Vikings RB Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse; deactivated for Pats game at Minnesota

Christiancat · Sep 13, 2014

Joker said:
I resent anyone's smarmy and self rightteous assertion

You know, CC...me too. THAT is probably my greatest fault(out of innumerable ones). When I read the smarm, the self righteous posts,the chest thumping "I'm better than everybody" dissertations in broken English, using poor syntax I admit I have to slap myself in the head and realize that this thing, this construct we call the net, the world wide web, is the bastard progeny of Andy Warhol's proclamation in 1968..

In the future, everybody will be world famous for 15 minutes. In the future everyone will have their fifteen minutes of fame.

This IS the Smarmternet now....entropy will run its course, to where only God knows...

Yeah, this is a tough case and a very interesting thread.

Jackson 2 · Sep 13, 2014

Captain Cliche said:
There was no doubt from the onset this would end up with a side discussion about differing opinions on parenting.

I don't know how to tell my story w/o being long winded but....
I raised my daughter as a single dad from the oilfield (2 weeks on 2weeks off) with the help of a hired nanny and her husband...a lovely older couple. They were from the South and we knew what a switch was. My daughter got a few spankings from both of us. I don't think she ever got the switch. The spankings were more ritual than painful, but she knew they were there if all else failed....never in anger. IMHO time outs, bribes, threats, politicking only get you so far. I read a wonderful article that said don't be a politician and don't micromanage. You're the parent, they're the kid. You set the rules and they have fun and do dumb things. One time my daughter came back from playing with the neighbor's daughter with mud smeared on her face. They were playing "makeup" with a mud puddle. I told her "I love you when you're purdy and I love you wen you're dirty." You could see her just expand, knowing I loved her unconditionally. That's the 'don't micromanage' part.
When she got older she told me, "Dad, I like how you do it. You tell me what to do or not do and that's the end of it." That's the 'don't politic' part. Not total dictator, but ultimately I'm the parent, you're the kid.
Where is she now? She's an airman first class on the carrier George H W Bush. This is an A student who declined an interview with MIT because she wanted to serve her country. "Dad, all those college kids do is drink and smoke pot every weekend." This is a kid who watched her mother suck **** for crack. Who was left alone all night and wandered the neighborhood knocking on doors at 2 in the morning in her PJ's. Who slept all night in unchanged diapers and got up alone to eat dry cereal. When saw her, her hair was so dirty it looked like dread locks (I did not know that this was my child at the time). I fell in love with this pluckly little girl before I found out she was mine. I offered to take her in until her mother was done wih her current binge.
So what's my point?

1. I resent anyone's smarmy and self rightteous assertion that their 'hands off' approach is superior. I did not elect you as my moral police. Not all kids get the perfect start in life. All I lacked as a youth was a good kick in the ass. The worst behaved children I have encountered are the ones that have never been spanked. I hold my council and respect their right to raise a child as they see fit...despite the fact that these kids appear exceptionally disrespectful and immature.

2. AP has no right as a part time dad to inject his mis-guided attempt at disipline. My kid's mother would blow in from time to time and demand rights she did not deserve nor have. It only served to upset what was already in place and give her small relief from her guilty feelings as a failed parent. She never had her daughter's best interests in mind. As far as excessive force by AP...that seems pretty obvious. That's for the system to decide.

BradyFTW! · Sep 13, 2014

RobAllan said:
Presumption of innocence is a right in the courtroom, not in the street. Everyone thinks OJ is guilty because he murdered someone. Many people think Ray Lewis is guilty for the same. If AP didn't want people thinking he was guilty of child abuse, the best practice would've probably been not to beat one with a stick and then text about it.

We shouldn't vilify people for having a little common sense when looking at information because it makes trials more difficult. That's why there's a trial and we don't get to lynch people right off. Our biggest problem in society these days is because people just don't think anymore- having people think less won't help anything.

The number of people who don't understand this opinion is absolutely baffling.

Presumption of innocence doesn't apply to posters on a message board. It's a legal principle, so if you're not on the jury, it matters however much or little you think it should.

Reminds me of the people who say incendiary nonsense, lose their jobs, then go apeshit claiming that their first amendment rights were violated.

Jackson 2 · Sep 13, 2014

Incredibly well-put, Captain C. Despite the desire of many (including yours truly at times) to make this a black and white, no-gray matter, it's a complex subject. While I fall into the camp of those who believe corporal punishment is not the way to discipline children, I also recognize that I'm not an all-knowing expert who has intimate knowledge of every parent/child relationship. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Dingleberry · Sep 13, 2014

I fail to see how anything about this is complicated or residing in some "gray area" between acceptable parental discipline and unacceptable.

