It cannot get much worse, so why not?

that took me a minute to search. YOU are trying to move the goal posts again as you always do when you're caught in a web of lies.

Joker said:

that took me a minute to search. YOU are trying to move the goal posts again as you always do when you're caught in a web of lies.

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Joker I said I put Halapio on the roster, I never said I didn't I did it based on Reiss calling him a sure fire lock and the fact we had cut 1 draft pick in the last 2 drafts. I did not lie about ****, I just think you are a troll who is desperate for attention but you cannot be a real man and reply to a PM because you do not have an audience to show off for. That is pathetic and I think it is funny to point out.

On that note go away now, if you want to talk to me respond to a PM otherwise I do not talk to attention whores who only do things for public consumption, I don't care if you try to be the Kim Kardashian of this board.

you really do get all hissy fit and enraged when someone calls you on your lies. I'll just give MG your posts from July and August that PROVE he is telling the truth and you ,as usual , are lying . See ya' around Sybil6.

Joker said:

you really do get all hissy fit and enraged when someone calls you on your lies. I'll just give MG your posts from July and August that PROVE he is telling the truth and you ,as usual , are lying . See ya' around Sybil6.

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No I just do not like you Joker. I think you run your mouth on the internet like a punk and I have no respect for that or desire to talk to someone who does.

We can pull every post if you want and it will align perfectly with what I said so do not make false accusations.

I'm not accusing you of anything, Sybil6...I am merely providing the posts YOU made that YOU said YOU didn't make. MG can do what he wants with the information. YOU are too crazy to understand simple facts.

Joker said:

I'm not accusing you of anything, Sybil6...I am merely providing the posts YOU made that YOU said YOU didn't make. MG can do what he wants with the information. YOU are too crazy to understand simple facts.

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I like the Sybil6 name I might ask Ian to change my name.

Brady6 said:

Please show me these posts, because I do not recall ever saying anything of that nature. I said in the draft thread on the day he was drafted that he would not even make the roster, Reiss had him as a sure fire lock so I shift my opinion to incorporate that based on what I thought was creditable information. I never said anything about him being better than anyone is.

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http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...?q=Hilapio&o=date&c[node]=10&c[user][0]=32717

Look, it's not a big deal. As I said, many of us thought that Hilapio would make the team, and was a good longshot prospect for 2015. Most of us did not have him on our rosters by mid-August, some still did.

Brady6 said:

Man you must have some free time. Should I expect that you will also be manning up and responding to one of the PMs tonight also? I'm just wondering because if you can do this for public consumption when it had nothing to do with you I have to assume you aren't just desperate for attention and are you going to respond in private as well.

I'm not sure why you ever interact with me in a thread because every time I will announce that you are just seeking attention and do not have the fortitude to even respond to a PM. So keep quoting me or inserting yourself into my discussions, I like outing you it makes me laugh, that must be why they call you Joker.

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It takes less than a minute to use the search function, as you well know. Of all people, you are a strange one to suggest that others have better things to do than respond to posts.

Brady6 said:

Every board I saw had him a PFA with a high of seventh round.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664562/jon-halapio

The same thing was true for Stork.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664465/bryan-stork

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As I said., I chose walterfootball to check.

Brady6 said:

I am not a big fan of Stork personally, I could be wrong about him, hell I hope I am but I think he lacks the athleticism to do what we expect are center to do.

Wendell is a problem, Connolly would be the best at center right now in my opinion, but honestly I am all for taking the approach they took with Jones, Hightower, and Dennard in 2012 and just letting Fleming and Stork play through it and hope they are solid by the playoffs.

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Yes, Jones and Hightower were drafted to start, and they played lots during their rookie years, as one expects from 1st and 2nd round defensive linemen. Dennard was a great find. He played because he played well. If he had stopped playing well (in the eye's of the coach), he would have been benched.

The situation is NOT the same with Stork, Fleming and Hilapio (already gone). PERHAPS, Stork was drafted with the hope that he was to start this year, perhaps not. In any case, his injury set back his timetable. IMHO, Fleming was always considered a prospect for 2015 or beyond. In essence, he was Cannon insurance, and also insurance against future injuries to Vollmer and/or Solder.

I think that Fleming was a fine pick, and a solid talent. It does not follow that he should start now.

