Vikings RB Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse; deactivated for Pats game at Minnesota

TheBostonStraggler said:

Without exception Children need discipline. Discipline falls within the larger context of boundaries, and reinforcing negative consequences will happen when going outside clearly established boundaries. It's one of the most important things to teach a child. Yet what constitutes discipline is where things become a little gray. From parent to parent, from culture to culture, discipline will be defined differently. With that said, if discipline means medical attention is required, there isn't much gray area involved there. It's simply wrong.

I fall within the same category that a few other posters spoke of; I was a punk frequently skirting, and beyond, legal boundaries and authority in general. Looking back I clearly see I needed some kicks in the *** to right my ship ((I needed a father to point to the line then, sternly, demonstrate what happens when it is crossed -- that's a different discussion)). So I am not one who believes exclusively in the nurturing communicative way. Yet, again, when an act of discipline means, or even sort of means, medical attention is needed, it is wrong and it shouldn't be allowed. So If AP's actions falls within this description, AP also needs some reinforcing of consequence of action.

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Dead on.

Child abuse is a very, very serious crime, and very serious crimes deserved to be treated seriously.
Seriously means with prudence. The seriousness of how far child abuse can go makes them small, isolated crimes against humanity. Some children are literally tortured by their parents and guardians, and that's why clear distinctions need to be made between mentally ill parents who are completely deranged and need to have their children taken from them while they are given painfully lengthy prison sentences, and parents who need to suffer penalty of the law for taking a disciplinary action to a level of domestic violence against a child.

The state forcefully taking someone's children away is also a very serious matter, and it's not something you want to support on a quick whim.

There's a difference between an otherwise loving parent who goes over board one night and a sick and twisted monster (Yes, 4 years old, very excessive.)

There is a certain level of societal and individual outrage and disgust that AP is probably deserving of here, but the range between one thing and another is pretty significant, and we don't know yet what level of outrage and disgust that should yet be.

Ray Rice should call Adrian and thank him. Next.....

Turned himself in, $15k bond

Joker said:

Different cultures have different paradigms...

India had over 8,200 dowry-related deaths in 2012, crime records show

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/02/world/asia/indian-burned-alive-dowry/

I witnessed this practice when I traveled to India in the mid 70's.Not saw it on TV, actually saw it happen from 30 or 40 yards away in a crowded square in Calcutta. I puked for a long time and then packed my bags, left my host and his family and jetted off to Thailand...where a whole new can of worms opened up on the streets of Bangkok.

In our country we have different religious paradigms by REGION. What I find sickening and revolting as a New Englander is considered righteous and just in the midwest...and both regions find Waren Jeffs and HIS following equally reprehensible. Take care of you and yours and attempt to understand the lives of others is the best anyone can really do. People want an answer. There is no single answer. That is why we have laws so that we are all judged under the law. Let the law take its course, IMO.

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Well said regarding 'attempting to understand' others/that what is different, as well as people wanting answers when there are none. I personally think one of the bigger mistakes (in general) we all make is trying to find answers/to make sense of something by forcing the square peg of uncertainty into the round hole of what we know/have been exposed to. It's the 'attempting to understand' what's foreign to us that, eventually, allows the peg and the hole to be somewhat similar shapes.
Where that kind of thinking stops for me is with, as another poster mentioned, 'moral equivalence'. A warped version of mulitcultaralism that passively (or not so passively) helps to allow disturbing/sickening things to take place without a loud and repeated condemning of it,

Sure, it's an inexact science for 'us' to tell 'them' they're wrong, and we'll almost certainly make mistakes or even come across looking arrogant and ignorant. But when religion or culture says or allows for people to be brutalized and/or killed for such triviality, I don't give a rat's *** if it's done in the name of religion, on the other side of the globe, within a culture I don't know enough about. It's wrong, sickeningly so, and should be loudly/widely stated as such.

http://www.khou.com/story/sports/nf...in-to-montgomery-county-authorities/15573315/

Adrian Peterson has turned himself in.

