Will Belichick actually use Revis PROPERLY this year?

PatsfanTN · Sep 13, 2014

ausbacker said:
I have my reservations regarding Patricia but the blame lies with Belichick. Belichick's defensive genius has not been on display for some time now. That said, it appears that he foresaw the direction the NFL was headed and move toward an offensive system. Unfortunately for the Patriots, the more things change the more they stay they same.

Ill can agree with that, the head coach is ultimately responsible for sure. I just dont understand what this guy brings to the table. Our defense has been in the cellar for years now, score 30+ to win. We have some talent now, lets see what they do with it.

ausbacker · Sep 13, 2014

PatsfanTN said:
Ill can agree with that, the head coach is ultimately responsible for sure. I just dont understand what this guy brings to the table. Our defense has been in the cellar for years now, score 30+ to win. We have some talent now, lets see what they do with it.

I'm sure Patricia has some positive qualities but I can't answer that for you @PatsfanTN as I'm yet to see it.

hwc · Sep 13, 2014

A quote from Pat Kirwin's excellent football primer for fans:

Man corners line up inside the receiver and try to force him outside. They use the sideline as a second defender and try to lure the quarterback into throwing a deep fade or other lower-percentage passes. The cardinal sin in man coverage is a corner allowing the receiver to cross his face on the snap of the ball and get inside, which compromises the integrity of the coverage. That receiver is going to be open, and there’s no help coming from anywhere else.

Kirwan, Pat; Seigerman, David (2010-08-01). Take Your Eye Off the Ball: How to Watch Football by Knowing Where to Look (Kindle Locations 2318-2322). Independent Publishers Group. Kindle Edition.

Sound like anything you've seen lately?

Five yards off the receiver, to the inside, butt towards the middle of the field is classic positioning for man coverage with no deep help.

As I recall, the one time that Revis got beat by Wallace, he got beat in exactly the way the textbook says you want to get beat, requiring a perfect throw and catch in a very difficult place with the sideline as the defender's best friend.

On the TD, Revis played it perfectly, batting the ball away as it arrived. The receiver caught the batted ball on the rebound. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

Sciz · Sep 13, 2014

PatsfanTN said:
Ill can agree with that, the head coach is ultimately responsible for sure. I just dont understand what this guy brings to the table. Our defense has been in the cellar for years now, score 30+ to win. We have some talent now, lets see what they do with it.

The Patriots are 6th in points allowed over the two seasons that Patricia has had the DC title.

JMC00 · Sep 13, 2014

Sciz said:
The Patriots are 6th in points allowed over the two seasons that Patricia has had the DC title.

No. No. Haven't you heard it's yards that is the be-all end-all in judging a defense.

Winning a game 28-27 and giving up 220 yards is much more impressive than winning a game 28-9 and giving up 300 yards.

Or least that's what some people want you to believe. Like the two douchebags from 2-6 on 98.5

pdangle · Sep 14, 2014

Jackson 2 said:
"...he has girl's name...??? Is this what it's come to? Holy ####...

Lighten up Francis...

ausbacker · Sep 14, 2014

Sciz said:
The Patriots are 6th in points allowed over the two seasons that Patricia has had the DC title.

In my opinion, it's a bit of give and take. The Patriots D has been able to perform to a reasonable level because of the Brady lead O. It's much the same as Seattle's O is allowed to dictate the way they play because of their dominant D.

randomk1 · Sep 14, 2014

Sciz said:
The Patriots are 6th in points allowed over the two seasons that Patricia has had the DC title.

Sure didn't felt like they were the 6th best D in football when they got smacked around in the playoffs.

Brady_to_Moss · Sep 14, 2014

PatsfanTN said:
Ill can agree with that, the head coach is ultimately responsible for sure. I just dont understand what this guy brings to the table. Our defense has been in the cellar for years now, score 30+ to win. We have some talent now, lets see what they do with it.

Pats give up yards...but not points and create a lot of turnovers. That wins you games

Sciz · Sep 14, 2014

randomk1 said:
Sure didn't felt like they were the 6th best D in football when they got smacked around in the playoffs.

They never got smacked around in the playoffs until Talib got hurt both years. I think we can all agree they would have allowed more points had he missed more time during the regular season.

Gumby · Sep 14, 2014

hwc said:
A quote from Pat Kirwin's excellent football primer for fans:

Sound like anything you've seen lately?

Five yards off the receiver, to the inside, butt towards the middle of the field is classic positioning for man coverage with no deep help.

As I recall, the one time that Revis got beat by Wallace, he got beat in exactly the way the textbook says you want to get beat, requiring a perfect throw and catch in a very difficult place with the sideline as the defender's best friend.

