all 22 film shows Brady is not utilizing all of his weapons

Deus Irae · Sep 17, 2014

Let's look at it another way. Is Gronk/Edelman getting 13 of 22 targets really something that's way out of wack under the current circumstances?

His passer rating is the highest when throwing to Edelman (137.8) while Gronkowski (78.6) and Dobson (70.8) fall in line after that. Brady’s numbers are poor when throwing to Thompkins (59.2), Amendola (56.3) and LaFell (39.6), who has yet to catch a pass in six targets.

http://www.providencejournal.com/sp...ers-understand-urgent-need-to-get-in-sync.ece

JMC00 · Sep 17, 2014

Rob0729 said:
It is funny how much people are going overboard with the offense thing. The first half of the first game, half the media were gush about the embarrassment of receiving options Brady has this year. By the end of the game, people were talking about what is wrong with the offense.

This week, the Pats focused on running the ball and a more game management offense with a sizeable lead most of the second half where Brady only threw 22 times and now people are talking about Brady's demeanor at the press conference (the new Brady's sideline demeanor) and how Brady locked in on his binkies.

People are already ready to bury LaFell, Dobson, and Wright as busts.

The Pats have played two games. One game the offense was great one half awful the other one. The other game, the offense was decent playing more of a game managing offense. The offense obviously needs to get better, but the media is going way overboard with all the problems with it.

Posted this early but screw it gonna repeat it.

36 of 53 (67.9%)
351 Yards
2 TD *
98.8 QB Rating

That's Brady this season when you take that terrible 2nd half in Miami. This is just a completely overblown thing because the sports media (particularly the boston one) has to find something to complain about.

*Could have 4 TD if he wanted to be like the Stat-Monger Manning and thrown 2 TD inside the 5 yard line instead of hand the ball off to Vereen and Ridley. 4 of Manning's 6 TD were thrown inside the 5 yard line.

Ring 6 · Sep 17, 2014

Deus Irae said:
Let's look at it another way. Is Gronk/Edelman getting 13 of 22 targets really something that's way out of wack under the current circumstances?

http://www.providencejournal.com/sp...ers-understand-urgent-need-to-get-in-sync.ece

Context is necessary. If Edelman and Gronk are getting targetted as the 1st read, and the others are getting targetted as the last read, its not apples to apples.
If I throw to one player because hes open and another because no one is open, you can compare the results and call that the quality of the receiver.
Of course we also need to include what routes were run, and other factors.

Urgent · Sep 17, 2014

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt

The Patriots are facing Derek Carr this week, who is in 33rd place out of 35 in terms of QB yards per attempt.

However, player #35 on that list might warrant a double take. That would be Tom Brady with 5.10 yards per attempt. Compared to Andy Dalton with 9.07 per attempt.

That is a stunning stat.
13 slots behind Geno Smith.
24 players behind EJ Manuel.

Only two games, but clearly something's wrong.

Deus Irae · Sep 17, 2014

Urgent said:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt

The Patriots are facing Derek Carr this week, who is in 33rd place out of 35 in terms of QB yards per attempt.

However, player #35 on that list might warrant a double take. That would be Tom Brady with 5.10 yards per attempt. Compared to Andy Dalton with 9.07 per attempt.

That is a stunning stat.
13 slots behind Geno Smith.
24 players behind EJ Manuel.

Only two games, but clearly something's wrong.

They sucked in Miami, and people are looking at a small sample size. That's what's wrong.

JMC00 · Sep 17, 2014

Urgent said:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/yardsPerPassAttempt

The Patriots are facing Derek Carr this week, who is in 33rd place out of 35 in terms of QB yards per attempt.

However, player #35 on that list might warrant a double take. That would be Tom Brady with 5.10 yards per attempt. Compared to Andy Dalton with 9.07 per attempt.

That is a stunning stat.
13 slots behind Geno Smith.
24 players behind EJ Manuel.

Only two games, but clearly something's wrong.

Ya it's the friggen 2nd half in Miami

Brady6 · Sep 17, 2014

Edelman has caught 12 of 15 targets, which an 80% completion percentage, he averages 14.7 yards a catch, has 8 first downs, and 1 touchdown. You would have to really stupid to suggest Brady throws to Edelman were poor decisions this season. If anything I hope he gets targeted more.

Also Edelman receives 19.2% of Brady's targets, which is down from 25% last season, and down from the 27% Welker received during his tenure.

mgteich · Sep 17, 2014

SalemPats said:
Gronk/Edelman/Vereen are the three best options for Brady. That will stay that way, what we need is a Deion Branch type who can play on the outside and be a possession guy. We all want a Randy Moss back, but realistically we just need someone to get 4-6 receptions a game outside of the big 3 and can get the physical type of catches (curls, outs, etc...)

Before I comment, I want to give you a chance to clarify. Is it your position that all that the patriots need in the passing game in addition to the "big three (Edelman, Gronk and Vereen)" is a downfield receiver to catch 4-6 balls per game?

p8ryts · Sep 17, 2014

RIpats88 said:
http://patspub.patsfans.com/2014/09/16/all-22-look-says-brady-not-using-all-his-weapons/

surprised no one has brought up this article. and this confirms what I have thought all along. Brady has developed a bad habit of only looking/passing to his "binkies" the past few years rather than just passing to the open guy.

he needs to get over this and start spreading the ball around if he expects the offense to get better. and it starts with HIM IMO...forcing balls to gronk/edelman when they are double covered is not the best option when you may have amendola or dobson wide open

My problem is that when you see replays Brady was staring down the receiver and making the throw (to Edelman). So if he doesn't look at others as the first option then he is restricting the offense himself. We were successful so I don't think he should be so publicly disappointed. His post game demeanor was out of place.

