Amendola

I think the fundamental disagreement is that Edelman and Amendola are redundant players. I disagree, I think they're complementary. No one complained about Branch, Brown, and Givens being redundant back in 2004. The main difference between this team and the 2004 offense is that Gronk is a singular talent - the team's true #1, our equivalent of an AJ Green or Dez Bryant - who will vacuum up a lot of targets.

Brady6 said:

Ivan what is your agenda? You come into these threads about Amendola and act like fans do not have a right to be disappointed in his performance. I mean come on, what do you expect fans to be happy with Amendola and say positive things? Or do you expect them to just ignore the fact that the highest paid player on the offense other than Brady and Gronkowski has contributed nothing this season? Make me understand what exactly you expect because right now you just seem to be taking issue with fans for being logical and being illogical in the process, open your eyes, look at reality, put away the emotions, Amendola deserves to be criticized by fans, he deserves it more than any player on the Patriots.

Posters want to be critical of Devey, Wendell, and Vellano, bash these players when they are making pennies compared to Amendola and in many cases making bigger contributions to the team. If you want to defend players go defend the minimum salary ones who are playing more and doing more but getting knocked more in here.

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His agenda is probably the annoyance that comes from countless threads and thousands of posts where you relentlessly bash Amendola over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

After the 385th over it starts getting old... especially with the multiple threads you've going on right now about Amendola just minutes after a Patriot's win.

Danger Zone said:

His agenda is probably the annoyance that comes from countless threads and thousands of posts where you relentlessly bash Amendola over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

After the 385th over it starts getting old.

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If there were not countless posts over and over again where people defended Amendola or took issue with posters being critical of him I would not be posting. I have not opened an Amendola thread this season. I participate because I do think that the third highest paid offensive player on the team doing jack **** is a worthwhile discussion to have.

To be fair to b6, he didn't start this thread. Though I do not hate amendola, I see that he is not appearing on the stat sheet but I will let it go, especially when we win.

Fwiw, his hate probably comes nowhere to the contempt I felt towards Guyton. As his #1 hater, it took years but I truly feel that I willed him off of our team. Since I know how it feels to utterly hate a player myself, I can't bring myself to bash b6 no matter how many threads he has created on the topic.

Danger Zone said:

especially with the multiple threads you've going on right now about Amendola just minutes after a Patriot's win.

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I did not know I had any threads going on right now. Multiple, can you point me in the direction of the Amendola threads that I opened; I would like to post in those instead.

Yes after the game we won and had a grand total of 149 passing yards, I do want to discuss the fact are highest paid receiver had 0 catches and has just 16 yards this season, has gone catch less in 2 out of his last 3 games, and has 9 catches in his last 6 games. Other people doing their job well should not equate to a free pass for Amendola to suck.

primetime said:

I think the fundamental disagreement is that Edelman and Amendola are redundant players. I disagree, I think they're complementary. No one complained about Branch, Brown, and Givens being redundant back in 2004. The main difference between this team and the 2004 offense is that Gronk is a singular talent - the team's true #1, our equivalent of an AJ Green or Dez Bryant - who will vacuum up a lot of targets.

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Ok well in that case Amendola is just bad. Him being redundant to Edelman is the only way to provide any justification for his lack of production.

Brady6 said:

Ok well in that case Amendola is just bad.

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Unless you consider every WR the Patriots had in 2004 "bad" - the top receiver was Givens with 56 catches (Amendola had nearly as many last season in fewer games) - I think that's sort of a silly takeaway from my comparison.

primetime said:

Unless you consider every WR the Patriots had in 2004 "bad" - the top receiver was Givens with 56 catches (Amendola had nearly as many last season in fewer games) - I think that's sort of a silly takeaway from my comparison.

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Givens also had 874 yards, averaged 15.6 yards per catch and had 3 touchdowns, if Amendola did that I would be a lot happier, but Amendola does not even average 10 yards per catch career, which is unheard of for a WR in this day and age. More importantly Givens caught a touchdown in his most important game of the season the Super Bowl, while Amendola did not even have a catch in his most important game of last season. That is the problem, the AFCCG him doing nothing at all, it is just inexcusable for someone who is paid what he was paid.

Brady6 said:

I did not know I had any threads going on right now. Multiple, can you point me in the direction of the Amendola threads that I opened; I would like to post in those instead.

Yes after the game we won and had a grand total of 149 passing yards, I do want to discuss the fact are highest paid receiver had 0 catches and has just 16 yards this season, has gone catch less in 2 out of his last 3 games, and has 9 catches in his last 6 games. Other people doing their job well should not equate to a free pass for Amendola to suck.

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Im not doing this anymore.