On the TD, Revis played it perfectly, batting the ball away as it arrived. The receiver caught the batted ball on the rebound. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

Not so sure about the perfectly there, Wallace was between him n the qb, he REACTED well by reaching around, but if he was on the inside of Wallace on the crossing part of the route ( and not just the sideline part) that would be an int or safe knockdown. So according to Kirwan, he was out of position, but I think intent was to rely on the under lb help and tannys known inaccuracy, oh well...first time he throws a strike

hwc · Sep 14, 2014

In my book, when a cornerback successfully knocks the ball away, even if it requires reaching around the receiver, he's played it pretty darn well. That was just a really bad break that the ball popped up in the air for the receiver to get it on the rebound. That also may not have been man coverage on the goal line. I don't remember and I'd rather get a root canal than go back and watch that game again.

I would have to say that Revis was the LAST player on the entire Pats team to complain about from the Miami debacle. The entire offense was unspeakably horrible. Butt fumble horrible. The o line stunk. The TE's stunk. The WR stunk. The running backs stunk. The QB stunk.

On defense, the run defense was ugly. And the pass rush was unsuccessful.

Ivan · Sep 14, 2014

Danger Zone said:
Why are so many posters and the media making the mistake of assuming that Belichick is the pigeon holing kind of coach that is so rigid in his thinking and scheming that he will pound his round-peg players into square holes?

If anything, he is the opposite.

Maybe his fault is in asking for too much versatility from his players.

Im guessing his game plan is as it always has been and that means it is going to change week to week depending on the opponent. It wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't trying to coach his players to be comfortable in every kind of defense and that might mean having players like Jones and Revis playing in a 3-4 as well as a 4-3 and in zone as well as man-to-man.

The Dolphins game felt like growing pains or maybe even just an experiment. There was nothing about it that felt like Belichick had suddenly changed his stripes and is about to pigeon hole his players permanently into roles they aren't suited for.

Agree completely, that had the feel of a pre-season game for the Patriots and it cost them a game. They should have been ready for week one but they still didn't seem to have any cohesion at all. Even when they were leading in the first half they didn't seem like they were winning the battles as units. They really need to bounce back this week and demonstrate that some of the major concerns are being fixed. I would like to see them put out their OL going forward and not keep trying them out, and while i doubt it will happen I hope they start to use Chandler Jones in the old Willie McGinest Elephant role where they essentially can go from 3-4 to 4-3 on the fly. And while I will always take the win I really want to see them make a statement in the game that gives them some identity

DarrylS · Sep 14, 2014

"Will Belichick actually use Revis PROPERLY this year?"

Yes

Jackson 2 · Sep 14, 2014

pdangle said:
Lighten up Francis...

No, I enjoy this...

mgteich · Sep 14, 2014

PatsfanTN said:
Ill can agree with that, the head coach is ultimately responsible for sure. I just dont understand what this guy brings to the table. Our defense has been in the cellar for years now, score 30+ to win. We have some talent now, lets see what they do with it.

Top 10 in defense is the cellar, an interesting perspective.

voluntarysaftey · Sep 14, 2014

ausbacker said:
I have my reservations regarding Patricia but the blame lies with Belichick. Belichick's defensive genius has not been on display for some time now. That said, it appears that he foresaw the direction the NFL was headed and move toward an offensive system. Unfortunately for the Patriots, the more things change the more they stay they same.

I think the bigger conversation is whether Belichick is no longer a defensive genius. It's possible the rest of the league caught up to him and some of them have surpassed him. Sub in an average QB for Brady and our last few years our teams would've stunk.

1960Pats · Sep 14, 2014

voluntarysaftey said:
I think the bigger conversation is whether Belichick is no longer a defensive genius. It's possible the rest of the league caught up to him and some of them have surpassed him. Sub in an average QB for Brady and our last few years our teams would've stunk.

If we had worse QB play and stunk, we would have had the opportunity to draft much better players. I don't think it can be overlooked that the Pats have been drafting at or near the end of every round of the draft every year and in spite of that, even in the two years that the team didn't go to the playoffs, with the exception of Belichick's first year, the team had the best record in the AFCE. In my opinion that's a remarkable record that no other coach would have achieved.

That doesn't mean that Belichick is perfect though, and that he's above criticism, but damn he's a great HC. But like all coaches, he doesn't win the games, the players do. He can only put them in position to win and they have to do the work. The only exception to that I can think of right now was that awful 4th and 2 play in Indy. That was the dumbest move that I've ever seen him make.

convertedpatsfan · Sep 14, 2014

randomk1 said:
Sure didn't felt like they were the 6th best D in football when they got smacked around in the playoffs.

It wasn't their finest day, but giving up 24 on the road without your best 3 starters to a team that averaged 38 per game while your offense fizzles isn't exactly the most embarrassing display ever either.

Take away the top 3 starters on any defense (including the Seahawks, who I believe have one of the best of all-time) and you would see a similar picture.

I don't even know why I have to explain this.

Clonamery · Sep 14, 2014

PP, great thread........for a trip to the bathroom. Thanks!

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