And Now It's Reggie Bush's Turn With The Inquisition

DaBruinz · Sep 19, 2014

Deus Irae said:
The issue was manufactured, not the event. As has been pointed out a gazillion times, criminal behavior, including domestic violence, happens at a lower rate among NFL players than it does in the general population.

And SJWs suck for a whole host of reasons.

For you to claim that the "issue was manufactured" is laughable. It doesn't matter one bit that criminal behavior is lower amongst NFL players than the general population. It's still criminal behaviour. And it clearly wasn't given the same attention that it would have been if YOU had knocked your wife out.

Here is a good article to read on the whole topic..
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/

domestic violence accounts for 48 percent of arrests for violent crimes among NFL players, , compared to our estimated 21 percent nationally.

BradyFTW! · Sep 19, 2014

Deus Irae said:
The issue was manufactured, not the event. As has been pointed out a gazillion times, criminal behavior, including domestic violence, happens at a lower rate among NFL players than it does in the general population.

And SJWs suck for a whole host of reasons.

Well yeah, obviously. Nobody's claiming that this stuff is being made up. It obviously happened. But if you think that having a problem with Ray Rice knocking his wife out cold on video is an issue that was manufactured by SJWs, then I dunno what to tell you. Pretty much every civilized member of society has a major problem with a guy knocking his wife out cold under any circumstances at all, let alone unprovoked.

DaBruinz · Sep 19, 2014

BradyFTW! said:
Well yeah, obviously. Nobody's claiming that this stuff is being made up. It obviously happened. But if you think that having a problem with Ray Rice knocking his wife out cold on video is an issue that was manufactured by SJWs, then I dunno what to tell you. Pretty much every civilized member of society has a major problem with a guy knocking his wife out cold under any circumstances at all, let alone unprovoked.

I'll be honest, the only "provocation", in my eyes, that would justify knocking her out then dragging her by the hair out of the elevator would be if she'd pulled a knife/gun on me to begin with. Otherwise, there really is no circumstance to have hit her.

Deus Irae · Sep 19, 2014

BradyFTW! said:
Well yeah, obviously. Nobody's claiming that this stuff is being made up. It obviously happened. But if you think that having a problem with Ray Rice knocking his wife out cold on video is an issue that was manufactured by SJWs, then I dunno what to tell you. Pretty much every civilized member of society has a major problem with a guy knocking his wife out cold under any circumstances at all, let alone unprovoked.

Stop. Just stop. Realize who you are aligning yourself with, for crying out loud. You're being played for a sucker, and you're buying in, 100%.

Rice went through the court system, which should have been the end of it. Rice then had to deal with the idiotic Goodell and got a 2 game suspension on top of that, and that was more than should have happened, but it damned sure should have been the end of it.

That wasn't enough for the SJWs, though, and that's what I'm talking about.

Ring 6 · Sep 19, 2014

Deus Irae said:
The issue was manufactured, not the event. As has been pointed out a gazillion times, criminal behavior, including domestic violence, happens at a lower rate among NFL players than it does in the general population.

And SJWs suck for a whole host of reasons.

The issue is REAL women and children being abused. No one invented that, it is real.

Ring 6 · Sep 19, 2014

Deus Irae said:
Stop. Just stop. Realize who you are aligning yourself with, for crying out loud. You're being played for a sucker, and you're buying in, 100%.

Rice went through the court system, which should have been the end of it. Rice then had to deal with the idiotic Goodell and got a 2 game suspension on top of that, and that was more than should have happened, but it damned sure should have been the end of it.

That wasn't enough for the SJWs, though, and that's what I'm talking about.

So you are one of those that thinks smoking weed is a worse offense than knocking your wife out cold.
Employers all across this country fire people over moral issues. No one created that the fans, business partners, and advertisers of the NFL did not want to be associated with Ray Rice.

Ring 6 · Sep 19, 2014

Deus Irae said:
Stop. Just stop. Realize who you are aligning yourself with, for crying out loud. You're being played for a sucker, and you're buying in, 100%.

