Vikings RB Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse; deactivated for Pats game at Minnesota

shmessy said:

Once the sponsors start pulling out, the game is over. Zygie and the Vikings are now cooked.

Gawd, did they completely screw up the handling of this situation.

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Chances are, they're going to do a complete reversal and deactivate Peterson before Sunday. Sponsors are gonna start feeling the pressure tomorrow from people.

Deactivate? They should at least suspend him if not release him.

PATS16N0 said:

Who is wishing the texts away? WTF.

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You, Mr. " rather than a lynch mob with a photograph given to them by the almighty television."

The "lynch mob" has at least 5 texts from the accused admitting to what he did in crystal clear language.

It's not so much your opinion that deserves all the derision you are getting, it's the cheap and dishonest way you are framing your position.

The texts directly from Peterson exist. They are the smoking gun as much as any photograph.

condon84 said:

Chances are, they're going to do a complete reversal and deactivate Peterson before Sunday. Sponsors are gonna start feeling the pressure tomorrow from people.

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But shouldn't they wait for due process to take it's course?

I can't believe the fallout and what is happening here.. what is happening to the NFL??

shmessy said:

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It's not so much your opinion that deserves all the derision you are getting, it's the cheap and dishonest way you are framing your position.

The texts directly from Peterson exist. They are the smoking gun as much as any photograph.

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This is it exactly. If your (PATS16N0) stance was that you acknowledged he's an abuser but would prefer that punishment would be meted out after the investigation was complete, we wouldn't be here. But you deliberately ignored the damning evidence, and I'm still not sure why.

condon84 said:

No, he's being an @22hole the way he's responding to other posters who doesn't share the same exact views as him.

If he's an @22hole, chances are his kids are asshats as well.

Keep in mind, no one is supporting child abuse here. Some would rather wait for due process to runs it's course, which I think should be respected if that is their position.

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I'm going to assume you're replying to @Fixit @condon84? Unfortunately, I've placed him on ignore given his comments without any knowledge of me as a person or the work I have done with children and juvenile detention centers but it's probably a stretch to malign his children for the sins of their father on a messageboard.

My contention this entire time is I simply don't understand why people can't accept that despite my personal opinion (an opinion that Peterson probably is a child abuser) on the case, why do so many find it unreasonable to let it run its course?

Given the above-mentioned commentary, it's wonderful to see society band together in a universal want to protect children.

Btw, does anyone feel like NFL.com is sort of sweeping this all under the rug? Go to their page right now, and it's as if none of the news this evening even happened.

Fixit said:

But shouldn't they wait for due process to take it's course?

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Who? The people complaining to the sponsors?

ausbacker said:

I'm going to assume you're replying to @Fixit @condon84? Unfortunately, I've placed him on ignore given his comments without any knowledge of me as a person or the work I have done with children and juvenile detention centers but it's probably a stretch to malign his children for the sins of their father on a messageboard.

My contention this entire time is I simply don't understand why people can't accept that despite my personal opinion (an opinion that Peterson probably is a child abuser) on the case, why do so many find it unreasonable to let it run its course?

Given the above-mentioned commentary, it's wonderful to see society band together in a universal want to protect children.

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Straight question: While this runs its course in the legal system, should Adrian Peterson be allowed to make millions of dollars playing in a league with a federal antitrust exemption and a team that is getting $498 million in public money for its new stadium?

Or should the public be allowed to make their voice heard about a man who has texted what he texted about what he did to TWO of his 4 year old sons?

condon84 said:

Who? The people complaining to the sponsors?

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Oh, nevermind.

Joey007 said:

Btw, does anyone feel like NFL.com is sort of sweeping this all under the rug? Go to their page right now, and it's as if none of the news this evening even happened.

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Well in all fairness the NFL marketing department is out clubbing seals right now. But dont worry, they will fix all of this when they come back.

Fixit said:

I know, I know. You have to save your energy to defend AP.

Look, you started off completely ignoring the evidence, you kept saying "it's just a picture and a report." MULTIPLE people called you on it. Then you changed your argument to say that you would hold off judgment until it was determined whether he's a psycho who beats kids all the time or just a swell dad who lost control one time. You've gone out of your way to give AP the benefit of the doubt when there's actually no doubt about what he did.

