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Elway had to make do with an UDFA.:cool:

The top 3 members of his supporting cast over his career were two 7th rounders (Sharpe and Terrell Davis) and a UDFA (Smith). Kind of crazy.

I always considered Duper and Clayton to be mostly products of Marino; after they fell off in the late 80s, his top targets were guys like OJ McDuffie and Oronde Gadsden. He also never had any RB to speak of.
 
The top 3 members of his supporting cast over his career were two 7th rounders (Sharpe and Terrell Davis) and a UDFA (Smith). Kind of crazy.

I always considered Duper and Clayton to be mostly products of Marino; after they fell off in the late 80s, his top targets were guys like OJ McDuffie and Oronde Gadsden. He also never had any RB to speak of.

The Marks brothers were excellent receivers, and you're omitting Fryar. Marino also had Nathan as a pass catching RB. Marino had better receivers, overall, than Brady's had to this point.
 
Brandon Lafell 6.3 210lbs has had a few highlight reel big TD in his career.
Aaron Dobson 6.3 200lbs ran a fast 40 time,
Kenbrell Thompkins 6.1 200lbs,

Edelman is the smallest WR on the team and he is by far the best of the bunch, we just need the pats to have a great year on offense so Josh McDaniels can get a HC job some were and stop giving the pats info on WR he thinks may fit the team lol

This is the exact stupidity I've seen displayed on this site for over 3 years now.

These guys on this list are trash compared to real talented top receivers around the league with size and explosiveness. BB has been completely incompetent at finding outside receivers for Tom Brady. I'm surprised that Brady hasn't thrashed this organization through the media especially when Manning gets all types of great players to throw to constantly. Brady took a pay cut all for this organization to slowly take away his weapons and add these poor fill ins. It has hurt his numbers and it was nothing short of amazing that the Pats ended with a 12-4 record last season and almost made it to the SB. That really showed how good Brady was honestly. It was also the reason why they didn't advance to the SB though as well.

THompkins and Dobson both have terrible hands and were leading the league in drops last year before getting hurt, and Lefell was an average receiver on the Panthers who they didn't even feel like deserved to stay there.
 
This is the exact stupidity I've seen displayed on this site for over 3 years now.

These guys on this list are trash compared to real talented top receivers around the league with size and explosiveness. BB has been completely incompetent at finding outside receivers for Tom Brady. I'm surprised that Brady hasn't thrashed this organization through the media especially when Manning gets all types of great players to throw to constantly. Brady took a pay cut all for this organization to slowly take away his weapons and add these poor fill ins. It has hurt his numbers and it was nothing short of amazing that the Pats ended with a 12-4 record last season and almost made it to the SB. That really showed how good Brady was honestly. It was also the reason why they didn't advance to the SB though as well.

THompkins and Dobson both have terrible hands and were leading the league in drops last year before getting hurt, and Lefell was an average receiver on the Panthers who they didn't even feel like deserved to stay there.


While I agree with your general direction, your post is overly harsh, IMO. Branch and Givens were fine receivers, albeit not world beaters. Randy Moss was certainly a top shelf outside receiver in 2007-2009. Dobson and Thompkins are both second year players, and Dobson, particularly, deserves more time before being rated as a failure. Belichick has failed Brady with regards to WRs, but it hasn't been complete incompetence.
 
While I agree with your general direction, your post is overly harsh, IMO. Branch and Givens were fine receivers, albeit not world beaters. Randy Moss was certainly a top shelf outside receiver in 2007-2009. Dobson and Thompkins are both second year players, and Dobson, particularly, deserves more time before being rated as a failure. Belichick has failed Brady with regards to WRs, but it hasn't been complete incompetence.

I''m not talking about those early years when Brady first got started. That team was built differently and Brady wasn't the elite down the field passer back then. I'm referring to the post Randy Moss era. BB did great that off season when he got Welker, Moss, and Stallworth. What I never understood is why he never went out and did that again after Moss was gone? It showed how dominant Brady and this offense could be with a down the field option to co-exist with these slot receivers Brady works well with, but he has absolutely refused to get a true deep threat since then. Look at the Broncos in the last two years, they already had two deep threats that were elite level receivers numbers wise and they get Welker from the Pats. Then they lose Decker and add in Sanders who is a great substitute.

BB doesn't seem to learn at all from his mistakes and continues to push this formula despite its flaws and previous mistakes. That Chad Johnson idea was a rookie HC mistake and about as bone headed and stupid as anything I've ever seen from a HC. Before that it was Brandon F'ing Tate!?? Then it was an older Branch again to another old and inconsistent Lloyd who has never been consistent in his career. Then they come back with two rookies at wideout in which one was a UDFA!!?? And after that horrible offensive season last year, they don't even make a crack at Desean Jackson who was perfect for this team.