You have multiple arguments going in multiple threads about Amendola where you take the mildest and innocuous comment and turn it into an attack on Ammendola.

Thats your agenda. You knew exactly what I was talking about, you knew exactly what Ivan was referring to.

I am so done watching your psychotic energizer bunny need to argue semantics. You will now have the dubious honor of being the first and only poster on my Ignore list.

Brady6 said:

I participate because I do think that the third highest paid offensive player on the team doing jack **** is a worthwhile discussion to have.

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Yes, but as has been pointed out many times during these discussions, the decision to move forward with Amendola will come in the offseason--not before.

It was pretty much expected that he'd be here for the first 2 yrs of the deal, no matter what. By that measure, all of this complaining over a 54 catch effort last year seems kind of pointless to many of us.

I don't think anyone will argue that he's overpaid, but Belichick obviously feels that it's worth it to keep him for a 2nd season, so we'll have to trust his judgment.

Did Amendola play today against Minn? Of course he did he caught pass that was called back. Look at the stats for today. He is a waste.

Well Amendola has one of the biggest bank accounts on offense, the nicest cars and the biggest estate outside of Gronk and Brady. Actually he probably invests better than Gronk so he besides Brady he has the most $$ on offense and the biggest estate. Look at his $$ cars and his estate and he is a Superstar on offense who gets off the plane wearing more expensive suits than many players on offense and dressed for success as well as Brady

It's been widely assumed since late last year that he'd either restructure his deal in the coming offseason, or he'd be released, so I'm not sure what the big debate is at this current time?

Most deals with anyone of importance are pretty difficult to cut after only ONE year into it.....sheesh.

Tate I mean LaFell and Dola are just wasting precious cap space. Sucks Dola got our hopes up in week 1 last year, especially making that really tough catch on 3rd down to get us in field goal range.

supafly said:

Yes, but as has been pointed out many times during these discussions, the decision to move forward with Amendola will come in the offseason--not before.

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I do not care about that, I do not care if Amendola plays for the Patriots for the next decade. The point of my continuing to post about Amendola is that I want to understand why to this day posters on this board continue to make up excuses for his lack of production, and continue to advocate on behalf of Amendola. I am trying to understand it, because honestly I like to think most users of this board are bright people but the way posters handle any Amendola discussion is ****ing stupid, and excuse filled and just delusional on every level. It intrigues me, sort of like when you are driving on the highway and you slow down to look at a car accident on the other side of the road, you want to try and understand what happen and what is going on, make sense of it.

The logic is not there, Amendola does not deserve to be defended, yet posters spend countless hours trying to discredit the facts and actualities that me and other posters write about Amendola, like the fact that he does have just 9 catches in his last 6 games. Instead of coming to terms with that I get some ridiculous accusation of dishonesty lobbed at me because a poster has nothing else they can respond with. It is a big turd that is all it is, first he was going to turn it around in the second half, then in the preseason, I read the ridiculous assertions of posters on this board saying that a healthy Amendola could be better than Edelman could, and now it is because Brady does not distribute the ball well enough. It is never on Amendola, so you know what I am going to keep beating the dead horse until posters stop making excuses and start looking at Amendola for the failure that he is. Of all players on the Patriots if you ranked them in order of players deserving to be defended, Amendola would rank #53, never in the Belichick era has a player been given so much in terms of money and opportunity and responded with so little.

It was pretty much expected that he'd be here for the first 2 yrs of the deal, no matter what. By that measure, all of this complaining over a 54 catch effort last year seems kind of pointless to many of us.

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Based on his APY, Amendola made $105,555 per reception last year, so yeah I am complaining.

I don't think anyone will argue that he's overpaid, but Belichick obviously feels that it's worth it to keep him for a 2nd season, so we'll have to trust his judgment.

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It is more than being overpaid, we would have likely been better off with Thompkins being active today than him.

It is hard to trust his judgment when he gave the contract to Amendola to begin with.

The only receiver making a statistical impact is Edelman. Nobody else is getting the ball thrown to him besides Gronk. That partially falls on Brady. Just like last year, Brady is focussing ONLY on Edelman and Gronk, which hurt our offense last year as well. Once he starting throwing to Thompkins and Dobson, the offense started opening up. Unfortunately Brady seems to have lost trust in any receiver not named Edelman.

Froob said:

Tate I mean LaFell and Dola are just wasting precious cap space. Sucks Dola got our hopes up in week 1 last year, especially making that really tough catch on 3rd down to get us in field goal range.

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He had 10 catches in week one last year, and had 7 catches in one quarter of the first preseason game that he and Brady finally played in.

