Where does Browner fit in when he comes back?

Brady_to_Moss · Sep 18, 2014

Right to #2?....75% of snaps working his way up to game speed somewhat similar?

Not like he is signed for chump change. Wonder who will see their playing time drop off

Joey007 · Sep 18, 2014

I know he won't because it's been said many times he's going to be a corner, but I'd love to see him at the SS position. I just drool at the thought of him playing a Chancellor type role in the middle of our defense and thumping guys in the middle of the field.

I know it's not that simple but still..

supafly · Sep 18, 2014

Excellent question.

I assume that he'll be slowly blended in, so there will be a rotation for the first 2-3-4 games.

tmajr3 · Sep 19, 2014

Joey007 said:
I know he won't because it's been said many times he's going to be a corner, but I'd love to see him at the SS position. I just drool at the thought of him playing a Chancellor type role in the middle of our defense and thumping guys in the middle of the field.

I know it's not that simple but still..

This.

Wish we had an Eric Reid type safety. A guy who just punishes people over the middle

Tunescribe · Sep 19, 2014

I think he'll be rotated in and out situationally at corner, won't be a full-timer like Revis.

hwc · Sep 19, 2014

He will be the press corner on the team. He'll rotate into packages that call for physical press coverage opposite Revis. Dennard and/or Logan Ryan will get more of the zone looks. With the prevalence of nickle and dime packages, there will be plenty of snaps for all of them.

Brady_to_Moss · Sep 19, 2014

I can see him on the field a lot vs Broncos because of Thomas. (TE)

ctpatsfan77 · Sep 19, 2014

I think at least 29 other teams wished they had that problem.

PatFanCraig · Sep 19, 2014

Browner is going to be playing some SS, he already discussed it with Bill. Mostly press cornerback and expected to erase TEs like Julian Thomas and Dennis Pitta or big possession type WRs. I think a combination of press cornerback lined up on TEs and possession WRs and some SS is awesome for him. When lined up at SS he is far better in coverage and zone than Chancellor. At 6'3 1/2 225lbs he is a good thumping hitter but not quite the blow up hitter of Chancellor but he is far superior in coverage with better zone ball skills. Most fans don't think Browner is any good playing off coverage but just watch his personal highlights and legion of boom highlights, he is freaking awesome playing in zones and off coverage. His hits are feared and he closes fast with great ball skills. With his press ability, ball skills,instincts and closing skills and big thumping hitting he would redefine what a prototype SS should be if he played there full time. I dunno where assumptions came from he can only play press and can't play off or zone because he is very good in zone and off coverage with great instincts,ball skills, and closing ability. Oh almost forgot he can really lay the wood and intimidate WRs. He is going to be an awesome all around Dback and bring an attitude and identity to the secondary. With him back when he is lined up at SS in a 4-3 I would like to see Chung get a shot at cover run chase hit weak side linebacker. He is about 6'0 and has to be near 220 lbs already. He is not strong in coverage for a safety but would be good in coverage for a LB. He already looks like a safety LB hybrid. He would only need to fill out several lbs to to about 225-230lb cover run hit linebacker. He takes on blocks very well and is a sure tackler and big hitter. If he bulked up to 225-230 he would be an intimidating LB covering the short range middle. Browner lining up at SS and Chung at weak side LB is a formation that really maximizes speed,coverage,and intimidating hitting. They need a fast 225-230 lb cover LB anyway since the failure of James Anderson. Collins is to long and explosive a blitzer to be used at weak side run stuffing cover chase hit LB. A 6'0 225-230 lb linebacker is prototype for that role. I liked Telvin Smith but Chung could have a niche. I don't think he has much of a future at SS. Once Harmon succeeds him I don't see anybody signing him for SS. A move to LB would keep him in the NFL.

tmajr3 · Sep 19, 2014

I remember when the Pats first got him some users were talking about putting him on TEs or big physical receivers. I think that's his best use IMO.

Maybe having him manhandle Some of the great WRs we play with help over the top to give Revis a breather

supafly · Sep 19, 2014

PatFanCraig said:
Browner is going to be playing some SS, he already discussed it with Bill. Mostly press cornerback and expected to erase TEs like Julian Thomas and Dennis Pitta or big possession type WRs. I think a combination of press cornerback lined up on TEs and possession WRs and some SS is awesome for him. When lined up at SS he is far better in coverage and zone than Chancellor. At 6'3 1/2 225lbs he is a good thumping hitter but not quite the blow up hitter of Chancellor but he is far superior in coverage with better zone ball skills. Most fans don't think Browner is any good playing off coverage but just watch his personal highlights and legion of boom highlights, he is freaking awesome playing in zones and off coverage. His hits are feared and he closes fast with great ball skills. With his press ability, ball skills,instincts and closing skills and big thumping hitting he would redefine what a prototype SS should be if he played there full time. I dunno where assumptions came from he can only play press and can't play off or zone because he is very good in zone and off coverage with great instincts,ball skills, and closing ability. Oh almost forgot he can really lay the wood and intimidate WRs. He is going to be an awesome all around Dback and bring an attitude and identity to the secondary. With him back when he is lined up at SS in a 4-3 I would like to see Chung get a shot at cover run chase hit weak side linebacker. He is about 6'0 and has to be near 220 lbs already. He is not strong in coverage for a safety but would be good in coverage for a LB. He already looks like a safety LB hybrid. He would only need to fill out several lbs to to about 225-230lb cover run hit linebacker. He takes on blocks very well and is a sure tackler and big hitter. If he bulked up to 225-230 he would be an intimidating LB covering the short range middle. Browner lining up at SS and Chung at weak side LB is a formation that really maximizes speed,coverage,and intimidating hitting

