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Vikings RB Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse; deactivated for Pats game at Minnesota


This is Texas folks, where the value system is somewhat different than ours... to indict someone for child abuse is probably beyond discipline, and into the realm of corporal punishment..

This is serious shyt.. not run of the mill discipline.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/


Just to clarify, corporal punishment is legal in Texas.

So for them to bring charges against AP indicates that they feel this goes way beyond corporal punishment. I would be flabbergasted if he escaped punishment of any kind.

This is a litmus test for the NFL. Cutting Rice probably will not affect the Ravens win-loss record as he was already in decline and was being used less and less.

However, cutting or suspending AP guarantees that the Vikings will end up in the cellar of the NFC North.

What is more important to them? We'll see.
 
Just to clarify, corporal punishment is legal in Texas.

So for them to bring charges against AP indicates that they feel this goes way beyond corporal punishment. I would be flabbergasted if he escaped punishment of any kind.

This is a litmus test for the NFL. Cutting Rice probably will not affect the Ravens win-loss record as he was already in decline and was being used less and less.

However, cutting or suspending AP guarantees that the Vikings will end up in the cellar of the NFC North.

What is more important to them? We'll see.

If those pictures aren't doctored in any way, shape, or form, this isn't corporal punishment. This is pretty clear cut abuse.
 
If those pictures aren't doctored in any way, shape, or form, this isn't corporal punishment. This is pretty clear cut abuse.

No doubt.

I am just discussing how the state of Texas is looking at this. My point in showing that corporal punishment is legal in Texas, is to show that they have a more lenient view of a parent physically punishing their kid, than say, in Massachusetts. So if they are bringing charges, it must mean that they are viewing it as something a lot more than "corporal punishment."

As far as my personal opinion- I don't agree with physically punishing a kid, and my view, and like others on this thread have said, is that it's just the lazy way out for people who don't want to spend the time or energy reasoning with, or explaining things to, their kids.
 
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No doubt.

I am just discussing how the state of Texas is looking at this. My point in showing that corporal punishment is legal in Texas, is to show that they have a more lenient view of a parent physically punishing their kid, than say, in Massachusetts. So if they are bringing charges,

As far as my personal opinion- I don't agree with physically punishing a kid, and my view, and like others on this thread have said, is that it's just the lazy way out for people who don't want to spend the time or energy reasoning with, or explaining things to, their kids.
I think it goes beyond lazy. MOST physical punishment of kids is dealt in anger/frustration as a means to control -- not with loving intent to teach the difference between right and wrong. It sends the wrong message.
 
Not to change the subject, but at least the Vikes did the right thing and deactivated him (although I might argue they should have cut him).

Down in Carolina, they are "waiting for the legal process to play out" on Greg Hardy even though he has already been convicted. Hardy was convicted by a judge for domestic violence, but in North Carolina he automatically gets an appeal with a jury trial. So it looks like Jerry Richardson (cried about how takes domestic violence seriously this week while he will have a convicted domestic violence offender starting on his team this weekend) is protecting his $13 million franchise tag investment on Hardy by letting him play out that number and let the league suspend him next season when he is someone else's problem (or a free agent without a team).

If Goodell has any chance of keeping his job, he has to stop hiding behind "letting the legal process play out" and indefinitely suspend guys like Peterson, Hardy, and McDonald. Both Peterson and Hardy deserve more than the six game suspension. It is unclear about McDonald since the allegations are murky, but his victim was pregnant so he could be worse than Peterson and Hardy.
 