You should read your own words. You are aligning yourself with women and children beaters, and are being played for a sucker because they can play football.

Halifax_Pats_Fan · Sep 19, 2014

That Reggie ain't the sharpest tool in the shed....the witch hunt is on and he basically hopped on his broom and took it for a spin..."where I grow up"...we would say .wise or otherwise'...

DaBruinz · Sep 19, 2014

Deus Irae said:
Stop. Just stop. Realize who you are aligning yourself with, for crying out loud. You're being played for a sucker, and you're buying in, 100%.

Rice went through the court system, which should have been the end of it. Rice then had to deal with the idiotic Goodell and got a 2 game suspension on top of that, and that was more than should have happened, but it damned sure should have been the end of it.

That wasn't enough for the SJWs, though, and that's what I'm talking about.

So, because Rice has money and could game the system by "agreeing to a diversionary program that would allow him to clear his record" . That's an offer that most people would not get.

Furthermore, the disciplinary program has been in place since long before Goodell took over as Commissioner. You're BS claim that Rice shouldn't have gotten a suspension for his off-field antics shows that you are part of the issue here. Not the people you claim are SJWs..

JackBauer · Sep 19, 2014

BradyFTW! said:
Wow, just saw this on your edit. Do you think that was an SJW-invented issue too? Because last time I checked, knocking your wife unconscious was pretty universally regarded as a bad thing.

SJWs are doing really terrible stuff out in the world right now. From campaigning against fathers' custody rights, refusing to recognize that domestic abuse and rape actually are committed by women too and aren't just proof that men are inherently evil, all the way to redefining racism and sexism so that conveniently they'll always be the victim and never the perpetrator.

Example of why SJWs are hypocrites and don't actually care about their causes: where' the uproar over Hope Solo being allowed to play for Team USA after her recent domestic violence arrest (I believe she has multiple on her record)? Why isn't she getting the Adrian Peterson/Jonathan Dwyer treatment? Because SJWs don't actually care about the standards that they claim to uphold. All they care about is tearing the 'privileged' down.

That's why SJWs suck. Not because they have a problem with beating your one year old badly enough that you have to take special care not to leave marks, or because they think that knocking your wife out is a bad thing to do.

This is a rather banal point, but lumping this arrantly legitimate issue in with fringe SJW nontroversies does the entire debate a disservice, IMO.

BradyFTW! · Sep 19, 2014

JackBauer said:
This is a rather banal point, but lumping this arrantly legitimate issue in with fringe SJW nontroversies does the entire debate a disservice, IMO.

The point that I was trying to make was that this is not a SJW issue precisely because it is legitimate, so I think we agree on that? Maybe I'm misreading your point, or maybe I didn't make mine clearly enough.

SalemPats · Sep 19, 2014

With Rice and AP the evidence was on video/pictures, it will be tougher with other players when players can't get charged, investigations take a long time, etc...Roger better be careful what he's getting into, when you try and cast stones beware of the reprecussions

JackBauer · Sep 19, 2014

BradyFTW! said:
The point that I was trying to make was that this is not a SJW issue precisely because it is legitimate, so I think we agree on that? Maybe I'm misreading your point, or maybe I didn't make mine clearly enough.

No, I'm agreeing with you in a somewhat roundabout way.

BradyFTW! · Sep 19, 2014

JackBauer said:
No, I'm agreeing with you in a somewhat roundabout way.

Ahh, right on - definitely a misreading on my part then. Thanks for the clarification.

ctpatsfan77 · Sep 19, 2014

DaBruinz said:
For you to claim that the "issue was manufactured" is laughable. It doesn't matter one bit that criminal behavior is lower amongst NFL players than the general population. It's still criminal behaviour. And it clearly wasn't given the same attention that it would have been if YOU had knocked your wife out.

Here is a good article to read on the whole topic..
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-rate-of-domestic-violence-arrests-among-nfl-players/

domestic violence accounts for 48 percent of arrests for violent crimes among NFL players, , compared to our estimated 21 percent nationally.