Still, I just don't care anymore. I don't know you. You mean nothing to me (and vice versa). The only thing I care about is that someone ensures that AP is no longer in a position where he can hurt kids.

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I haven't defended Adrian Peterson once in this entire thread, so you're basically just lying

I was defending the possibility that this could theoretically look worse than it actually was, and I made clear early on why that was my position: Because a single snap shot into someone's life could make absolutely everyone look bad. Everyone. Let me put cameras all over your house, and give me access to all your text messages, and I could probably turn you into something that you are not in the eyes of America, and I bet you wouldn't like that too much.

I simply wanted to know for sure that this was child abuse, and not a picture, a caption, and a text message colluding to make very stern parenting look like child abuse.

condon84 said:

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Lol, Thanks for posting this! I don't know if it was you who posted it the first time. But it was removed!

shmessy said:

Straight question: While this runs its course in the legal system, should Adrian Peterson be allowed to make millions of dollars playing in a league with a federal antitrust exemption and a team that is getting $498 million in public money for its new stadium?

Or should the public be allowed to make their voice heard about a man who has texted what he texted about what he did to TWO of his 4 year old sons?

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Straight answer: The NFL should take a reasonable amount of time to gather facts then act on the preponderance of evidence. Peterson should get his chance to plead his case with his legal counsel (either the union or his own lawyer) and then league punishment should be levied.

shmessy said:

Straight question: While this runs its course in the legal system, should Adrian Peterson be allowed to make millions of dollars playing in a league with a federal antitrust exemption and a team that is getting $498 million in public money for its new stadium?

Or should the public be allowed to make their voice heard about a man who has texted what he texted about what he did to TWO of his 4 year old sons?

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That is for the Minnesota Vikings to decide, not me. They're his employer and ultimately, they are the ones who have to wear the association with an alleged child abuser.

PATS16N0 said:

I haven't defended Adrian Peterson once in this entire thread, so you're basically just lying

I was defending the possibility that this could theoretically look worse than it actually was, and I made clear early on why that was my position: Because a single snap shot into someone's life could make absolutely everyone look bad. Everyone. Let me put cameras all over your house, and give me access to all your text messages, and I could probably turn you into something that you are not in the eyes of America, and I bet you wouldn't like that too much.

I simply wanted to know for sure that this was child abuse, and not a picture, a caption, and a text message colluding to make very stern parenting look like child abuse.

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We'll agree to disagree on whether or not you're defending AP.

As to your second point, no, you wouldn't be able to build a case that I was a child abuser, or a wife beater, or adulterer, or thief, or anything beyond, "Wow, that guy swears a lot, likes to play video games, and occasionally screams at his pets for eating the last doughnut." So stop pretending that AP is just a victim of a crazy string of coincidences, which, yet again, includes his own admissions to the beatings. It couldn't happen to just anybody. Stop it.

And third, the fact that you can look at those photos alone and think that it could possibly just be "stern parenting" is exactly why you're creeping me out.

SB39 said:

Straight answer: The NFL should take a reasonable amount of time to gather facts then act on the preponderance of evidence. Peterson should get his chance to plead his case with his legal counsel (either the union or his own lawyer) and then punishment should be levied.

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It is interesting that we want the NFL to ignore our legal system and its process. In the US, a person is NOT convicted before a judge by the preponderance of evidence presented, and certainly not a judge who doesn't work for the government.

I think it entirely appropriate for us to think that Peterson is scumbag. I think it inappopriate for a High Commissioner to try case and punish, in addition to such processes in the courts, and of course, in addition to actions by the teams.

Let me just be clear here that I think what Peterson has done is appalling. I'm a father and the images make me feel legitimately sick when I see them. The world right now is heavy enough as it is without having what is normally our distraction from reality turn into wall to wall coverage of either a dude dropping his girl with a Frazier-esque left hook or a guy who finds it loving to beat the **** out of a four year old. Having said all that, I still find laughter to be the best medicine.