Take those pictures of AP's kid, all cut up and bruised. Now pretend that is a picture of his wife or girlfriend in that condition. He would be rightfully getting the Ray Rice treatment times 2.

What is vile, disgusting, unforgivable treatment of a grown woman is somehow a complicated issue when it's a kid taking the beating? I would love to hear the "logic" to explain that one.

Just because it is/was a common form of parenting does not justify anything. We can all count the number of horrible things that were once acceptable to society. I would like to think our society has evolved enough that it is an accepted fact that beating the **** out of a 4 year old kid is just as bad (really, it's worse) than beating the **** out of another adult.

And I am sensitive about the government EVER sticking its nose into the raising of my kids. But Jeezus, assault is assault, no matter the age of the victim.

Jackson 2 · Sep 13, 2014

Dingleberry said:
I fail to see how anything about this is complicated or residing in some "gray area" between acceptable parental discipline and unacceptable.

Take those pictures of AP's kid, all cut up and bruised. Now pretend that is a picture of his wife or girlfriend in that condition. He would be rightfully getting the Ray Rice treatment times 2.

What is vile, disgusting, unforgivable treatment of a grown woman is somehow a complicated issue when it's a kid taking the beating? I would love to hear the "logic" to explain that one.

Just because it is/was a common form of parenting does not justify anything. We can all count the number of horrible things that were once acceptable to society. I would like to think our society has evolved enough that it is an accepted fact that beating the **** out of a 4 year old kid is just as bad (really, it's worse) than beating the **** out of another adult.

And I am sensitive about the government EVER sticking its nose into the raising of my kids. But Jeezus, assault is assault, no matter the age of the victim.

There are degrees of corporal punishment. A parent who gently slaps the hand of a child as a method of correction is a far cry from the type of injuries allegedly inflicted by Peterson. In the strictest sense, both are corporal punishment. I would never use physical contact as a disciplinary method, simply because I believe it sends a damaging message to the child. But, I can't pretend to believe I can pass judgment on every parent/child situation. Oh, and by the way, while I think governmental oversight at times is misplaced, overall I'm glad we live in a society which rigorously protects the interests of children and their safety. Given my "druthers", I like that far better than the absence of such laws.

ctpatsfan77 · Sep 13, 2014

Dingleberry said:
I fail to see how anything about this is complicated or residing in some "gray area" between acceptable parental discipline and unacceptable.

To be fair, I think @Jackson 2 used "this" to mean the concept of discipline, not the specifics of the AP case.

If, after seeing the photos, anyone thinks that's an appropriate response to a child shoving another child, well, I don't want that person around my family.

Dingleberry · Sep 13, 2014

Jackson 2 said:
There are degrees of corporal punishment. A parent who gently slaps the hand of a child as a method of correction is a far cry from the type of injuries allegedly inflicted by Peterson. In the strictest sense, both are corporal punishment. I would never use physical contact as a disciplinary method, simply because I believe it sends a damaging message to the child. But, I can't pretend to believe I can pass judgment on every parent/child situation. Oh, and by the way, while I think governmental oversight at times is misplaced, overall I'm glad we live in a society which rigorously protects the interests of children and their safety. Given my "druthers", I like that far better than the absence of such laws.

I agree about not passing judgment. And truthfully, I don't see much harm (if any) with a light smack on the hand or on the arse. It's not my thing. But I get it.

The switch? A belt? I judge with prejudice. It's antiquated, hard ass, bullsh1t.

I don't judge my 90 year old grandfather using the "N" word jokingly. He comes from a time where it was mostly accepted and all too common. My brother uses the "N" word? I judge.

I don't judge an old man who used such severe corporal punishment generations ago. It was acceptable. It's sick, but it was acceptable and that's how it was. A current parent assaults his kid? I judge with extreme prejudice.

Dingleberry · Sep 13, 2014

ctpatsfan77 said:
To be fair, I think @Jackson 2 used "this" to mean the concept of discipline, not the specifics of the AP case.

If, after seeing the photos, anyone thinks that's an appropriate response to a child shoving another child, well, I don't want that person around my family.

I agree, and I apologize to Jackson 2 because my turn on the soapbox appeared to be directed at him. I didn't mean it that way at all. I was a little frustrated by other examples elsewhere of blind justification that using a switch is still a cultural form of punishment.