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To be fair, I think that stat makes the situation look worse than it is. To take an extreme case, if the NFL cleaned up all violent crimes except domestic violence, then 100% of NFL arrests for violent crimes would be for domestic violence. But that doesn't change the fact that NFL players have an arrest rate that is about half the rate for all arrests nationwide.

On the other hand, though, I'm not sure how useful the arrest rate for domestic violence is as a measure of how often it occurs among NFL players versus the general population. Many cases go unreported, and I wouldn't be surprised if the proportion of unreported cases among the very-well-paid NFL players (relative to the national average) is a lot higher than in the general population.

BradyFTW! · Sep 19, 2014

Deus Irae said:
Stop. Just stop. Realize who you are aligning yourself with, for crying out loud. You're being played for a sucker, and you're buying in, 100%.

Rice went through the court system, which should have been the end of it. Rice then had to deal with the idiotic Goodell and got a 2 game suspension on top of that, and that was more than should have happened, but it damned sure should have been the end of it.

That wasn't enough for the SJWs, though, and that's what I'm talking about.

Nope, you've got it backward. I'm exactly what fringe, crazy fundamentalists can't stand: someone who disagrees with a lot of their ideology, but for real reasons and with an actual sense of perspective.

You're their best friend. You--as someone who thinks that wifebeating and childbeating are SJW-manufactured nonissues--are how they characterize anyone and everyone who disagrees with them. You're the walking stereotype that gives them a free pass from accountability for the actually crazy stuff that they advocate.

BradyFTW! · Sep 19, 2014

ctpatsfan77 said:
To be fair, I think that stat makes the situation look worse than it is. To take an extreme case, if the NFL cleaned up all violent crimes except domestic violence, then 100% of NFL arrests for violent crimes would be for domestic violence. But that doesn't change the fact that NFL players have an arrest rate that is about half the rate for all arrests nationwide.

On the other hand, though, I'm not sure how useful the arrest rate for domestic violence is as a measure of how often it occurs among NFL players versus the general population. Many cases go unreported, and I wouldn't be surprised if the proportion of unreported cases among the very-well-paid NFL players (relative to the national average) is a lot higher than in the general population.

Also, many states have requirements that, when police report to a domestic violence call, an arrest must be made. So if you're willing to take as fact that celebrities tend to get preferential treatment from law enforcement, this disparity could make total sense. Basically, police are handcuffed in these cases, and can't 'let it slide' like they may in many other cases since they legally have to make an arrest.

That's just one of many plausible explanations. It could also be that populations of 20-30 year old men who hit people for a living and have a ton of money and steroids are more likely to fly off the handle and get violent, and are most likely to be at home when they do it. Or maybe you could point to the fact that NFL players (like AP) are disproportionately likely to have grown up without positive father figures, so they're less likely to be good husband/fathers and are more likely to perpetuate the cycle of abuse that many of them (like AP) grew up with.

In short, there are a lot of plausible reasons why NFL players would be getting disproportionately arrested for domestic violence compared to other crimes.

SHOWTIME15 · Sep 19, 2014

*Breaking News*

Mike Florio of profootballtalk is reporting that authorities in Colorodo are investigating Peyton Manning for abuse. Peyton's daughter told her schoolteacher that her father made her watch her father's performance in super bowl 44 and super bowl 48.

Deus Irae · Sep 19, 2014

BradyFTW! said:
Nope, you've got it backward. I'm exactly what fringe, crazy fundamentalists can't stand: someone who disagrees with a lot of their ideology, but for real reasons and with an actual sense of perspective.

You're their best friend. You--as someone who thinks that wifebeating and childbeating are SJW-manufactured nonissues--are how they characterize anyone and everyone who disagrees with them. You're the walking stereotype that gives them a free pass from accountability for the actually crazy stuff that they advocate.

You continue to make my point. I didn't defend Rice, Peterson, or Bush in this thread. Nobody has defended Bush, Rice or Peterson in this thread. I pointed out that the SJWs were using the Rice incident to manufacture a situation. You bought their crap.

The stereotype is you. The stereotypical sucker who lets emotion rule over reason.

We're done here.

Brady_to_Moss · Sep 19, 2014

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