Vikings RB Adrian Peterson indicted for child abuse; deactivated for Pats game at Minnesota

KontradictioN said:

Yeah. That's a little excessive. I mean I got it with the belt and spoon when I was a kid, but nothing as bad as that. Those hits broke the skin while mine usually just left a bad sting or a minor welt at the worst.

EDIT: All that said, growing up in the south, I know a few kids that got hit with switches before by their parents. It's a popular type of discipline down here. But I didn't know any kids that got it that excessively.

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This is what I was touching on when I mentioned cultural differences. America is not one big monolithic place, even though we all have the same flag in our front yards or schools or whatever. Oregon is not Kentucky, Massachusetts is not North Carolina, and Tennessee is not California. In all of these places people raise their children completely differently. Some smack their kids when they get out of line and emphasize a lot of things without a lot of tolerance for disobedience. Others put a heavy emphasis on God. Others don't put any emphasis on anything.

Within reason, it isn't for someone in Oregon to think they have the right to lord over and monitor the `family culture` of someone in Alabama, and vice versa. It's a big place and people are very different.

I'd venture to guess that 95% of the world population uses some form of physical discipline as a part of their children raising. The reason I am content to wait for the full story to emerge is because there are people in this country who think they should all have their kids taken away.

All 6 and a half billion of them.

When it comes to someone else's family, it's probably worth it to take the time to get all of the information to make an informed judgement rather than intrude on someone else's living room, with little information, and destroy their entire family with an emotion-driven conviction an hour after the story hits the newsstand.

Peterson is a real POS hope he never plays another down.

Christiancat said:

Wow sorry to hear that Kontra. Hopefully you are doing better now. I feel that NO parent should hit their child in any way shape or form as discipline. There are other ways that a parent could and should exert control without getting physical. A parent should talk with their kids, explain to them what they did wrong, ground them, take away their toys etc.

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LMAO. Thank you, but I turned out fine. I was a punk and I needed that type of discipline from time to time. I'm actually extremely close to my parents, however hard that is for you to imagine.

When I was 15, I got into a fight with my mom. Bad one. I called her a "*****" for the first time. She flipped out and I went to my room and locked the door. Of course, she told my dad about it, who promptly came upstairs to have a word with me. I kept the door locked and told him to "go **** himself" (again, for the first time). I was in high school playing football and I thought I was the man.

Well, the door began to move back and forth and came off the hinges. He grabbed a hold of me and tossed me around for a good 10 seconds. Never hit me, just overpowered me and tossed me hard enough to feel it. After that, I knew who the alpha was in household, and it wasn't me.

Since then, I've never been closer with my old man. My mom either. I credit occasional discipline like that for rounding me into form and into a man. There is no one way to discipline a child. Like dogs, they are all different. Some will do anything to make you happy. Others will challenge you at every turn. I was the latter.

Joker said:

spare the rod spoil the child...it's a fundamental biblical axiom...here's a breakdown from a perspective of a few dozen biblical sources.
"Verse 24. - He that spareth his rod hateth his son. Correction of children is a great point with our author (see Proverbs 19:18; Proverbs 22:15; Proverbs 23:13, etc.; Proverbs 29:15, 17). So Ecclus. 30:1, "He that loveth his son causeth him oft to feel the rod, that he may have joy of him in the end." Dukes, "Gold must be beaten, and a boy needs blows"

http://biblehub.com/proverbs/13-24.htm

I have no idea how anyone can say, one way or the other, that Peterson's INTENT was criminal. He is known as a very religious person in the way of the southern Baptist teaching and strict interpretation of the Bible. The photos are reprehensible in a vacuum. This is a can of worms no one needed to open TODAY...but now it's out there.

The NFL has a really tough decision to make here. I wouldn't want that responsibility.It's a felony, Peterson has no previous record...Solomon needs to be resurrected to hear this one iMO.

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Peterson is known to be a very religious person? I didn't know that. What I have read is that he has fathered from five to seven children out of wedlock with different women and details are sketchy whether he's actually married to the mother of the 4-year-old. (Also, he reportedly did not know the toddler who died last year was his son until shortly before the kid was found dead.)

http://nypost.com/2013/10/17/adrian-peterson-could-have-7-kids-ex/

PATS16N0 said:

Within reason, it isn't for someone in Oregon to think they have the right to lord over and monitor the `family culture` of someone in Alabama, and vice versa. It's a big place and people are very different.

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Ah ok, so what constitutes child abuse is relative to where you are born and raised. Logically we can say the same about assault and rape too.