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No doubt.
I am just discussing how the state of Texas is looking at this. My point in showing that corporal punishment is legal in Texas, is to show that they have a more lenient view of a parent physically punishing their kid, than say, in Massachusetts. So if they are bringing charges,
As far as my personal opinion- I don't agree with physically punishing a kid, and my view, and like others on this thread have said, is that it's just the lazy way out for people who don't want to spend the time or energy reasoning with, or explaining things to, their kids.
My parents spent plenty of time reasoning and explaining things to me. They grounded me, restricted things, took things away, and physically disciplined me if the fight or situation called for it. Sometimes I was a rotten bastard and the situation WOULD call for it. The kids I knew who were like me and didn't have to fear any sort of physical discipline became medicated by their parents when things got out of hand at school and at home. Ritalin, Adderall, Xanax, you name it. Those were the kids that became more and more messed up in the head as they were getting older. In the end, I'm not the rotten, little punk I used to be. It's highly debateable if I would have become the man I am today without a hands on approach by my parents as far as punishment and discipline went. If you could go back to my junior year in high school, I don't doubt my teachers and administrators would have told you that they thought I would have went to a juvenile facility and, later, jail at this age. Even though my grades were good in school (which is something of a paradox), I was a rotten punk until I hit the age of 17. The one thing that kept me in line from time to time was the fear of coming home and getting a whooping administered to me.

Now I have two degrees, I'm in a stable relationship, I don't have any substance abuse issues, and I'm saving toward my first house. They did a wonderful job of rounding me into a productive member of society. Like I said before, there's no one correct way to raise a child. Every child is different and the methodology for raising and disciplining them will follow suit. The significant aspect of corporal punishment is when the line is crossed and punishment turns into abuse. That appears to be the case here. How a court of law in Texas will look at this is beyond me. But those pictures are pretty damning. And this is coming from a "victim" of corporal punishment.
 
I think it goes beyond lazy. MOST physical punishment of kids is dealt in anger/frustration as a means to control -- not with loving intent to teach the difference between right and wrong. It sends the wrong message.

Are you referencing a particular psychological study or is this just opinion? Honest question, by the way. If you are referencing a particular study, I would love to read it.
 
Are you referencing a particular psychological study or is this just opinion? Honest question, by the way. If you are referencing a particular study, I would love to read it.
It's a spiritual/psychological school of thought rooted in taking personal responsibility for your own well-being. You can read about it here: http://innerbonding.com/
 
Yeesh. Talk about bad timing:

Dan Shanoff ✔ @danshanoff
Ugh. Kids fire up this week's new episode of "NFL Rush Zone" TV cartoon, and the guest star player is… Adrian Peterson.
 
My parents spent plenty of time reasoning and explaining things to me. They grounded me, restricted things, took things away, and physically disciplined me if the fight or situation called for it. Sometimes I was a rotten bastard and the situation WOULD call for it. The kids I knew who were like me and didn't have to fear any sort of physical discipline became medicated by their parents when things got out of hand at school and at home. Ritalin, Adderall, Xanax, you name it. Those were the kids that became more and more messed up in the head as they were getting older. In the end, I'm not the rotten, little punk I used to be. It's highly debateable if I would have become the man I am today without a hands on approach by my parents as far as punishment and discipline went. If you could go back to my junior year in high school, I don't doubt my teachers and administrators would have told you that they thought I would have went to a juvenile facility and, later, jail at this age. Even though my grades were good in school (which is something of a paradox), I was a rotten punk until I hit the age of 17. The one thing that kept me in line from time to time was the fear of coming home and getting a whooping administered to me.

Now I have two degrees, I'm in a stable relationship, I don't have any substance abuse issues, and I'm saving toward my first house. They did a wonderful job of rounding me into a productive member of society. Like I said before, there's no one correct way to raise a child. Every child is different and the methodology for raising and disciplining them will follow suit. The significant aspect of corporal punishment is when the line is crossed and punishment turns into abuse. That appears to be the case here. How a court of law in Texas will look at this is beyond me. But those pictures are pretty damning. And this is coming from a "victim" of corporal punishment.

Every child is different. You can't talk to or reason with some kids. Here, peterson seems to have crossed the line.

Also, every situation is different. If your kid burns the house down after being told not to play with matches, the discipline should be different.
 
Every child is different. You can't talk to or reason with some kids. Here, peterson seems to have crossed the line.

Also, every situation is different. If your kid burns the house down after being told not to play with matches, the discipline should be different.

