Cam Newton "Donkey Kong Suh" comments

What's up with this guy? Seems a little strange. He's messing with another nut job, who doesn't need much motivation to stomp someones head. And, as one reporter said, if it were a white player who said this, there'd be a demand for an apology, at best. Just seems odd that Cam would pull this, with all the attention the NFL is getting right now. A bad attempt at humor? Cam doesn't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...-cam-newton-repeats-same-answer-over-and-over , http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...ewton-were-white-he-d-apologize-Ndamukong-Suh

I wouldn't apologize to Suh if I were a white quarterback and said that to the media. The dude looks like Donkey Kong. The real question (the one that will never get answered) is why does race immediately spring to peoples' minds when a comparison with a video game gorilla is brought up? Is that not the sheer definition of racism in and of itself? When I first heard that, I laughed because the comparison is apt. I didn't immediately stop to think of a connection to race.

Anyway, Newton had better watch his knees, ribs, and head if he leaves the pocket. You know Suh is going to be hunting.

I don't understand the "if Cam Newton was white, there would be an uproar" thing. Of course there would be, white people have compared black people to monkeys for centuries to justify horrible things like slavery, apartheid, and Jim Crow. But Cam Newton's not white, so that's all academic. It was merely a bad attempt at a dis. Newton's an idiot, but I don't think he should have to apologize.

KontradictioN said:

I wouldn't apologize to Suh if I were a white quarterback and said that to the media. The dude looks like Donkey Kong. The real question (the one that will never get answered) is why does race immediately spring to peoples' minds when a comparison with a video game gorilla is brought up? Is that not the sheer definition of racism in and of itself? When I first heard that, I laughed because the comparison is apt. I didn't immediately stop to think of a connection to race.

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No, and you're showing intense ignorance here. Such a comment is racially charged because white people have used comparisons of black people to lower primates for centuries to justify policies of white supremacy. That's historical fact, and it's why such a statement would be particularly racially charged if it came from the mouth of a white quarterback. But, again, academic - Newton is not white.

That was one of the corniest things I've ever seen. Especially how he tried to force the joke every time he repeated it. It's like he was expecting people to burst out laughing but they didn't. He thought it was so witty.

Also - "trying to get protected by Donkey Kong Suh" ... Oh, you think he's going to protect you?

And wouldn't everyone be crying "racism!" if a white person said this?

primetime said:

No, and you're showing intense ignorance here. Such a comment is racially charged because white people have used comparisons of black people to lower primates for centuries to justify policies of white supremacy. That's historical fact, and it's why such a statement would be particularly racially charged if it came from the mouth of a white quarterback.

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1. A white quarterback didn't say it, a black quarterback did.

2. Hasn't there been some sort of progression since the 1800's and early to mid 1900's, or am I wrong on that one?

3. How am I showing ignorance of any type of race didn't immediately come to mind for me even though I'm aware that slave owners called black people chimps, gorillas, etc?

And you still haven't answered the question. Isn't the mere fact that the thought of race pops to one's mind first not the sheer definition of racism in and of itself? Further, you excuse Cam Newton as being an idiot simply because he's black but you seem not to be willing to do the same if the player was white. Why is that? Is it your opinion that a white quarterback is incapable of saying something idiotic without having any racially fueled intent behind the statement? Please explain yourself here.

If a prominent white quarterback said it, you would have a story that would push even Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson into the background

SB39 said:

If a prominent white quarterbacks said it, you would have a story that would push even Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson into the backround

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Of course. ESPN would have an agenda to push now that Michael Sam is hidden in the practice squad and there's no new news stories on that front. They would cream their pants then splatter this story at the beginning, middle, and end of every single SportsCenter.

KontradictioN said:

1. A white quarterback didn't say it, a black quarterback did.

2. Hasn't there been some sort of progression since the 1800's and early to mid 1900's, or am I wrong on that one?

3. How am I showing ignorance of any type of race didn't immediately come to mind for me even though I'm aware that slave owners called black people chimps, gorillas, etc?

And you still haven't answered the question. Isn't the mere fact that the thought of race pops to one's mind first not the sheer definition of racism in and of itself? Further, you excuse Cam Newton as being an idiot simply because he's black but you seem not to be willing to do the same if the player was white. Why is that? Is it your opinion that a white quarterback is incapable of saying something idiotic without having any racially fueled intent behind the statement? Please explain yourself here.

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Don't bother defending yourself against people who find racism in everyday things. They are causes looking for outlets, and nothing more. Hairy white men are called gorillas and silverbacks (as they age) for humor. George Bush was frequently depicted as a chimp in the media. If people can't understand the distinction between an obviously non-racist statement that's capable of being twisted into something it's not, and true racism, that's a failing of theirs, not of the speaker's.

KontradictioN said:

1. A white quarterback didn't say it, a black quarterback did.

2. Hasn't there been some sort of progression since the 1800's and early to mid 1900's, or am I wrong on that one?

3. How am I showing ignorance of any type of race didn't immediately come to mind for me even though I'm aware that slave owners called black people chimps, gorillas, etc?