Jackson 2 · Sep 13, 2014

Dingleberry said:
I agree about not passing judgment. And truthfully, I don't see much harm (if any) with a light smack on the hand or on the arse. It's not my thing. But I get it.

The switch? A belt? I judge with prejudice. It's antiquated, hard ass, bullsh1t.

I don't judge my 90 year old grandfather using the "N" word jokingly. He comes from a time where it was mostly accepted and all too common. My brother uses the "N" word? I judge.

I don't judge an old man who used such severe corporal punishment generations ago. It was acceptable. It's sick, but it was acceptable and that's how it was. A current parent assaults his kid? I judge with extreme prejudice.

Honestly, I don't think our viewpoints are at all at odds with one another.

Jackson 2 · Sep 13, 2014

Dingleberry said:
I agree, and I apologize to Jackson 2 because my turn on the soapbox appeared to be directed at him. I didn't mean it that way at all. I was a little frustrated by other examples elsewhere of blind justification that using a switch is still a cultural form of punishment.

No apology necessary. Not many pots boil hotter than mine. I spent my entire career working with young children and their families. I am unapologetically unable to be objective when it comes to the welfare of kids.

Jackson 2 · Sep 13, 2014

ctpatsfan77 said:
To be fair, I think @Jackson 2 used "this" to mean the concept of discipline, not the specifics of the AP case.

If, after seeing the photos, anyone thinks that's an appropriate response to a child shoving another child, well, I don't want that person around my family.

Thanks, ct. You actually more succinctly expressed my intent than I did.

chasa · Sep 13, 2014

with rice and peterson lately this really hits home:

QuantumMechanic · Sep 13, 2014

Here's another excellent piece on Peterson and what the NFL should do, by that same Vikings fanblogger who wrote up that great scouting report:

http://vikingsterritory.com/2014/offtopic/on-adrian-peterson-and-where-to-go-from-here

Joker · Sep 13, 2014

I read the entire piece, RL...that man is very intelligent and well educated...where he threw me was the first two tweets...

nick wright ✔ @getnickwright Follow
I truly believe Peterson loves and cares for his so. I believe Peterson feels bad about the child's injuries & that most weren't intended.

9:16 PM - 12 Sep 2014
nick wright ✔ @getnickwright Follow
I also fully believe that the child has been, by the legal definition and common sense definition, abused. This is where it gets tricky...

9:17 PM - 12 Sep 2014https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/510598212919373824

Don't you wonder whether AP is playing with a full deck or not? I do.

"I love him so, I whipped his scrotum..."...uh uh...not buying it. What THAT is is a man consumed with some kind of blind rage, be it suppression coming to the surface or sadism. You don't savagely whip a body and NOT see the marks you are inflicting. He cut skin...on a FOUR YEAR OLD BOY. You can slice this "Hallelujah! The Lord be praised for showing me the true path of justice!' fundamentalist mindset like a Thanksgiving turkey, it still comes out RAW MEAT.

We will see the dichotomy of justice as it applies regionally when this gets to court. If Justice Buford T. ****er sees it in the light of "aw shucks, fellers, I got muh hide tanned worsen that when I was 3, he's a good man and loves that little boy", and then hands down some paper mache punishment like a year of Sunday school visits and a fine, well...I will be livid BUT I won't be surprised. You can tell from the stream of social media tonight that fans are already looking for outs so that Peterson can get back to being A.P.

https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/510598212919373824

crew1954 · Sep 13, 2014

rlcarr said:
I think what I saw elsewhere is probably what happened...

The prosecutor did an intentionally half-a**ed effort the first time around because Peterson is rich, a football player, has connections, etc.

And then as outrage began to grow about the Ray Rice wristslap (even before the video came out), the prosecutor figured "oh cr*p -- if those pictures ever get out or people find out more details I and my re-election chances could be in trouble" and so decided to convene a second grand jury and give it an honest effort this time around.

Even if this is the case I don't think the prosecutor should get a 'do over'. In any case, the wrath of the public should have no bearing on the legal system.

Tunescribe · Sep 14, 2014

rlcarr said:
Here's another excellent piece on Peterson and what the NFL should do, by that same Vikings fanblogger who wrote up that great scouting report:

http://vikingsterritory.com/2014/offtopic/on-adrian-peterson-and-where-to-go-from-here

Sorry, gotta disagree about that "article." It's a meandering pseudo-sociological mishmash of conjecture and cobbled-together references from wildly disparate sources (Journal of Urban Affairs? Soccernomics?). And then, after overwriting by several thousand words, he concludes the Peterson case is something we all can learn from, and that he hopes the innocently ignorant Peterson "will learn and revive his reputation and career." Huh? Spoken like the true Vikings homer he is.