There is a lot of ground between talking to a child and hitting him with a stick. I agree that sometimes talking to a child is not effective, but I don't think there is any time where hitting a four year old with a stick is ever appropriate. I am against corporal punishment myself, but I am sure a spanking with an open hand would have achieve the same goal of hitting his son on bare skin with a switch.
 
It's a spiritual/psychological school of thought rooted in taking personal responsibility for your own well-being. You can read about it here: http://innerbonding.com/

Can you link to the particular study you're referencing on parenting? That link takes me only to the main page, unless I'm missing something.
 
There is a lot of ground between talking to a child and hitting him with a stick. I agree that sometimes talking to a child is not effective, but I don't think there is any time where hitting a four year old with a stick is ever appropriate. I am against corporal punishment myself, but I am sure a spanking with an open hand would have achieve the same goal of hitting his son on bare skin with a switch.

No doubt. Also, he had to have hit his son with that switch extremely hard for it to break the skin.
 
Can you link to the particular study you're referencing on parenting? That link takes me only to the main page, unless I'm missing something.
Dr. Margaret Paul wrote a book, "Do I Have To Give Up Me To Be Loved By My Kids?" in which the whole discipline issue is addressed in-depth. You can get it cheap at Amazon.
 
Dr. Margaret Paul wrote a book, "Do I Have To Give Up Me To Be Loved By My Kids?" in which the whole discipline issue is addressed in-depth. You can get it cheap at Amazon.
Thanks. I'll give it a read and see what I get out of it. From everything that I've read on corporal punishment, the studies are nowhere near scientific but are still mixed, with some studies finding beneficial effects of corporal punishment and other studies finding harmful effects of it (such as the child growing into an angrier adult... not sure how they arrived at that conclusion, to be honest). Nevertheless, this isn't a case of corporal punishment. This is a case of abuse. They're not one in the same.
 
Different cultures have different paradigms...

India had over 8,200 dowry-related deaths in 2012, crime records show

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/02/world/asia/indian-burned-alive-dowry/

I witnessed this practice when I traveled to India in the mid 70's.Not saw it on TV, actually saw it happen from 30 or 40 yards away in a crowded square in Calcutta.

The Brits had something right...

General Sir Charles Napier said:
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well! We also have a custom. When men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks, and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre. Beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
 
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Not to change the subject, but at least the Vikes did the right thing and deactivated him (although I might argue they should have cut him).

Down in Carolina, they are "waiting for the legal process to play out" on Greg Hardy even though he has already been convicted. Hardy was convicted by a judge for domestic violence, but in North Carolina he automatically gets an appeal with a jury trial. So it looks like Jerry Richardson (cried about how takes domestic violence seriously this week while he will have a convicted domestic violence offender starting on his team this weekend) is protecting his $13 million franchise tag investment on Hardy by letting him play out that number and let the league suspend him next season when he is someone else's problem (or a free agent without a team).

If Goodell has any chance of keeping his job, he has to stop hiding behind "letting the legal process play out" and indefinitely suspend guys like Peterson, Hardy, and McDonald. Both Peterson and Hardy deserve more than the six game suspension. It is unclear about McDonald since the allegations are murky, but his victim was pregnant so he could be worse than Peterson and Hardy.

I'm not comfortable with the idea of severely punishing a person for being INDICTED.

That said, public facts are public facts. And by the way, every football player is supposed to have a professional skill at distinguishing between allowable and forbidden hitting, a point that also speaks to why Ray Rice deserves a severe NFL punishment for something that the criminal justice system may not see as that big a deal.
 
Physical discipline to me conjures an image of spanking, and so if AP was just disciplining his kid, that would be all it would be, even if with a switch.

But using the switch on the buttocks, backs, ankles, legs, hands, and scrotum, screams child abuse.
as do the pictures of Mr. Peterson's "handiwork" that have now been released.
 
looks like jerry jones isnt going to have to wait for that contract to run out afterall.
 
@Seacoast Fan, naturally you want to let due process and the proceedings run their course. But you can still look at those pictures and begin to form an opinion while, at the same time, knowing there's always a chance those pictures may no be legitimate or tell the whole story.
 


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