And you still haven't answered the question. Isn't the mere fact that the thought of race pops to one's mind first not the sheer definition of racism in and of itself? Further, you excuse Cam Newton as being an idiot simply because he's black but you seem not to be willing to do the same if the player was white. Why is that? Is it your opinion that a white quarterback is incapable of saying something idiotic without having any racially fueled intent behind the statement? Please explain yourself here.

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Where have you been?..... Welcome to the world of "Political Correctness". Especially in the public eye. Many don't agree with it, But...

Deus Irae said:

Don't bother defending yourself against people who find racism in everyday things. They are causes looking for outlets, and nothing more. Hairy white men are called gorillas and silverbacks (as they age) for humor. George Bush was frequently depicted as a chimp in the media. If people can't understand the distinction between an obviously non-racist statement that's capable of being twisted into something it's not, and true racism, that's a failing of theirs, not of the speaker's.

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Yeah, this is true. Not sure why I'm wasting my time. Thanks for reminding me how useless of a conversation this is. I'll just go ahead and read the strawman that he builds next while trying to squirm his way out of the last paragraph and lurk from there. primetime, the floor is your's.

KontradictioN said:

1. A white quarterback didn't say it, a black quarterback did.

2. Hasn't there been some sort of progression since the 1800's and early to mid 1900's, or am I wrong on that one?

3. How am I showing ignorance of any type of race didn't immediately come to mind for me even though I'm aware that slave owners called black people chimps, gorillas, etc?

And you still haven't answered the question. Isn't the mere fact that the thought of race pops to one's mind first not the sheer definition of racism in and of itself? Further, you excuse Cam Newton as being an idiot simply because he's black but you seem not to be willing to do the same if the player was white. Why is that? Is it your opinion that a white quarterback is incapable of saying something idiotic without having any racially fueled intent behind the statement? Please explain yourself here.

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I stated above that it was academic whether a white quarterback would have to apologize because Cam Newton is himself black.

There has been a progression over the last few centuries. For example, white people who refer to black people as gorillas in public are shunned.

You're showing ignorance of history. Responding to your "the real racism" argument, I'll just point you to Jamelle Bouie, who puts it better than I am capable of: http://www.thenation.com/blog/169138/apparently-real-racists-are…-anti-racists#

For what it's worth, Ndamukong Suh looks like a human being, not a gorilla.

primetime said:

I don't understand the "if Cam Newton was white, there would be an uproar" thing. Of course there would be, white people have compared black people to monkeys for centuries to justify horrible things like slavery, apartheid, and Jim Crow. But Cam Newton's not white, so that's all academic. It was merely a bad attempt at a dis. Newton's an idiot, but I don't think he should have to apologize.

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So having different rules for different people somehow makes things better?

primetime said:

For what it's worth, Ndamukong Suh looks like a human being, not a gorilla.

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Suh's physical strength and power is what prompted the gorilla comment, there's a reason people don't refer to slim black WRs as gorillas.

Snake Eyes said:

Suh's physical strength and power is what prompted the gorilla comment, there's a reason people don't refer to slim black WRs as gorillas.

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Saying he looks like a gorilla and saying he's as strong as a gorilla are two different things, though. And the fact that his first name ends with "kong" prompted the Donkey Kong quip from Newton - it was nothing more than a bad joke, with the intended punchline being that it's hard to pronounce Ndamukong. Except it's not.

Snake Eyes said:

Suh's physical strength and power is what prompted the gorilla comment, there's a reason people don't refer to slim black WRs as gorillas.

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primetime said:

Saying he looks like a gorilla and saying he's as strong as a gorilla are two different things, though. And the fact that his first name ends with "kong" prompted the Donkey Kong quip from Newton - it was nothing more than a bad joke, with the intended punchline being that it's hard to pronounce Ndamukong. Except it's not.

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This is why you don't bother defending against people who think they see racism in every day things.

Silver Blue&Red said:

What's up with this guy? Seems a little strange. He's messing with another nut job, who doesn't need much motivation to stomp someones head. And, as one reporter said, if it were a white player who said this, there'd be a demand for an apology, at best. Just seems odd that Cam would pull this, with all the attention the NFL is getting right now. A bad attempt at humor? Cam doesn't come across as the sharpest tool in the shed. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...-cam-newton-repeats-same-answer-over-and-over , http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...ewton-were-white-he-d-apologize-Ndamukong-Suh

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they were college team mates at Auburn...i am sure everything is fine and some of ytou are blowing this way out of proportion

Deus Irae said:

This is why you don't bother defending against people who think they see racism in every day things.

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I have a theory that people like that never had black friends.

White dudes have been called ape faced before and referred to as a big gorilla types as well. When race is first thing somebody thinks of, they are being racist because it shows what's on their mind. Race