Vikings RB Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse; deactivated for Pats game at Minnesota

condon84 said:

Peterson, from the evidence that we have so far, looks like a POS who should be in jail receiving counseling, nevermind playing football at all.

BUT...

If @ausbacker and @PATS16N0 prefer to let due process runs its course before grabbing their pitchfork, why can't that position be respected? I don't equate that to them enabling child abuse. This dude @Fixit really did post that he hopes Ausbacker is never near a child. LOL. I mean really dude?

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They can do whatever they feel. That doesn't mean that I think he should be playing. I don't even care if the Vikings pay him. But he shouldn't be on the field.

ausbacker said:

That is for the Minnesota Vikings to decide, not me. They're his employer and ultimately, they are the ones who have to wear the association with an alleged child abuser.

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As we can see happening right now, parties OTHER than the Minnesota Vikings will be deciding......just as happened in the Ray Rice saga.

The sponsors, computer hackers, etc. have already started. Wait until the Minnesota Legislature starts throwing their weight around regarding the $498 million in public money they are giving the Vikings towards their shiny new downtown stadium.

Money talks. The Vikings won't be controlling the decision process at all.

mgteich said:

It is interesting that we want the NFL to ignore our legal system and its process. In the US, a person is NOT convicted before a judge by the preponderance of evidence presented, and certainly not a judge who doesn't work for the government.

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But the NFL is not sending anyone to jail. Playing in the league is a privilege, not a right.

Hey, I don't know if being on ignore means people can't get PMs, so if someone would tell ausbacker that I sent him an apology, it'd be appreciated. I'm gonna go rage sleep now.

shmessy said:

computer hackers

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What's this about?

Someone get Adrian Peterson a condom

Danny said:

What's this about?

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You don't really believe that this occurred from the inside do you?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...own-calls-teams-handling-of-peterson-cowardly

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Fixit said:

This is it exactly. If your (PATS16N0) stance was that you acknowledged he's an abuser but would prefer that punishment would be meted out after the investigation was complete, we wouldn't be here. But you deliberately ignored the damning evidence, and I'm still not sure why.

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I'm not ignoring any evidence. Your accusations are annoying but what I've come to expect over the last 10 or so years in this country, which, culturally, is becoming eerily Soviet-like.

The only defense I'll say of Adrian Peterson is this: I hope our legal system collects testimony from the children and the children's mother, and that that testimony becomes a very large part of the process of learning and understanding what exactly goes on in the Peterson home, and whether or not he belongs in prison for two years.

If they throw him in prison for two years because of a text message, I'll potentially have some concerns about our legal system.

However, that ISN'T what the legal system is going to do. Instead they're going to probe into the Peterson household with due diligence so that JUSTICE can be served.

shmessy said:

As we can see happening right now, parties OTHER than the Minnesota Vikings will be deciding......just as happened in the Ray Rice saga.

The sponsors, computer hackers, etc. have already started. Wait until the Minnesota Legislature starts throwing their weight around regarding the $498 million in public money they are giving the Vikings towards their shiny new downtown stadium.

Money talks. The Vikings won't be controlling the decision process at all.

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The Vikings will and I suspect they will cut ties with him.

The simple reality is I don't know @shmessy. My want to uphold due process directly conflicts with my disdain for anything remotely connected to child abuse.

The family member has me internally calling for Peterson's head and the rational, reasonable adult says he's entitled to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty given he's arguing discipline opposed to child abuse. I have stated on multiple occasions that I believe it's probably child abuse but still, due process should be respected and he should have the right to present an argument and be judged for it. Really, it's a delicate subject.

As for the PR argument, that's completely on the Vikings.

shmessy said:

Straight question: While this runs its course in the legal system, should Adrian Peterson be allowed to make millions of dollars playing in a league with a federal antitrust exemption and a team that is getting $498 million in public money for its new stadium?

Or should the public be allowed to make their voice heard about a man who has texted what he texted about what he did to TWO of his 4 year old sons?

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He should be suspended with pay until exonerated. If convicted, he should be banned.

shmessy said:

You don't really believe that this occurred from the inside do you?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...own-calls-teams-handling-of-peterson-cowardly

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Inside what? They call it a Vikings Message Board but there is nothing in there that says it is an official team sanctioned message board.

If the Patriots really piss off Ian, he could do the same thing if he wanted.

shmessy said:

You don't really believe that this occurred from the inside do you?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...own-calls-teams-handling-of-peterson-cowardly

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Why couldn't it be? You're the only person I've seen say it was hacked. Nothing on Twitter from hundreds of tweets about it. There's also a welcome thread on Purple Pride for VMB's members where no one has even hinted at that.