Slicing off a little girl's clitoris is fine too because we just all need to be respectful of cultural differences.

There are no moral absolutes!

What an awful week to be an NFL Running Back who enjoys battering people weaker than you.

http://hollowverse.com/adrian-peterson/

one of a number of links when you google "Adrian Petersen religious", Tunes...

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Peterson is a Baptist,1 and very devout. Not only will you find that his Twitter feed is rich in God speak, he also says things like:

************ means the world to me… I’ve always prayed to Him and asked Him to give me the strength to endure and to help others and to better understand whatever situation I deal with in my personal life.2"http://hollowverse.com/adrian-peterson/#footnote_1_15911

It's an alien culture to me. I was brought up by nuns...

fnordcircle said:

Ah ok, so what constitutes child abuse is relative to where you are born and raised. Logically we can say the same about assault and rape too.

Slicing off a little girl's clitoris is fine too because we just all need to be respectful of cultural differences.

There are no moral absolutes!

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so I take it you are no fan of Warren Jeffs and the LDS, eh?...me either

TommyBrady12 said:

I'm not a parent, but 74% of the nation in a recent poll would disagree. It's not as cut and dry as you and Shmessy think.

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There's a famous Isaac Asimov quote: "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Many would disagree. But almost all decent people would agree with the modified form "Violence is the last refuge of the otherwise unsuccessful." The scope for disagreement falls in the range between those two formulations.

pazrul72 said:

Never said it hurt me more then him. I am sure it stung that's the point. Sometimes there are not any effective enough other options. Glad you've been blessed with perfect little angels that never misbehave. Some of us have real kids that we want to grow up into respectful adults that understand there are consequences to rule breaking.

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I'm not sure that "respectful", while up to a point clearly desirable, really makes a list of Top 5 or Top 10 important attributes of a child.

But if a parent thinks it does, then I imagine they're more likely to favor corporal punishment.

Fixit said:

Let's see. Photos, texts, an accusation from his son, corroboration from the doctor, an arrest warrant, an admission from Peterson that he "whupped" his son, and his lawyer all but confirming the charges but utilizing the "he didn't mean to injure him, it's a family thing" is a rush to judgment. Got it.

I know you think you're taking some high-minded approach, but you just look like you're being a contrarian for funsies.

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The first grand jury didn't indict him; it took a second one to accomplish that. So it seems that to some extent people disagree about this case,.

KontradictioN said:

LMAO. Thank you, but I turned out fine. I was a punk and I needed that type of discipline from time to time. I'm actually extremely close to my parents, however hard that is for you to imagine.

When I was 15, I got into a fight with my mom. Bad one. I called her a "*****" for the first time. She flipped out and I went to my room and locked the door. Of course, she told my dad about it, who promptly came upstairs to have a word with me. I kept the door locked and told him to "go **** himself" (again, for the first time). I was in high school playing football and I thought I was the man.

Well, the door began to move back and forth and came off the hinges. He grabbed a hold of me and tossed me around for a good 10 seconds. Never hit me, just overpowered me and tossed me hard enough to feel it. After that, I knew who the alpha was in household, and it wasn't me.

Since then, I've never been closer with my old man. My mom either. I credit occasional discipline like that for rounding me into form and into a man. There is no one way to discipline a child. Like dogs, they are all different. Some will do anything to make you happy. Others will challenge you at every turn. I was the latter.

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I don't doubt that you were, as you call yourself a "punk" back then who needed discipline.
I figured that you needed discipline, but my heart aches for any child who is disciplined through physical means no matter how some may feel that they deserved it or not. As you know that was the past and you are a mature person now. However, remember some kids who are physically disciplined like that even if not often sometimes go on in life carrying those emotional scars. That doesn't seem to be the case with you which is great.


I agree with you in the sense that there's no ONE way to discipline a child. There's a variety of different ways a parent can discipline their child. However, I disagree with you in that using physical means of discipline with a child is an okay way to discipline because a parent might feel justified in doing. Overall, I feel that ANY child who does something wrong should be disciplined just not through physical means.


Nonetheless, I think it is great that you are close with your parents and I am happy to hear that. Right or wrong forgiveness is what God teaches us all. You forgave your parents and they forgave you. Anyways God Bless!

JMC00 said:

Well I've always been of the opinion that if a player is accused of a serious crime he should be out indefinitely until the legal proceedings are over.

If you are dumb enough to put yourself in a situation where you are charged with a serious crime then you deserve to sit out until the legal proceedings are over. If you get acquitted you get to come back.

