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If you read the gameday thread, I gave him full credit as soon as he made that play. (Although, I think he could have scored with minimal extra effort ;)). I would like to take this opportunity to thank myself for lighting a fire under McCourty's ass. I'm sure as he was running that int back he was thinking, this should shut FreeTedWillaims up!

In all honesty, that was the type of "game changing play" I have long referred to. At the time of that pick, the Vikings were up 7-0, or offense had done nothing and the Vikings looked like they were going to march down the field and go up by two scores. It was a huge momemtum switch, of course, the kid from Syracuse made the biggest play of the day.

ok then!!! Maybe DMC read your posts and said "I am gonna show him."
 
And if you're not impressed with the amount of ground he covered to get to it, I'm not sure you're impressed by anything. He was playing within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage and got back to intercept a pass in the deep middle of the field. That's range that only a handful of safeties in the league have.
DBs in man coverage "manage" to run all over the field defensing their targets. When McCourty does it, its "extra" special? The bar has been lowered...to the HOF
 
DBs in man coverage "manage" to run all over the field defensing their targets. When McCourty does it, its "extra" special? The bar has been lowered...to the HOF

Are you actually making a point here? Or what is this?
 
DBs in man coverage "manage" to run all over the field defensing their targets. When McCourty does it, its "extra" special? The bar has been lowered...to the HOF

If you're trying to mock my point, I think you're only supposed to use quotation marks around words that I actually used in my analysis, so as to emphasize the absurdity of them. As is, you just sound like you're rambling to no one in particular.
 
Also, people to to blame McCourty because when a big play happens where he is trailing the receiver or "not quite" in time to defense, they think it was his assignment. Without knowing the coverage called, people don't know for certain and because he does have elite range, he appears to be near the ball.

Now I think he has Elite range, others may and probably will have a different opinion.

The Harrison-Samuel-Tyree phenomenon.
 
Are you actually making a point here? Or what is this?

Don't mind him. The chicken littles are just mad today, so saying McCourty made a great play they think you are calling him a HOF talent. Now had that been some safety doing it to Brady you would get the "wish we had a safety that could do that" posts.

Notice the difference between the amount of traffic on this site between last week and this week. Most of the trolls that came out from under their bridges have scurried back and are awaiting the next Pats loss.
 
Don't mind him. The chicken littles are just mad today, so saying McCourty made a great play they think you are calling him a HOF talent. Now had that been some safety doing it to Brady you would get the "wish we had a safety that could do that" posts.

Notice the difference between the amount of traffic on this site between last week and this week. Most of the trolls that came out from under their bridges have scurried back and are awaiting the next Pats loss.

Exactly, they are back at their McDonalds jobs just waiting for the chance to project their negativity here.
 
Don't mind him. The chicken littles are just mad today, so saying McCourty made a great play they think you are calling him a HOF talent. Now had that been some safety doing it to Brady you would get the "wish we had a safety that could do that" posts.

Notice the difference between the amount of traffic on this site between last week and this week. Most of the trolls that came out from under their bridges have scurried back and are awaiting the next Pats loss.
They only come out after a loss, for example where is iapatsfan??? He rarely shows up after a win but always is complaining about a loss
 
They only come out after a loss, for example where is iapatsfan??? He rarely shows up after a win but always is complaining about a loss
Probably pumping up his post count in some jets forum he regularly visits
 
The throw wasn't perfect, but would have been caught if not for McCourty. And if you're not impressed with the amount of ground he covered to get to it, I'm not sure you're impressed by anything. He was playing within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage and got back to intercept a pass in the deep middle of the field. That's range that only a handful of safeties in the league have.

Im very impressed by Revis.
 
Perfect example was the only Vikings touchdown yesterday. The last thing you see is McCourty getting there too late to push the runner out of bounds before he can cross the goal line. Then you see the wider shot on replay, and see that he was covering the deep part of the other side of the field, ran all the way over when someone else's assignment was missed and ALMOST got there in time. Not his fault, but his detractors will keep that image in their mind because he was "late".

You don't know if when Chung followed his man across the field if Mcourty was supposed to moved to the other side to fill the void.
 
I don't know if safety is his natural position, but it's for sure his best position. He was good at corner his rookie year, terrible in 2011, and not any better in 2012 before they moved him to safety.



Pass Def may not be a very good metric, but from 2010-2013, McCourty has gone 17, 13, 13, 9. He has 15 career ints, but 7 of those came in his first year, and 8 in the three years since. He had one last year.

He obviously had a bad year in 2011, but let's not forget the change in system.The haters will obviously say that a great player should be great no matter what the system is. But I didn't see those comments when Chandler Jones was mis-cast as a 3-4 DE. I didn't see those blaming Revis when he was wasted in Tampa's system last year. And I doubt I'd see the same comments if we ran some zone read plays with Brady.