Tunescribe said:

He should be suspended with pay until exonerated. If convicted, he should be banned.

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So Ray Rice shouldn't have gotten any punishment since technically all that happened was they dropped charges?

Can't say I agree with you there.

Danny said:

Why couldn't it be? You're the only person I've seen say it was hacked. Nothing on Twitter from hundreds of tweets about it. There's also a welcome thread on Purple Pride for VMB's members where no one has even hinted at that.

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I dunno, Danny. As a Mod, this line sort of gave it away to me:

"Yes, a few board members have ruined it for everyone. Congratulations, a--holes."

If we had a "few" board members being way out of line, we would give them repeated warnings to stop and if they went through those would ban them. We certainly wouldn't blow up the site (not that we could anyhow, only Ian could do that).

I just find it highly impossible for Mods or an Admin to blow up an entire site for the actions of a "few board members". So, yeah, color me suspicious of that.

Fixit said:

We'll agree to disagree on whether or not you're defending AP.

As to your second point, no, you wouldn't be able to build a case that I was a child abuser, or a wife beater, or adulterer, or thief, or anything beyond, "Wow, that guy swears a lot, likes to play video games, and occasionally screams at his pets for eating the last doughnut."

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Great. So I'll string those things together, broadcast pieces of it on CNN, and label you a Homer Simpson that represents everything that is wrong with America today. Might not be true, but it would certainly be easy, and it would become reality in the minds of people watching it on television, and I doubt you would enjoy it much when the armies of social media started ripping your very existence to pieces for it, despite them all doing the same. For acting no differently than anyone else, I could make you the absolute laughing stock of the country based on what you told me, absolutely unfairly.

That is the power of media and it is power to be RESPECTED, which is what I do, which is why I do not rush to immediate judgement. I'm souring on Adrian Peterson's defense of "discipline" more and more by the second, but I have NO REGRETS about my willingness to wait.

So stop pretending that AP is just a victim of a crazy string of coincidences, which, yet again, includes his own admissions to the beatings. It couldn't happen to just anybody. Stop it.

And third, the fact that you can look at those photos alone and think that it could possibly just be "stern parenting" is exactly why you're creeping me out.

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How many times have I called it clearly excessive? 10? 20? 30?
I said it was AT LEAST excessive, but would opt to wait before labeling him a "child abuser."

You just keep spinning it anyway you need to, though. Maybe by the end you'll have Patsfans convinced I'm the one who took a switch to Adrian's kid.

ausbacker said:

The Vikings will and I suspect they will cut ties with him.

The simple reality is I don't know @shmessy. My want to uphold due process directly conflicts with my disdain for anything remotely connected to child abuse.

The family member has me internally calling for Peterson's head and the rational, reasonable adult says he's entitled to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty given he's arguing discipline opposed to child abuse. I have stated on multiple occasions that I believe it's probably child abuse but still, due process should be respected and he should have the right to present an argument and be judged for it. Really, it's a delicate subject.

As for the PR argument, that's completely on the Vikings.

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I see some agreement here.

But the employment by the NFL is a privilege not a right, as SB39 noted.

The question of jail, is what should be the due process.

Whether or not to employ him based on the threat of public revulsion and consumers voting with their legs is not.

SB39 said:

Inside what? They call it a Vikings Message Board but there is nothing in there that says it is an official team sanctioned message board.

If the Patriots really piss off Ian, he could do the same thing if he wanted.

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Never said it was an "official team sanctioned message board".

But the "admin" blamed "a FEW board members" and called them "***holes".

Why a hissy fit to self immolate based on a FEW board members? Something is not quite right there.

shmessy said:

I just find it highly impossible for Mods or an Admin to blow up an entire site for the actions of a "few board members". So, yeah, color me suspicious of that.

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Well the primary reason listed was his disgust with the Vikings for reinstating Peterson.

At least that was his first reason. Now all you see when you click on that website is the word:

"what?"

So maybe you're right.

shmessy said:

I see some agreement here.

But the employment by the NFL is a privilege not a right, as SB39 noted.

The question of jail, is what should be the due process.

Whether or not to employ him based on the threat of public revulsion and consumers voting with their legs is not.

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It becomes a question of player conduct and whether or not an investigation would conclude that Peterson has broken whatever code of conduct the players are expected to adhere too.

Put simply @shmessy, right now, I don't know what the "right" thing to do with Adrian Peterson is.