that surprises me is how many people here seem to think that Law has a better shot than Harrison. I think it's the opposite.

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Ty seemed like the more dominant player to me. Maybe I feel like that because Rodney spent most of his career in SD.

BradyFTW! said:

One thing that surprises me is how many people here seem to think that Law has a better shot than Harrison. I think it's the opposite.

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Ty Law was revis with more big plays and a better tackler Harrison was pretty much a SS that played at the line for most of his career and he was great at it and I think he will get in but it will take time IMO because most people seen him as a dirty player

patsfan-1982 said:

Ty Law was revis with more big plays and a better tackler Harrison was pretty much a SS that played at the line for most of his career and he was great at it and I think he will get in but it will take time IMO because most people seen him as a dirty player

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As Patriots fans, I think we see Law that way, but I question whether or not the public at large does. If so, I agree that strengthens his case, although I still think his prime was too short for him to have a better-than-50% chance.

Conversely, I don't think that description quite does Harrison justice. He had 22 interceptions between 1995 and 2000, and 34 on his career; he was more limited later in his career, but especially before he came to New England he was very versatile.

Urgent said:

Je'Rod Cherry has the same three SB rings.
Dan Marino has none.

That doesn't seem to be a huge factor.

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Technically he only has two in his possession, he donated one of them for auction to raise money for children.