A few of my thoughts;

Peterson says that whoopings worked for him when he was a child. Looking at his convoluted family lives tells a different story.

I don't think the Incognito reference I saw earlier is applicable here.

If Peterson used a bigger stick (like a bat) would that still be considered just a spanking?

Speaking of spanking, I saw a poll here claiming that 74% of parents believe in it's use. That percentage is about the same as kids growing up in out of wedlock homes in the black "community." Can we now safely say that they need to fix that problem?

This is not meant as an excuse for AP at all, but we're judging this by the standard of a normal home life, and by the sound of it that's not a place where AP resides.

If I ever have to go to court and be defended for a crime, I want one of the posters from this thread to be on my jury.

Mark Cuban is no dummy.

Joker said:

http://hollowverse.com/adrian-peterson/

one of a number of links when you google "Adrian Petersen religious", Tunes...

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Peterson is a Baptist,1 and very devout. Not only will you find that his Twitter feed is rich in God speak, he also says things like:

************ means the world to me… I’ve always prayed to Him and asked Him to give me the strength to endure and to help others and to better understand whatever situation I deal with in my personal life.2"

It's an alien culture to me. I was brought up by nuns...

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Peterson might "claim" to be a devout Christian, but that flies in the face of his fathering multiple children out of wedlock -- including one he didn't know about until someone killed him last year. I'm guessing our friend Christiancat might agree with that.

One Peterson tweet quoted in the provided link struck me as particularly ironic: "Our Country was founded on Christianity! Maybe things wouldn’t be so Crazy if we stuck to those christian Principles!" I don't know how Adrian Peterson defines "principles" let alone Christian ones, but in his case words and actions appear at odds.

Yeah, his literal interpretation of old testament texts legitimizing corporal punishment of children MIGHT explain what he did to the 4-year-old, but I think that's a stretch. I'd guess it has more to do with the way HE was raised, but most likely was the result of sheer ignorance moved by frustration and anger. As I posted earlier, kids that young just don't understand discipline of that nature. Beating a tiny child for any reason simply is incredibly stupid at best (if Peterson truly thought he was teaching him a lesson) and downright cruel regardless of intent. It's indefensible, and the indictment appears justified.

This is Texas folks, where the value system is somewhat different than ours... to indict someone for child abuse is probably beyond discipline, and into the realm of corporal punishment..

This is serious shyt.. not run of the mill discipline.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

The beating allegedly resulted in numerous injuries to the child, including cuts and bruises to the child’s back, buttocks, ankles, legs and scrotum, along with defensive wounds to the child’s hands. Peterson then texted the boy’s mother, saying that one wound in particular would make her “mad at me about his leg. I got kinda good wit the tail end of the switch.”

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This happened in May? We are only just hearing about this now? Quick, is there a video? Goodell must go! There had to be a coverup.

All joking aside, this is horrendous and Goodell needs to exercise his new rule. The only thing is does he stick to it, and give AD the first offence six gamer, or set an example to please the fans? This is a very tough decision for him.

I have no issue with a slap on the arse when a kid steps out of line. I received many and that is up to the parent. A slap on the bare arse was enough to make me not want to talk down to a parent or get in to trouble! That doesn't constitute abuse.

This is something else. It's flat out abuse and is unacceptable. The book should be thrown at him.

zydecochris said:

I wonder why it has never been made into a movie?

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Maybe Will Smith can star in it and wear some new kicks while jammin' out to some tunes on his iPhone?

Fixit said:

Yeah, it's not like superstar athletes have ever dodged indictments in the past.

Given the evidence that we have, would you indict AP?

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Assuming -- which seems likely -- that what we've seen is a reliable representation of the overall set of evidence, yes.

PATS16N0 said:

There are cultures around the planet that are broadly producing 10 year olds more capable than many modern American men in their 20s. I venture to guess our society has a wide spread parenting problem.

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More capable to do what?

Be soldiers (without much regard for the laws of war)? No doubt.

Run a business? Raise a family? I have a lot more doubt about that.

There has always been the old, complaining of the indiscipline of the young...

