Kelcy Quarles

ausbacker said:

Feel free to fly to Australia and come work on this strategic report with me. That should free up some of my time to thoroughly search Patsfans to appease you.

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I didn't go on the tirade about people thinking Jones should be a starter, you did. If you're going to make a point strongly, you should be prepared to back it up. Otherwise you have about as much credibility as the Commissioner.

My personal opinion on Chris Jones:

1. He was a good pick up off the waiver wire, and filled in decently last year given his draft/waiver status and lack of preseason experience with the team.
2. Chris Jones >> Joe Vellano.
3. He was better as a situational 3-tech than as a full time starter, where he was overmatched. I certainly wouldn't want him to be a starter unless we were in duress.
4. Decent low-cost bottom of the roster guys are not to be despised, but they are certainly upgradeable. We should value Jones right up to the time where we find a better alternative.

Feel free to flame against that if you disagree with it. At least you shouldn't have to look to hard to find it.

mayoclinic said:

I didn't go on the tirade about people thinking Jones should be a starter, you did. If you're going to make a point strongly, you should be prepared to back it up. Otherwise you have about as much credibility as the Commissioner.

My personal opinion on Chris Jones:

1. He was a good pick up off the waiver wire, and filled in decently last year given his draft/waiver status and lack of preseason experience with the team.
2. Chris Jones >> Joe Vellano.
3. He was better as a situational 3-tech than as a full time starter, where he was overmatched. I certainly wouldn't want him to be a starter unless we were in duress.
4. Decent low-cost bottom of the roster guys are not to be despised, but they are certainly upgradeable. We should value Jones right up to the time where we find a better alternative.

Feel free to flame against that if you disagree with it. At least you shouldn't have to look to hard to find it.

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You know what @mayoclinic, I spent 5 minutes searching for it any couldn't find what I had read. There is a very real possibility I read it in an article as a part of the Tommy Kelly fallout. Happy to concede that I am probably wrong in this instance.

Now, if you're done with your passive-aggressiveness, I don't have an issue with your opinion other than I don't believe Jones was better than average last season. That said, he is an upgrade over Vellano as you correctly point out.

ausbacker said:

You know what @mayoclinic, I spent 5 minutes searching for it any couldn't find what I had read. There is a very real possibility I read it in an article. Happy to concede that I am probably wrong in this instance.

Now, if you're done with your passive-aggressiveness, I don't have an issue with your opinion other than I don't believe Jones was better than average last season. That said, he is an upgrade over Vellano as you correctly point out.

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I'm not being passive aggressive. I've never had anything but respect for you. You made a very strong statement, and it seemed at odds with what I recalled, so I politely asked for clarification, and I felt like you flipped me the bird. That kind of pissed me off. Marqui made a strong statement last week about people saying claiming that Joe Vellano would replace Tommy Kelly and I asked for a reference and he provided it, and I thanked him for clarifying things.

I think that the expectations for a 6th round pick who has been cut twice and is picked up off the waiver wire should be very low. I think that Jones exceeded those low initial expectations last year, particularly initially when he was used as a 3-tech in sub situations and amassed around 5 sacks. He was clearly overmatched as a base DT, but he did his best under bad circumstances. "Average" is probably about right, but I don't despise him for that. I certainly don't want him as a starter. There are always people with outlying viewpoints, but I just don't recall many people feeling differently, and I would be interested if that were the case.

mayoclinic said:

I'm not being passive aggressive. I've never had anything but respect for you. You made a very strong statement, and it seemed at odds with what I recalled, so I politely asked for clarification, and I felt like you flipped me the bird. That kind of pissed me off. Marqui made a strong statement last week about people saying claiming that Joe Vellano would replace Tommy Kelly and I asked for a reference and he provided it, and I thanked him for clarifying things.

I think that the expectations for a 6th round pick who has been cut twice and is picked up off the waiver wire should be very low. I think that Jones exceeded those low initial expectations last year, particularly initially when he was used as a 3-tech in sub situations and amassed around 5 sacks. He was clearly overmatched as a base DT, but he did his best under bad circumstances. "Average" is probably about right, but I don't despise him for that. I certainly don't want him as a starter. There are always people with outlying viewpoints, but I just don't recall many people feeling differently, and I would be interested if that were the case.

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@mayoclinic, the fault is mine. I didn't pay you the respect and courtesy that you deserved and should have responded appropriately.

ausbacker said:

@mayoclinic, the fault is mine. I didn't pay you the respect and courtesy that you deserved and should have responded appropriately.