Mlink · Sep 17, 2014

Half these plays show the "open guy" after the ball has been thrown to the other side of the field. Brady can definitely lock in on guys at times but I think he made the correct read in all of the plays in the article.

I would like to see the 3rd and 2 play where Brady threw a low percentage go route down the sideline to Minitron. Feels like he is forcing down the field and not taking the high percentage throws if anything...also what happened to our screen game?

PP2 · Sep 17, 2014

Deus Irae said:
That's not a key portion. It's a statement about overall game plan, as opposed to implementation. And Brady's comment is something we'd expect him to say. As I said, you're trying to say "a" = "not a".

Either McDaniels is lying to cover for Brady, or Brady wasn't a problem. Either is possible, but it's one or the other, not both.

Why is it an either-or proposition? There are more options, including considering the possibility that McD is dropping a hint. Maybe I missed something but I don't see how it must be either 1) McD is lying, or 2) Brady isn't the problem.

Deus Irae said:
Brady's decisionmaking - I don’t think it was a case of Tom [Brady] misreading the coverage or looking even at a specific direction.

Are you saying that Brady's being called out for reading the right coverage, going through the right progressions, and knowingly throwing to his favorites even if it's the wrong move?

In the "earlier statement" you quoted, the key word is "sometimes," as in not all the time.

Brady nearly always reads the right coverage, but he can be spooked into skipping his reads unnecessarily, especially if he feels his OL will not give him any time.

Balestrieri has certainly proven that with his all-22 stills, showing that Brady clearly passed up better options just to target his "favorites."

PP2 · Sep 17, 2014

Mlink said:
Half these plays show the "open guy" after the ball has been thrown to the other side of the field. Brady can definitely lock in on guys at times but I think he made the correct read in all of the plays in the article.

No he didn't.

Unless you agree that it was better to dump the ball to a bracketed Edelman on a short route and pass up Amendola who has inside leverage on a go route with the high safety shading to the open side?

Deus Irae · Sep 17, 2014

PP2 said:
Why is it an either-or proposition? There are more options, including considering the possibility that McD is dropping a hint. Maybe I missed something but I don't see how it must be either 1) McD is lying, or 2) Brady isn't the problem.

Because McDaniels is saying that Brady made the right reads and wasn't locking on.

I don’t think it was a case of Tom [Brady] misreading the coverage or looking even at a specific direction

It can't be both that he IS doing it and he IS NOT doing it. That's "A" = "Not A".

PP2 said:
In the "earlier statement" you quoted, the key word is "sometimes," as in not all the time.

Brady nearly always reads the right coverage, but he can be spooked into skipping his reads unnecessarily, especially if he feels his OL will not give him any time.

Balestrieri has certainly proven that with his all-22 stills, showing that Brady clearly passed up better options just to target his "favorites."

Balestrieri proved nothing other than his inability to properly use the all-22, as I've already demonstrated.

JMC00 · Sep 17, 2014

PP2 said:
Balestrieri has certainly proven that with his all-22 stills, showing that Brady clearly passed up better options just to target his "favorites."

I mean he doesn't but that's your opinion

PP2 · Sep 17, 2014

Deus Irae said:
Because McDaniels is saying that Brady made the right reads and wasn't locking on.

I don't agree with this assessment. A lot of other things could be read into what he said.

Deus Irae said:
It can't be both that he IS doing it and he IS NOT doing it. That's "A" = "Not A".

Again I don't agree. He made an open-ended statement, for example he could have said that and then followed it up with pretty much anything else:

I don’t think it was a case of Tom [Brady] misreading the coverage or looking even at a specific direction, he was just hurrying through his reads because he was spooked

Deus Irae said:
Balestrieri proved nothing other than his inability to properly use the all-22, as I've already demonstrated.

Can you please refer me to where you demonstrated that? I must have missed it.

rochrist · Sep 17, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
The pass he COMPLETED to Dobson???
Btw, Dobson is one of the guys people are claiming he ignored.

There was also an incompletion to Dobson when he was pretty much covered like a blanket.

skspikex2 · Sep 17, 2014

Brady is fine. I just want the offense to stop committing dumb penalties. Holding, OPI, false start, more HOLDING... penalties kill a lot of momentum.

PP2 · Sep 17, 2014

JMC00 said:
I mean he doesn't but that's your opinion

He doesn't do a good job of explaining, that part is true.

Deus Irae · Sep 17, 2014

PP2 said:
I don't agree with this assessment. A lot of other things could be read into what he said.

Plain English. Sorry.

PP2 said:
Again I don't agree. He made an open-ended statement, for example he could have said that and then followed it up with pretty much anything else:

Again. Plain English. Sorry.

PP2 said:
Can you please refer me to where you demonstrated that? I must have missed it.

It's earlier in the thread, but it would be a waste of your time. If you can't grasp the plain English of

I don’t think it was a case of Tom [Brady] misreading the coverage or looking even at a specific direction

you'll never grasp linebackers in the way, QBs on the ground, or play-to-play hypocrisy by the author, because you won't want to. As I noted, McDaniels could be lying. Brady could be getting it right. It can't be both, because McDaniels has said that Brady didn't get it wrong.

The fact that Brady took the receivers into the film room to make sure that they were on the right page supports this even further.

Here's the link about the pics, though:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...zing-all-of-his-weapons.1112094/#post-3910232

edit: Follow up. Here's Jeff Howe...

Went through Pats-Vikings tape: Amendola was on the field for 9 of 23 pass plays. Didn't count a single time Brady should've targeted him.

https://twitter.com/jeffphowe/status/512324683019325441

JMC00 · Sep 17, 2014

rochrist said:
There was also an incompletion to Dobson when he was pretty much covered like a blanket.

You mean when Xavier Rhodes was bear hugging him and got flagged for pass interference ?

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