Here's the deal: I don't need the NFL to "teach" me by example about the evils of dogfighting, gangland murder, spousal battery or child abuse. I can do without those kinds of "opportunities" suddenly made cause celebre by wayward millionaire athletes. I'm sick of it. People like Vick, Rice, Hernandez, Peterson, etc. should be seen in the eyes of the law just like you, me and Joe Blow down the street. No more, no less. And if Peterson somehow manages to "learn and revive his reputation and career" AFTER the criminal/legal process has run its course, fine. Until then, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing the league office hold players to a higher standard of conduct via their privileged status in the public eye. The Ravens finally did the right thing with Rice after getting backed into a corner. The Vikings were smarter. Hopefully, zero tolerance becomes status quo for bad actors, regardless of how "important" they might be to their team.

ctpatsfan77 · Sep 14, 2014

As an interesting point—not that this proves anything one way or the other—AP's current contract began in 2011, so he's got three years left.

By NFL rules, bonuses can only be prorated over, at most, five years. While some of his future salaries may be guaranteed, almost everything they owe him for the remainder of his contract would disappear from their cap if they release him.

In other words, they probably can't use "We can't afford to cut him" as an excuse to keep him around (the way that, right now, the Ratbirds can do with Flacco).

ausbacker · Sep 14, 2014

BradyFTW! said:
The number of people who don't understand this opinion is absolutely baffling.

Presumption of innocence doesn't apply to posters on a message board. It's a legal principle, so if you're not on the jury, it matters however much or little you think it should.

Reminds me of the people who say incendiary nonsense, lose their jobs, then go apeshit claiming that their first amendment rights were violated.

The problem with public opinion is people form their opinion without all the facts. From there, issues have the potential to snowball.

BradyFTW! · Sep 14, 2014

Joker said:
I read the entire piece, RL...that man is very intelligent and well educated...where he threw me was the first two tweets...

nick wright [emoji818] @getnickwright Follow
I truly believe Peterson loves and cares for his so. I believe Peterson feels bad about the child's injuries & that most weren't intended.

9:16 PM - 12 Sep 2014
nick wright [emoji818] @getnickwright Follow
I also fully believe that the child has been, by the legal definition and common sense definition, abused. This is where it gets tricky...

9:17 PM - 12 Sep 2014https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/510598212919373824

Don't you wonder whether AP is playing with a full deck or not? I do.

"I love him so, I whipped his scrotum..."...uh uh...not buying it. What THAT is is a man consumed with some kind of blind rage, be it suppression coming to the surface or sadism. You don't savagely whip a body and NOT see the marks you are inflicting. He cut skin...on a FOUR YEAR OLD BOY. You can slice this "Hallelujah! The Lord be praised for showing me the true path of justice!' fundamentalist mindset like a Thanksgiving turkey, it still comes out RAW MEAT.

We will see the dichotomy of justice as it applies regionally when this gets to court. If Justice Buford T. ****er sees it in the light of "aw shucks, fellers, I got muh hide tanned worsen that when I was 3, he's a good man and loves that little boy", and then hands down some paper mache punishment like a year of Sunday school visits and a fine, well...I will be livid BUT I won't be surprised. You can tell from the stream of social media tonight that fans are already looking for outs so that Peterson can get back to being A.P.

https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/510598212919373824

Pretty much. I think what we all need to come to terms with is the fact that Adrian Peterson is a really, really ****ing stupid human being. It is what it is. He already won the genetic lottery with his athleticism- having a reasonably functional brain on top of that was just too much.

Honestly, I believe that his intentions probably weren't the worst. He probably even though he was helping to develop his kid into a strong, independent man. And we shouldn't lose sight of his probable intent in all of this.

That said, whatever his intent was, he's an abusive parent. Full stop. He needs to learn how to be a parent, and his ignorance is not an excuse. I hope he does, for his and his children's sake.

Vikings RB Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse; deactivated for Pats game at Minnesota

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

Goodell sucks

PatsFans.com Supporter

A master debater and a cunning linguist

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

A master debater and a cunning linguist

A master debater and a cunning linguist

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

Burn it all down!

PatsFans.com Supporter

Third String But Playing on Special Teams

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

TB12

Goodell sucks

Similar threads