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I hope by "accused" you mean indicted or something like that.

PATS16N0 said:

Please tell me what I should be doing right now other than waiting to see the facts unfold.

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Before you comment on the basis of already-known facts, it would be nice if you first checked out what the already-known facts are.

fnordcircle said:

Ah ok, so what constitutes child abuse is relative to where you are born and raised. Logically we can say the same about assault and rape too.

Slicing off a little girl's clitoris is fine too because we just all need to be respectful of cultural differences.

There are no moral absolutes!

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So..... what? Every parent that smacks their kid or hits them with something should be locked up and their kids taken away? Where do you intend to house all of these hundreds of millions of children?

I have my personal limits with where I would go with physically disciplining a child, but parents have been physically disciplining their children since the beginning of man, and do so all around the world, in every single country on this planet, so I'm not sure your new-age liberal way is necessarily the sole authority on how to raise children.

While I'm unequivocally against "beating" kids, I will say that some parents I know who don't smack their kids at all, or even threaten it, and "negotiate" with their six year olds, and constantly compromise, or even beg, often end up producing extremely soft boys, and it's not a soft world. My aunt raised her first born like that, and if our little American bubble suddenly pops one day, he's toast.

America has had a relatively short window of history where it's been safe and okay to be soft, but that's just a window, relatively unique to the over all human condition. The real world rolls over the soft, tramples them, eats them up, and spits them out.

I'm not saying the way to raise a disciplined young man is to beat the crap of out them, and I'm not making any judgements about anyone in this thread, and certainly not making any judgements about their children, but in my experience, many of the people who give others soap box speeches on how spanking a child is archaic and evil also have the most worthless degenerate children imaginable.

Ever seen a 13 year old boy, nearly a man by many cultural standards, have an epic meltdown in a toy store because mommy didn't buy them something? One so bad and mind blowing that the entire store was watching?

I have. He was the 13 year old son of parents too sophisticated and modern to ever give him a smack in the face.

I've had a lot of Japanese friends (well, 3 families). Those kids knew better than to talk back to their parents. Believe it.

Want to see who is doing better lately? American children or Japanese?

At a certain point the proof is in the pudding.

PATS16N0 said:

Want to see who is doing better lately? American children or Japanese?

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Well, the US as a country seems to be doing better than Japan.

Fencer said:

The first grand jury didn't indict him; it took a second one to accomplish that. So it seems that to some extent people disagree about this case,.

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Yeah, it's not like superstar athletes have ever dodged indictments in the past.

Given the evidence that we have, would you indict AP?

Fencer said:

Well, the US as a country seems to be doing better than Japan.

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There are cultures around the planet that are broadly producing 10 year olds more capable than many modern American men in their 20s. I venture to guess our society has a wide spread parenting problem.

Different cultures have different paradigms...

India had over 8,200 dowry-related deaths in 2012, crime records show

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/02/world/asia/indian-burned-alive-dowry/

I witnessed this practice when I traveled to India in the mid 70's.Not saw it on TV, actually saw it happen from 30 or 40 yards away in a crowded square in Calcutta. I puked for a long time and then packed my bags, left my host and his family and jetted off to Thailand...where a whole new can of worms opened up on the streets of Bangkok.

In our country we have different religious paradigms by REGION. What I find sickening and revolting as a New Englander is considered righteous and just in the midwest...and both regions find Waren Jeffs and HIS following equally reprehensible. Take care of you and yours and attempt to understand the lives of others is the best anyone can really do. People want an answer. There is no single answer. That is why we have laws so that we are all judged under the law. Let the law take its course, IMO.

Without exception Children need discipline. Discipline falls within the larger context of boundaries, and reinforcing negative consequences will happen when going outside clearly established boundaries. It's one of the most important things to teach a child. Yet what constitutes discipline is where things become a little gray. From parent to parent, from culture to culture, discipline will be defined differently. With that said, if discipline means medical attention is required, there isn't much gray area involved there. It's simply wrong.

I fall within the same category that a few other posters spoke of; I was a punk frequently skirting, and beyond, legal boundaries and authority in general. Looking back I clearly see I needed some kicks in the *** to right my ship ((I needed a father to point to the line then, sternly, demonstrate what happens when it is crossed -- that's a different discussion)). So I am not one who believes exclusively in the nurturing communicative way. Yet, again, when an act of discipline means, or even sort of means, medical attention is needed, it is wrong and it shouldn't be allowed. So If AP's actions falls within this description, AP also needs some reinforcing of consequence of action.