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We probably both over reacted. Let's share it 50-50 and call it quits.

Quarles is absent again what in the world is going on with him?

ChrisR2223 said:

Quarles is absent again what in the world is going on with him?

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Maybe he's on that penal colony called Australia.

Colts signed Quarles off the Pats PS.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Colts-sign-Kelcy-Quarles-cut-Dion-Lewis.html

Bobs My Uncle said:

Colts signed Quarles off the Pats PS.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Colts-sign-Kelcy-Quarles-cut-Dion-Lewis.html

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If Quarles ends up a better defensive tackle long term than Vellano, I'll be pissed.

That's a shame. For a team trying to move back to a 3-4, he was the only prototype 3-4 DE on the entire roster.

That said, he's already been released a bunch of times for a player with those measurables.

damn it I knew as soon as Jones went down I knew it I knew he was going to be plucked.

ATippett56 said:

If Quarles ends up a better defensive tackle long term than Vellano, I'll be pissed.

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I won't be. Vellano is a CURRENTLY a backup who is capable of starting. That is what we need to have the best chance to win in 2014. We have FOUR defensive tackles that are recovering from injuries. It is important to have a backup (hopefully usually inactive) that is ready to go NOW.

I would note that we have added Skinner instead of Fleming or Quarles. It is clear that Belichick considers Skinner much more ready to play. Fleming got one rep against Miami. Skinner was the starter in the base defense.

IMHO, there is a separate argument with regard to which players should be carried as developmental players, with no expectation of 2014 contributions. We are carrying Moore. Some would have liked us to also carry Worthy or Quarles. Belichick has chosen instead to go with 14 front seven defensive players, using the position(s) on special teams (specifically on a couple of safeties).

Personally, I would have preferred keeping Fleming instead of one of the safeties.

Who and what says Quarles isn't ready to play?

ChrisR2223 said:

Who and what says Quarles isn't ready to play?

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It is Belichick who thinks that Skinner is more ready to play than Fleming or Quarles.

It is Belichick who thinks that Quarles is NOT more valuable that an additional ST/S. After all, we have SIX safeties.

We all have our binkies. Personally, I have no reason to believe that Quarles is more ready than Skinner.

The binkiedom of Quarles is related to his outstanding measurables (6-4, 297, 4.95 40, 7.6 3-cone), his outstanding stats (9.5 sacks last year), and his potential fit as a 3-4 DE on a team lacking players of that profile. No more Tommy Kelly, Armand Armstead, etc.

There must be some attitude issue or learning potential that prevented him from being drafted or making a 53-man roster before now - something we wouldn't have much insight into.

mgteich said:

Vellano is a CURRENTLY a backup who is capable of starting.

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You've got to be kidding.

Quarles should not have been left exposed on the PS, IMO. But it's not the end of the world.

ATippett56 said:

If Quarles ends up a better defensive tackle long term than Vellano, I'll be pissed.

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If? I can promise you he will. We should have matched the signing I am sure Quarles could have handled the 2 snaps Vellano played last week and long term he had a ton of potential. I am disappointed to see this.

mgteich said:

It is Belichick who thinks that Skinner is more ready to play than Fleming or Quarles.

It is Belichick who thinks that Quarles is NOT more valuable that an additional ST/S. After all, we have SIX safeties.

We all have our binkies. Personally, I have no reason to believe that Quarles is more ready than Skinner.

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Sometimes I think you look at things a little to black and white, Skinner was signed to the roster only because of the Collins injury, he was a need, Fleming was not an inside LB he is a OLB/DE type player, he is not going to play inside like Mayo, Collins, or Hightower. If Collins was not injured Skinner almost certainly not be on the roster, so the “he is more ready than player X” is not true, he fits a need more than player X does right now.

Urgent said:

The binkiedom of Quarles is related to his outstanding measurables (6-4, 297, 4.95 40, 7.6 3-cone), his outstanding stats (9.5 sacks last year), and his potential fit as a 3-4 DE on a team lacking players of that profile. No more Tommy Kelly, Armand Armstead, etc.

There must be some attitude issue or learning potential that prevented him from being drafted or making a 53-man roster before now - something we wouldn't have much insight into.

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Any "binkiedom" of Quarles is solely a function of the "suckitude" of Vellano.

To make it up to us I'm sure the good luck gods will keep Wilfork, Easley, Chris Jones and Siliga healthy all season.