But McCourty got caught in a change that maximized his weaknesses and minimized his strengths. And you know what? He did so without complaint, never made one excuse at any point, and handled himself like a pro throughout. He did the best he could, and quite frankly, there was nobody better at the time but he did what was best for the team, like he always does. When they asked him to return kickoffs, he did it. When they asked him to play safety, he did it. He has always done whatever the team needs him to do, even if he wasn't the best guy to do it. And he stood up after every bad day and answered every tough question and never pointed one finger at anyone else but himself, which is why he has been a deserved choice as a team captain ever since his second season.

As for INTs, they really don't tell much for safeties. Here are the top 10 safeties in INTs in 2013:

1. Antrel Rolle
T2. Earl Thomas
T2. Tashaun Gibson
T4. Darius Butler (yes, that guy)
T4. Jairus Bird
T4. Quintin Demps
T4. Jim Leonhard
T4. Mike Mitchell
T4. Eric Reid
T4. Aaron Williams

So Gibson, Butler, Demps, Leonhard, and Williams all had more INTs than McCourty and Eric Berry and Kam Chancellor. Better draft those guys for your FF team.

Earl Thomas has never had more than 5 in a season, and had 3 and 2 in other seasons, but is the best safety in the game. His partner, Kam Chancellor, doesn't have an INT in 2 of his 4 seasons. Eric Weddle had 7 in 2011, but never got more than 3 (once) and then 2 in several other seasons. Eric Berry had 4, 1, 3. Lots of top-notch safeties don't have huge seasons filled with INTs. Most are doing their job by not getting thrown at.

There is a serious safety shortage in the league and teams are now spending 1st round picks on the position. From 1991-2001, only 3 safeties were drafted in the top 15 picks. From 2002 to 2009, another 5. But over the past 5 drafts, 4 (including Berry and Thomas) were drafted that high, with several more just outside that range. Guys like Ed Reed used to get drafted late in the 1st round because the position held lesser value to teams regardless of talent; now it's quickly becoming a premium spot.

Is McCourty the best safety in the game? No. Does he make mistakes? Absolutely. As does Chandler Jones. As does Tom Brady. As do you. As do I.

But is he a top 10 safety in a league starving for them? You better believe it.

Earl Thomas
Kam Chancellor
Eric Berry
Devin McCourty
Jairus Byrd
T.J. Ward

There's the top 6 in whatever order. You could put D-Mac 4th on that list, you could put him 6th, but either way, he's somewhere in there.

And who else is there in the safety mix? Throw in Whitner and Reid, though I take our guy over both. Maybe Rolle and Goldson? Throw in the potential of guys like Vaccarro, Smith and Elam. Maybe Landry and Nelson. Hell, even throw in Polamalu for nostalgia. That's enough for maybe half the teams in the league to have at least one solid starter.

I've already seen some people point out he's not as good as the best safety in the league. Let me explain how rankings work because apparently there are some brain-damaged folks on this board. If you are not #1 in a list, that means you are not the best. If you are #4, or #5, or #10, or #2 even, that means you are not as good as #1. I really don't understand why people need to keep throwing it out there like it disqualifies him from the top 10. It's as if they're saying you can't be the #7 safety if you're not as good as the #1 safety.

My head hurts from hearing this. Please stop it.

Edit: Forgot about Malcolmn Jenkins. So that's maybe 17 solid players out of 64 spots in the league.
 
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Im very impressed by Revis.

Congratulations. You responded to the least important line my post and ignored the rest.

You don't know if when Chung followed his man across the field if Mcourty was supposed to moved to the other side to fill the void.

Neither do you, but that won't stop you from blaming him anyway.
 
Sorry I didn't respond sooner, but the wifi down in the basement is a little spotty.

He made a good play on a deep ball down the middle, and followed it up with a great return. He hasn't made very many big plays the past couple of years, but that was one. If he keeps making plays like this, I'll change my opinion about him. If he doesn't, I won't.
 
Since we moved McCourty to Safety, I would guess we've given up less than 10 plays per year that start 20-30 yards down the field. You can't blame McCourty for a 5 yard pass that turns into a 50 yard play.
 
Since we moved McCourty to Safety, I would guess we've given up less than 10 plays per year that start 20-30 yards down the field. You can't blame McCourty for a 5 yard pass that turns into a 50 yard play.

I can if he refuses to make a tackle. He makes Deion Sanders look like Rodney Harrison sometime.
 
I can if he refuses to make a tackle. He makes Deion Sanders look like Rodney Harrison sometime.

You do realize McCourty is one of the best tackling DBs in the league right? Wait, no you don't. Because you're a blind hater.
 
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Congratulations. You responded to the least important line my post and ignored the rest.



Neither do you, but that won't stop you from blaming him anyway.

Tbucky Jones was fast too. Big deal.

Maybe youre praising him for doing his job? Ill reserve my praise for players like Jones and Edelamn who go above and beyond whats expected of them.
 
You do realize McCourty is one of the best tackling DBs in the league right? Wait, no you don't. Because you're a blind hater.

In 2013, his 48 unassisted tackles placed him in 85th among all DB's, including cornerbacks.
 
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