I don't know where you're getting your information, but Belichick spoke quite the opposite, as did Browner's old coach--Pete Caroll.

Brandon Browner at safety would be a horrible use of his skillset, as he'd get blown away. He loses effectiveness in coverage the further he gets away from the receiver, much like Kyle Arrington.

The idea is to have him use his size and physicality to jam the man close to the LOS, which will throw off the timing of the route.

patsfan-1982 · Sep 19, 2014

by the time he gets back the pats will be facing a lot of great pass offense so he will see the field a lot

hwc · Sep 19, 2014

Browner's skills are jamming WR at the line, routing them to the sidelines where only difficult passes over a tall CB can be thrown to them, with safety help over the top. Those skills aren't very useful for covering tight ends or for playing safety.

Browner will be used when you want to take away the quick outside pass, something that fits nicely with a pressure rush package.

PatFanCraig · Sep 19, 2014

supafly said:
I don't know where you're getting your information, but Belichick spoke quite the opposite, as did Browner's old coach--Pete Caroll.

Brandon Browner at safety would be a horrible use of his skillset, as he'd get blown away. He loses effectiveness in coverage the further he gets away from the receiver, much like Kyle Arrington.

The idea is to have him use his size and physicality to jam the man close to the LOS, which will throw off the timing of the route.

I actually don't know where the ideas came from that he can't play off or he is only good for jamming. I can garuntee anybody he would not have been in the pro bowl if pressing is all he was good at. Watch all the legion/boom highlights he is very good playing off,zone,allowing separation and then closing for a hit,into, or breakup. He has very good plant and drive and closing quickness. His only weakness is actually trying to stay in WRs hip pocket and play tight with speedy WRs. After 15-20 yards or so a speed WR hits the Xtra gear and gets separation. Watch Highlights, Browner is fine playing off or zone. FS he wouldn't have long range to do that well but SS he would play close to the line stuff the run, cover the TE, and close in on short passes and hit. As for arrington such is all around terrible. He actually may be OK in pure zone because he can tackle and has range to close. Bill even said arrington could fill In for FS if needed, he can't press at all nor can he cover deep. He is supposed to be able to short range routes but he is a total waste. If all Browner could do is press at the line I would preferred bill signed DRC instead of Browner and arrington. But Browner made a ton of plays playing off. I don't even know why Arrington is on the payroll. Another loser thought he could get cheap production from that sux. Arrington, Lafail, combined their salary could be an impact player like, Decker,Sanders,DRC,Veldheer,mack

jsull87 · Sep 19, 2014

Brady_to_Moss said:
Right to #2?....75% of snaps working his way up to game speed somewhat similar?

Not like he is signed for chump change. Wonder who will see their playing time drop off

Personally i recon it will be Ebner who see's his snaps go down. I's rather have Browner play that Hybrid LB/S role than Ebner as you'd have to wager he has superior cover skills in general.

Having Ryan, Dennard, Revis, McCourty and browner out there as much as possible IMO means good things for this Defense.

supafly · Sep 19, 2014

PatFanCraig said:
I actually don't know where the ideas came from that he can't play off or he is only good for jamming. I can garuntee anybody he would not have been in the pro bowl if pressing is all he was good at. Watch all the legion/boom highlights he is very good playing off,zone,allowing separation and then closing for a hit,into, or breakup. He has very good plant and drive and closing quickness. His only weakness is actually trying to stay in WRs hip pocket and play tight with speedy WRs. After 15-20 yards or so a speed WR hits the Xtra gear and gets separation. Watch Highlights, Browner is fine playing off or zone. FS he wouldn't have long range to do that well but SS he would play close to the line stuff the run, cover the TE, and close in on short passes and hit. As for arrington such is all around terrible. He actually may be OK in pure zone because he can tackle and has range to close. Bill even said arrington could fill In for FS if needed, he can't press at all nor can he cover deep. He is supposed to be able to short range routes but he is a total waste. If all Browner could do is press at the line I would preferred bill signed DRC instead of Browner and arrington. But Browner made a ton of plays playing off. I don't even know why Arrington is on the payroll. Another loser thought he could get cheap production from that sux. Arrington, Lafail, combined their salary could be an impact player like, Decker,Sanders,DRC,Veldheer,mack

Obviously, anything's possible, but I'm just pointing out the fact that we've had the discussion of Browner playing safety about 100x since the spring, and that there have been links, quotes from Belichick, and articles written that strongly suggest Brandon Browner being signed here to play the position of CB.

supafly · Sep 19, 2014

hwc said:
Browner's skills are jamming WR at the line, routing them to the sidelines where only difficult passes over a tall CB can be thrown to them, with safety help over the top. Those skills aren't very useful for covering tight ends or for playing safety.