Stork could be ready to call the signals and lead the line; I rather doubt it. We have a good center in Connolly; I see no reason to switch unless Stork is really ready. It seems that Stork is as likely to have a bad start as Devey.

mgteich said:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...?q=Hilapio&o=date&c[node]=10&c[user][0]=32717

Look, it's not a big deal. As I said, many of us thought that Hilapio would make the team, and was a good longshot prospect for 2015. Most of us did not have him on our rosters by mid-August, some still did.

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If you read the posts, I said to you that I included Halapio on the roster based on Reiss calling him a sure fire lock and the lack of draft picks cut over the past 2 seasons. That is very different from me saying he was a good player, I thought he was showing promise in OTAs and I said some optimistic things about him but if you go back to the draft, I was very clear in my opinion of Halapio and Stork. Have a look:

2014 NFL Draft, Day 3: Rounds 4 - 7 thread
I am with you brother. Bryan Stork and Jon Halapio were both graded as late seventh – UDFA. There were better options on the board
Post by: Brady6, May 10, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

2014 NFL Draft, Day 3: Rounds 4 - 7 thread
I have plenty to back it up, how about the fact that he was rated as the #292 prospect in the draft, and graded out as a seventh round – UDFA...
Post by: Brady6, May 10, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

2014 NFL Draft, Day 3: Rounds 4 - 7 thread
Look at Halapio workout numbers and his college tape, then look at his injury history it was not a good pick. If you think it was that is your...
Post by: Brady6, May 10, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

2014 NFL Draft, Day 3: Rounds 4 - 7 thread
I did not like the Halapio pick, I did not start watching the draft expecting to like every pick we made so it really is not any skin off my back, I am just giving my opinion that Halapio was the worst pick we have made so far.
Post by: Brady6, May 10, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

Pats backroom let down Brady AGAIN
I do not have a major problem with the strategy to improve the offensive line; my reservations are with the players selected and when.
• Bryan Stork – we should have drafted Marcus Martin or Travis Swanson instead, Stork had a very poor pro day, and #105 was very early for him in my opinion.
• Jon Halapio – easily the worst pick we made yesterday, I will actually be surprised if he makes the roster, he is slow footed, has poor technique, and major durability concerns.
• Fleming – I like this pick, I thought it was a good value and a player that has upside and can help in multiple positions.
This was not a very good draft in my opinion, I am a homer and I am going to focus on the good which is Easley, Fleming, and Moore but I do think this draft was a disappointment, and if you disagree that is fine but we will all have to wait to find out whose position is most accurate.
Post by: Brady6, May 11, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

Pats backroom let down Brady AGAIN
I really actually only hate 2 picks – Halapio and Stork, I am not all about White, Gallon, or JG, I think Thomas, Fleming, and Moore were good...
Post by: Brady6, May 11, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

Pats backroom let down Brady AGAIN
It is not even that I think Stork and Halapio are bad players I just don't see them fitting our OL scheme and therefore I view them as bad picks for...
Post by: Brady6, May 11, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

There are many more posts just like these that I am not going to clog the thread and post but feel free to look for yourself.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/search/156167/?page=7&q=jon+halapio&o=date&c[user][0]=32717

mgteich said:

As I said., I chose walterfootball to check.

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I would recommend a different site.

mgteich said:

It takes less than a minute to use the search function, as you well know. Of all people, you are a strange one to suggest that others have better things to do than respond to posts.

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80% of my posts are responding to posters who quoted my posts, I actually never go around inserting myself into others debates and I do not troll posters for sport. If my posts were not so often quoted I would not post as often, however it strikes me as rude not to respond to someone who quoted my posts. Feel free to review my posts for accuracy; I seldom quote a poster first, only if they start a thread I may offer my opinion on the topic.