Truth : there have been bad parents since the beginning of time, in all parts of the world, from all cultures. Some people are just not very competent. It's just we have the internet now - so we can find out about so so much more.

Regardless of your stance on discipline, I think many (most) would agree that (1) too many parents fear discipline or are unable to enforce it (2) any kind of punishment that leads to real harm is way way out of line. Children are special and defenseless. It makes me sad that some of them have a "hard go" in life...

Right. So either more evidence came out between then and now, or PATS16N0 was on that first grand jury.

Well bringing it before 2 grand juries sticks to high heaven. A Prosecutor can't get an indictment in a Grand Jury, where most prosecutors could get the Pope indiicted for being Jewish? Reconstitute the Grand Jury and try again.

Tunescribe said:

Peterson is known to be a very religious person? I didn't know that. What I have read is that he has fathered from five to seven children out of wedlock with different women and details are sketchy whether he's actually married to the mother of the 4-year-old. (Also, he reportedly did not know the toddler who died last year was his son until shortly before the kid was found dead.)

http://nypost.com/2013/10/17/adrian-peterson-could-have-7-kids-ex/

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+1. THIS is what I am thinking while reading all the posts decrying how his 'family might get broken up over this'. "Daddy Peterson", as the 4 year old child calls him in the allegations, is as close to being a 'parent' as he is being a nucleur scientist.

Christiancat said:

I don't doubt that you were, as you call yourself a "punk" back then who needed discipline.
I figured that you needed discipline, but my heart aches for any child who is disciplined through physical means no matter how some may feel that they deserved it or not. As you know that was the past and you are a mature person now. However, remember some kids who are physically disciplined like that even if not often sometimes go on in life carrying those emotional scars. That doesn't seem to be the case with you which is great.


I agree with you in the sense that there's no ONE way to discipline a child. There's a variety of different ways a parent can discipline their child. However, I disagree with you in that using physical means of discipline with a child is an okay way to discipline because a parent might feel justified in doing. Overall, I feel that ANY child who does something wrong should be disciplined just not through physical means.


Nonetheless, I think it is great that you are close with your parents and I am happy to hear that. Right or wrong forgiveness is what God teaches us all. You forgave your parents and they forgave you. Anyways God Bless!

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You're not talking about physical discipline. You're talking about abuse. They aren't the same thing. There's a very clear line in the sand to cross between physical discipline and abuse and Peterson not only crossed that line, he blew past it in a monster truck with his middle finger out the window and firing an AK-47 through the sun roof. No discipline should ever break the skin. His kid's did. It was excessive.

And there's no need for me to forgive my parents. They did a masterful job with me.

Tunescribe said:

Peterson might "claim" to be a devout Christian, but that flies in the face of his fathering multiple children out of wedlock -- including one he didn't know about until someone killed him last year. I'm guessing our friend Christiancat might agree with that.

One Peterson tweet quoted in the provided link struck me as particularly ironic: "Our Country was founded on Christianity! Maybe things wouldn’t be so Crazy if we stuck to those christian Principles!" I don't know how Adrian Peterson defines "principles" let alone Christian ones, but in his case words and actions appear at odds.

Yeah, his literal interpretation of old testament texts legitimizing corporal punishment of children MIGHT explain what he did to the 4-year-old, but I think that's a stretch. I'd guess it has more to do with the way HE was raised, but most likely was the result of sheer ignorance moved by frustration and anger. As I posted earlier, kids that young just don't understand discipline of that nature. Beating a tiny child for any reason simply is incredibly stupid at best (if Peterson truly thought he was teaching him a lesson) and downright cruel regardless of intent. It's indefensible, and the indictment appears justified.

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crew1954 said:

Well bringing it before 2 grand juries sticks to high heaven. A Prosecutor can't get an indictment in a Grand Jury, where most prosecutors could get the Pope indiicted for being Jewish? Reconstitute the Grand Jury and try again.

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After having seen the photos of the wounds on the 4 year old child and Adrian Peterson's OWN texts you're complaining about a MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE because the authorities took it to a second grand jury?

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