Yes, it may seem harsh but this has been a harsh thing to swallow year after year when Brady only has a few years left. People are going to see how overrated of a coach that BB is when Brady retires. An elite level QB makes all HC's look a lot better than what they are. Brady is arguably the best of all times on top of that. He just needs one more SB to end that discussion, but it isn't going to happen unfortunately with BB as the GM here.
 
I''m not talking about those early years when Brady first got started. That team was built differently and Brady wasn't the elite down the field passer back then. .

You think he is an elite down the field passer now? That may be the problem here.
 
I''m not talking about those early years when Brady first got started. That team was built differently and Brady wasn't the elite down the field passer back then. I'm referring to the post Randy Moss era. BB did great that off season when he got Welker, Moss, and Stallworth. What I never understood is why he never went out and did that again after Moss was gone? It showed how dominant Brady and this offense could be with a down the field option to co-exist with these slot receivers Brady works well with, but he has absolutely refused to get a true deep threat since then. Look at the Broncos in the last two years, they already had two deep threats that were elite level receivers numbers wise and they get Welker from the Pats. Then they lose Decker and add in Sanders who is a great substitute.

BB doesn't seem to learn at all from his mistakes and continues to push this formula despite its flaws and previous mistakes. That Chad Johnson idea was a rookie HC mistake and about as bone headed and stupid as anything I've ever seen from a HC. Before that it was Brandon F'ing Tate!?? Then it was an older Branch again to another old and inconsistent Lloyd who has never been consistent in his career. Then they come back with two rookies at wideout in which one was a UDFA!!?? And after that horrible offensive season last year, they don't even make a crack at Desean Jackson who was perfect for this team.

Yes, it may seem harsh but this has been a harsh thing to swallow year after year when Brady only has a few years left. People are going to see how overrated of a coach that BB is when Brady retires. An elite level QB makes all HC's look a lot better than what they are. Brady is arguably the best of all times on top of that. He just needs one more SB to end that discussion, but it isn't going to happen unfortunately with BB as the GM here.



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I''m not talking about those early years when Brady first got started. That team was built differently and Brady wasn't the elite down the field passer back then. I'm referring to the post Randy Moss era. BB did great that off season when he got Welker, Moss, and Stallworth. What I never understood is why he never went out and did that again after Moss was gone? It showed how dominant Brady and this offense could be with a down the field option to co-exist with these slot receivers Brady works well with, but he has absolutely refused to get a true deep threat since then. Look at the Broncos in the last two years, they already had two deep threats that were elite level receivers numbers wise and they get Welker from the Pats. Then they lose Decker and add in Sanders who is a great substitute.

BB doesn't seem to learn at all from his mistakes and continues to push this formula despite its flaws and previous mistakes. That Chad Johnson idea was a rookie HC mistake and about as bone headed and stupid as anything I've ever seen from a HC. Before that it was Brandon F'ing Tate!?? Then it was an older Branch again to another old and inconsistent Lloyd who has never been consistent in his career. Then they come back with two rookies at wideout in which one was a UDFA!!?? And after that horrible offensive season last year, they don't even make a crack at Desean Jackson who was perfect for this team.

Yes, it may seem harsh but this has been a harsh thing to swallow year after year when Brady only has a few years left. People are going to see how overrated of a coach that BB is when Brady retires. An elite level QB makes all HC's look a lot better than what they are. Brady is arguably the best of all times on top of that. He just needs one more SB to end that discussion, but it isn't going to happen unfortunately with BB as the GM here.


So, if you ignore 2001-2005 and 2007-2009, you've got a point?

You might want to re-think your position. I'm not one to shy away from criticizing Belichick, and he's made some huge mistakes at WR/TE/DB, but your position is a very poor one. Claiming complete incompetence in the light of the above years makes you look like a clown.
 
So, are we completely ignoring or dismissing the proposition that a significant part of a receiver's success will depend on the QB and the scheme/play-calling?

Ben Rothlisberger's ability to extend plays made Mike Wallace (which is why if you give Tannehill time, Wallace will kill you).

Marino made good receivers great.

Peyton Manning makes his receivers great (and gets some of them killed, but that's another thread) - has any receiver ever failed with the guy? Garcon? Collie? Tammie?