Joker has a crusade where he wants to come along and try and start conflict with me every chance he can get, it is immature and very petty, he makes assertions on my mental health as if he knows me. Realistically he is calling a made up user name on a message board crazy, which sounds crazy in its own right. This comes on the heels of me trying to be the bigger man and reaching out to Joker in PM to try and squash are differences for the good of the board, he could not even drum up the courtesy of a response. Yet when he has a chance to show off for others in the public eye he will take the time to search my posts when he was not even involved in the discussion. That is why I take issue with Joker doing it. All he cares about is attention and showing off and he has spent the past decade trolling this board and violating every rule on the site along with disrespecting Ian and the moderators in the process. If he cared about the board he would have responded to the PM like a man and tried to hash things out, he could not be bothered, so I am not going to show him respect. I am not crazy, not at all; I just have a real short tolerance for grown men who show off for other people by putting down other people. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, or discussions becoming heated from time to time, that is the nature of this type of hobby, but if you are going to consistently be an ******* despite my numerous attempts to offer an olive branch you are worthless to me, and that is the case here. I am done trying, the guy has an agenda and that is to cause conflict on the board and disparage others to feel good about himself, as much as I feel bad that he in a place where that is the only way he can find pleasure, I am not going to reward the behavior or view it as acceptable.

mgteich said:

OK, at your suggestion, I have reconsidered the picture. Three weeks ago, many thought that we had the best roster since 2007. We have played one game, and played poorly for one half of that game. So, the evidence is in; we sucked for an entire half. Next week is another game.

I see no reason for projecting stats from one game, as if all the games will be like Game 1 for us or for any team.

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Rationality! Isn't it wonderful when a smidgeon of it rears its head?

Meanwhile the usual idiots are losing their heads. The World is ending. We're all Doomed! Doomed I'm tellin' Ya.

Win a game and the idiots and frustrated Draftniks, self-styled would be GM geniuses, BB haters, and Kraft Critics, will once again retreat to under their rocks.

KontradictioN said:

I think Fleming is still a bit too raw to play guard in a starting fashion right now. I'd like to see Solder-Cannon-Stork-Connolly-Vollmer. That puts the best comination of size, core strength, athleticism, and experience on the field. An interior OL of Cannon, Stork, and Connolly should be able to seal off the A and B gaps to give Brady a clean pocket.

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All this time I thought people were talking about defense when they said we played a two-gap system...

AzPatsFan said:

Rationality! Isn't it wonderful when a smidgeon of it rears its head?

Meanwhile the usual idiots are losing their heads. The World is ending. We're all Doomed! Doomed I'm tellin' Ya.

Win a game and the idiots and frustrated Draftniks, self-styled would be GM geniuses, BB haters, and Kraft Critics, will once again retreat to under their rocks.

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You sound ridiculous with the assertion that anyone that expresses a concern or a reservation about something on the Patriots is Belichick hater, or Kraft critic. That is a conspiracy theory and a poor one at that. If the Patriots had no flaws, as you like to suggest they would have won 13 Super Bowls in the last 13 years if not for injuries, so do you really believe that injuries are the reason Brady does not have 13 rings? Belichick makes mistakes, and acknowledging them does not make you a bad fan, actually caring so little about something that you do not even care about the things that are detrimental to it and choose to ignore them is far more problematic for something than acknowledging something and moving forward.

Who doesn't like Joker? He's like Seinfeld. How can anyone not like him? He's a wonderful, wonderful boy. Everybody likes Joker. It's impossible not to like him. Impossible.

Brady6 said:

If you read the posts, I said to you that I included Halapio on the roster based on Reiss calling him a sure fire lock and the lack of draft picks cut over the past 2 seasons. That is very different from me saying he was a good player, I thought he was showing promise in OTAs and I said some optimistic things about him but if you go back to the draft, I was very clear in my opinion of Halapio and Stork. Have a look:

2014 NFL Draft, Day 3: Rounds 4 - 7 thread
I am with you brother. Bryan Stork and Jon Halapio were both graded as late seventh – UDFA. There were better options on the board
Post by: Brady6, May 10, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

2014 NFL Draft, Day 3: Rounds 4 - 7 thread
I have plenty to back it up, how about the fact that he was rated as the #292 prospect in the draft, and graded out as a seventh round – UDFA...
Post by: Brady6, May 10, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

2014 NFL Draft, Day 3: Rounds 4 - 7 thread
Look at Halapio workout numbers and his college tape, then look at his injury history it was not a good pick. If you think it was that is your...
Post by: Brady6, May 10, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