There were plenty of reasons for everyone to be excited until the injury occurred. That injury allowed Julian Edelman to build a nice rapport with Brady as there were no other targets (no Gronk, no Vereen, Dobson debuting in week #2, and Thompkins playing in his 2nd game).

One thing we can be thankful for is that it allowed that chemistry to happen, and they re-signed Edelman to a reasonable 4 yr deal in the offseason. In the meantime, they'll have to see if Amendola is willing to take a pay cut when the season's over. If he's not, then he'll be gone.

Danger Zone said:

Im not doing this anymore.

You have multiple arguments going in multiple threads about Amendola where you take the mildest and innocuous comment and turn it into an attack on Ammendola.

Thats your agenda. You knew exactly what I was talking about, you knew exactly what Ivan was referring to.

I am so done watching your psychotic energizer bunny need to argue semantics. You will now have the dubious honor of being the first and only poster on my Ignore list.

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I just wanted the links to the threads I opened about Amendola, you said I had multiple, if you want to ignore me because you made a false assertion that I opened this or any other thread and I proved you wrong, that is fine, but do not insult me because you make **** up and I call you out on it.

I love when posters like you quote MY posts, completely unprovoked, with ZERO interaction by me, and claim I started it, and call my psychotic; well if I am psychotic, you are a narcissist who is incapable of taking responsibility for his own actions. Look back in the thread, you came to me, not the other way around, so do not act like a ****ing victim, take responsilibty for your own actions, and stop crying because you got called on your false accusations.

Brady6 said:

Based on his APY, Amendola made $105,555 per reception last year, so yeah I am complaining.


It is hard to trust his judgment when he gave the contract to Amendola to begin with.

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You are complaining about a situation where Welker obviously didn't want to stay here, so they went after the next best thing. It's over...it already happened. There's no turning back or worrying about it. It's like a draft pick that didn't work out. It's not "our" money. They'll make the decision in the offseason to move on, unless he takes a major pay cut, but for the first 2 years it was widely understood that he'd be here.

Danny Amendola was widely believed around the league to be the next best thing to help mimic the loss of Welker. Belichick isn't in the habit of throwing ****loads of money at people for no good reason, so one can reasonably assume that they paid the going rate AND/OR decided to take it on a 2 year basis (which is probably the most likely).

There wasn't time or room to do anything else. Belichick's hand was tied. He obviously had no way of knowing that Julian Edelman would stay healthy and step up into a good WR. Our offense is predicated on the quick, shorter timing routes. There weren't many options out there.

Complain all you want....it doesn't bother me. I'm just trying to get you to understand why the majority of posters here think you're beating a dead horse, that's all.

supafly said:

You are complaining about a situation where Welker obviously didn't want to stay here, so they went after the next best thing. It's over...it already happened. There's no turning back or worrying about it. It's like a draft pick that didn't work out. It's not "our" money. They'll make the decision in the offseason to move on, unless he takes a major pay cut, but for the first 2 years it was widely understood that he'd be here.

Danny Amendola was widely believed around the league to be the next best thing to help mimic the loss of Welker. Belichick isn't in the habit of throwing ****loads of money at people for no good reason, so one can reasonably assume that they paid the going rate AND/OR decided to take it on a 2 year basis (which is probably the most likely).

There wasn't time or room to do anything else. Belichick's hand was tied. He obviously had no way of knowing that Julian Edelman would stay healthy and step up into a good WR. Our offense is predicated on the quick, shorter timing routes. There weren't many options out there.

Complain all you want....it doesn't bother me. I'm just trying to get you to understand why the majority of posters here think you're beating a dead horse, that's all.

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Why Amendola is here, the Welker connection it is all water under the bridge, 2013 is as well, I am talking about 2014, and this season Amendola has been targeted 6 times has 3 catches for 16 yards and 0 touchdowns. All last season I debated Amendola with you and many others, 99.9% of you said that you would not continue to defend Amendola if he underperformed this season, 2 weeks into the season he has played worse than last year and still excuses are being made, posters are justifying his performance. For me it is about my having to take the abuse and jihad accusations all last season with the commitment that posters would acknowledge they were wrong if Amendola was not better this year. Well nobody is doing that, in fact they are all just doing the same thing they did last year. This is not even about Amendola as much as it is about posters doing what they said they were going to do and not trying to sing the same song 2 seasons in a row because they cannot just admit they were wrong.

I said the truth about Amendola performance and got **** for it, so now I am going to make sure that posters acknowledge that they should not have taken issue with the things I said because they were accurate, and that is what this is all about, accountability, for Amendola and for the posters who defended him, took personal jabs at me, and lobbed baseless accusations all in an attempt to defend a player who they claimed would be significantly better in 2014.