If the Patriots had signed Manny Sanders and Danny Amendola wound up in Denver, my guess is that we'd still be having this conversation, with the names moved around - and I was a big Manny Sanders' proponent and was pissed when they low-balled his offer and could have easily stolen him from Pittsburgh.
 
After watching the game on Sunday I am convinced that Amendola could be wide open in the end zone and Brady would not even look his way. He is really on Brady's s**t list.
 
After watching the game on Sunday I am convinced that Amendola could be wide open in the end zone and Brady would not even look his way. He is really on Brady's s**t list.

In all honesty watching DA over the past year the guy can't create seperation. Maybe his groin is shot. I was hoping for 60 receptions and 800 yards, now I'm hoping for 40/500
 
I would like to apologize to everyone for monopolizing this thread while spewing my unmitigated man love for Danny Amendola, including the following ridiculously rose colored evaluation of the situation.





Agree completely. It's Amendola's responsibility to perform well enough to get the snaps and targets and right now he hasn't done enough to do so, that's on him and if he doesn't have a great season they will restructure or release him. However judging him on the first two games makes no sense to me, especially given they way things have gone offensively for this time so far this season. Their OL was beaten up badly against the Dolphins and Belichick clearly prioritized fixing that aspect of their offense over all others this week, and the result was the 6 OL looks we saw and if i am not mistaken far fewer 3 WR looks than they usually run. Edelman has clearly developed into the top WR on this team and as such gets the majority of snaps and targets and that is reflected in his production. Gronk is obviously the other top target for Brady in the passing game and both he and Edelman primarily work on the inside, so the other WR os most likely going to be either Dobson or Thompkins, depending upon who is active. Amendola's snaps and targets are going to depend upon how often they go to their three WR sets and if Belichick decides that they are going to go heavy more often and spread less often then he is going to get fewer snaps, fewer targets, and less production but it will be up to him to make the most of those opportunities when they are there. Amendola showed a great deal of heart and toughness playing through a really nasty injury last season but it is still on him to live up to the deal they signed him to, and right now that's going to be an uphill climb and a restructure is almost certainly coming at the end of the season, unlike Mankins I don't see him declining it and do see him accepting an incentive laden restructure. Imo Amendola is a good player and he will prove to be a real asset for them over the season and going forward after that, especially if Edelman goes down, and given his size and the beating slot receivers take that is areal possibility.




I am sorry that my obsessive compulsive and grossly narcissistic behavior has manifested itself with the kind of repetitive posting and monopolizing that I have done in this thread.

Sincerely,

Ivan
 
what?...six braided narcissistic old borderlines sitting in a circle stabbing pins in their Danny dolls?...where?....get me the eff out of here!
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As I said joker, I apologize for my role in monopolizing this discussion. In fact if you try this exercise you will see just how detrimental i have been. Put me on ignore and you will see that the thread actually goes from 11 pages to 1 1/2. I know, i put myself on ignore and that's what happened. All the incredibly narcissistic and obsessive compulsive posts disappeared and all that was left was cool clear headed and logical posts that reflected the real destruction Danny Amendola has wreaked on this team through the first 1/8 of the season. The truth is that the Patriots would be 5-0 without him, yet they are just 1-1 with him.
 
So, are we completely ignoring or dismissing the proposition that a significant part of a receiver's success will depend on the QB and the scheme/play-calling?

Ben Rothlisberger's ability to extend plays made Mike Wallace (which is why if you give Tannehill time, Wallace will kill you).

Marino made good receivers great.

Peyton Manning makes his receivers great (and gets some of them killed, but that's another thread) - has any receiver ever failed with the guy? Garcon? Collie? Tammie?

If the Patriots had signed Manny Sanders and Danny Amendola wound up in Denver, my guess is that we'd still be having this conversation, with the names moved around - and I was a big Manny Sanders' proponent and was pissed when they low-balled his offer and could have easily stolen him from Pittsburgh.

Manning paired with Amendola? They would need to land a rescue helicopter on the field to med evac him if that ever happened.
 
but the season isn't over yet...my Danny Boy can still come through!...right?

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...Peyton Manning makes his receivers great (and gets some of them killed, but that's another thread) - has any receiver ever failed with the guy? Garcon? Collie? Tammie?...

That's been gone over before. Let me just say that the Manning effect on WRs has been wildly overrated.
 
all I have to say is...if Manning gets my Danny, I'll stop rooting for the Pats forever...I MEAN IT.:mad:
 
I''m not talking about those early years when Brady first got started. That team was built differently and Brady wasn't the elite down the field passer back then.

Maybe Brady should go back to being more of the Superbowl winning QB from his early years and less of the elite down the field passer.
 
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