2014 NFL Draft, Day 3: Rounds 4 - 7 thread
I did not like the Halapio pick, I did not start watching the draft expecting to like every pick we made so it really is not any skin off my back, I am just giving my opinion that Halapio was the worst pick we have made so far.
Post by: Brady6, May 10, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

Pats backroom let down Brady AGAIN
I do not have a major problem with the strategy to improve the offensive line; my reservations are with the players selected and when.
• Bryan Stork – we should have drafted Marcus Martin or Travis Swanson instead, Stork had a very poor pro day, and #105 was very early for him in my opinion.
• Jon Halapio – easily the worst pick we made yesterday, I will actually be surprised if he makes the roster, he is slow footed, has poor technique, and major durability concerns.
• Fleming – I like this pick, I thought it was a good value and a player that has upside and can help in multiple positions.
This was not a very good draft in my opinion, I am a homer and I am going to focus on the good which is Easley, Fleming, and Moore but I do think this draft was a disappointment, and if you disagree that is fine but we will all have to wait to find out whose position is most accurate.
Post by: Brady6, May 11, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

Pats backroom let down Brady AGAIN
I really actually only hate 2 picks – Halapio and Stork, I am not all about White, Gallon, or JG, I think Thomas, Fleming, and Moore were good...
Post by: Brady6, May 11, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

Pats backroom let down Brady AGAIN
It is not even that I think Stork and Halapio are bad players I just don't see them fitting our OL scheme and therefore I view them as bad picks for...
Post by: Brady6, May 11, 2014 in forum: PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum

There are many more posts just like these that I am not going to clog the thread and post but feel free to look for yourself.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/search/156167/?page=7&q=jon+halapio&o=date&c[user][0]=32717

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See below for your August 18th post regarding the offensive linemen you preferred and your analysis of the rookies. You said,

You think that Devey and Kline are better prospects than Stork, Fleming, and Halapio? I can tell you Stork, Fleming, and Halapio are all further along at this juncture in their career than Kline or Devey were last year when they were 3 months into their NFL careers. You confuse a player having 18 months of experience and coaching with the player being a better prospect. Where were Kline and Devey last year at this time.

This is the roster I am keeping personally:

LT- Solder
LG- Mankins, Kline
OC- Connolly, Stork
RG- Cannon, Halapio
RT- Vollmer, Fleming

I do not think Wendell would even get signed if he was cut so he could be on the shadow roster. The NFL is a young mans game, you consistently advocate for veterans which is fine to each their own but of the veterans in recent years how many have panned out? Andre Carter, maybe Tommy Kelly. Now how many have failed.

PATS16N0 said:

Who doesn't like Joker? He's like Seinfeld. How can anyone not like him? He's a wonderful, wonderful boy. Everybody likes Joker. It's impossible not to like him. Impossible.

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Now I don't always agree with Joker on every issue. However, I have come learn that Joker means well and is a joy to have on the board. I think he's a sweetheart overall.

At the end of the thread we are all patriots fans and we want the same thing in the NFL, the patriots to win a championship. We just disagree on players, coaching,strategy on how to accomplish it. I know Fleming is just a rookie. However he has prototype talent and size of elite guards in the NFL. Connolly is a serviceable center and below average guard. I have no idea why anybody would want Connolly starting at guard before Fleming. No pun intended but it just makes no sense in my humble opinion. Many rookie oline players played just fine as a rookie especially after several games to get acclimated while coached up. Just ask Wilfork who was neutralized by Osemele in the AFCCG. Fleming has very similar size and talent of Osemele. He is also smarter. If Fleming starts and he works hard on learning the scheme and his technique he will be a far superior player to Connolly Devey or Kline by playoff time. You know that serviceable is the best you can hope for with the others. They are below average talents at best. Fleming has potential to play near or at pro bowl level by playoff time. Cannon, Connolly/Stork, and Fleming can be a huge upgrade from last years OLine and has a shot at being one of better triads in the NFL by playoff time. Why would you leave a talent life,e Fleming on the bench to groom for a tackle where he could struggle while total garbage is Protecting your GOAT QB trying to win a Superbowl. Due to work Im in Baltimore most of the time, I just love talking football with patriot fans here. even when we disagree on how to win. But seriously guys just agree with me and stop suggesting Connolly or Devey starting at guard over Fleming lol