Browner will be used when you want to take away the quick outside pass, something that fits nicely with a pressure rush package.

See, I agree with your assessment 100%.

I believe that there was a popular misconception (or that it seems to still exist on some level) that suggests that he'd be a good choice at safety.

hwc · Sep 19, 2014

I can't take credit for the assessment. It's what he does, according to people who would know like Bill Belichick, Pat Kirwin, Pete Carroll, etc. Kirwin (who is a very close friend of Pete Carroll) has talked extensively about Browner's skill set, in particular, and Carroll's approach to CB play in general (or example, why Sherman doesn't switch sides of the field).

Browner's game is to take away everything but the sideline fade route, which is a very dangerous pass to lob over a 6'4" defender. That's what he does. Press man at the line. He's not a "cover corner" like Revis. He's not a safety. He's not a hybrid LB. He doesn't cover tight ends. He handcuff WRs at the line of scrimmage and hits like a ton of bricks setting the edge (see Wes Welker getting blowed up).

His skill set is particularly useful to NE, according to Kirwin, because the Pats can leave Revis on an island and rotate the rest of the coverage behind Browner, allowing him to be very aggressive in what he does best. If he gets beat at the line, the safeties are shifted over to guard against the deep ball (the big risk of press man coverage).

The Pats don't need him to play nickle or guard the slot receiver. They are unusually deep at corners who are experienced doing that -- Arrington, Logan, etc.

Interception · Sep 19, 2014

PatFanCraig said:
Browner is going to be playing some SS, he already discussed it with Bill. Mostly press cornerback and expected to erase TEs like Julian Thomas and Dennis Pitta or big possession type WRs. I think a combination of press cornerback lined up on TEs and possession WRs and some SS is awesome for him. When lined up at SS he is far better in coverage and zone than Chancellor. At 6'3 1/2 225lbs he is a good thumping hitter but not quite the blow up hitter of Chancellor but he is far superior in coverage with better zone ball skills. Most fans don't think Browner is any good playing off coverage but just watch his personal highlights and legion of boom highlights, he is freaking awesome playing in zones and off coverage. His hits are feared and he closes fast with great ball skills. With his press ability, ball skills,instincts and closing skills and big thumping hitting he would redefine what a prototype SS should be if he played there full time. I dunno where assumptions came from he can only play press and can't play off or zone because he is very good in zone and off coverage with great instincts,ball skills, and closing ability. Oh almost forgot he can really lay the wood and intimidate WRs. He is going to be an awesome all around Dback and bring an attitude and identity to the secondary. With him back when he is lined up at SS in a 4-3 I would like to see Chung get a shot at cover run chase hit weak side linebacker. He is about 6'0 and has to be near 220 lbs already. He is not strong in coverage for a safety but would be good in coverage for a LB. He already looks like a safety LB hybrid. He would only need to fill out several lbs to to about 225-230lb cover run hit linebacker. He takes on blocks very well and is a sure tackler and big hitter. If he bulked up to 225-230 he would be an intimidating LB covering the short range middle. Browner lining up at SS and Chung at weak side LB is a formation that really maximizes speed,coverage,and intimidating hitting. They need a fast 225-230 lb cover LB anyway since the failure of James Anderson. Collins is to long and explosive a blitzer to be used at weak side run stuffing cover chase hit LB. A 6'0 225-230 lb linebacker is prototype for that role. I liked Telvin Smith but Chung could have a niche. I don't think he has much of a future at SS. Once Harmon succeeds him I don't see anybody signing him for SS. A move to LB would keep him in the NFL.

He discussed it with bill? How do you know that?

hwc · Sep 19, 2014

Interception said:
He discussed it with bill? How do you know that?

Who discussed it with Bill? Pat Kirwin? I didn't say that, although he probably did when he spent a day at the Pat's training camp. He goes back a ways with Belichick, too. Some things are just obvious to coaches and pro personnel guys.

He is intimately familiar with Carroll's thinking on DBs, including (of course) Browner. Seattle's entire secondary is built around press coverage, routing the WRs on both sides to the sidelines. It's why they don't have CB switch sides of the field -- very specific skills involved in using the sideline to help. They practice the techniques on one side or the other. They are very good at it. So they stay on that side.

If Belichick didn't want Browner's specific skill set, he wouldn't have signed him.

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