Ray Rice---The Whole Video [Update: Ravens release Rice]

rochrist · Sep 11, 2014

John Stewart has given the NFL the Daily Show treatment:

The League of Exculpatory Gentlemen
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jon-stewart-nfl-done-fcked-up

mayoclinic · Sep 11, 2014

rochrist said:
John Stewart has given the NFL the Daily Show treatment:

The League of Exculpatory Gentlemen
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jon-stewart-nfl-done-fcked-up

"For God's sakes, you get 24 angles in high-res slow-motion just to see whether or not a man's knee goes over an imaginary line before his hand crosses a different imaginary line ... so NFL, perhaps next time you attempt to bury the damaging information about your league's conduct, I guess we'll know to throw the red challenge flag," he added.

UK_Pat37 · Sep 11, 2014

rochrist said:
Mr. Goodell? Is that you?

You caught me

I just want to add; what does this tape even change? It doesn't change a thing. We all knew Goodell bodged up the punishment initially then agreed to amend the rule...he couldn't amend the punishment after changing the rule as it was done so after the incident and guilty verdict had been passed on him.

Why all of a sudden, when this tape comes out, is it bringing the judge, jurors and executioners out?

The public did not need to see this tape and seeing a video of the incident doesn't make the crime any worse. Whether he ahd knocked her out with one punch or kicked the crap out of with many, the punishment should always be the same for domestic violence.

BradyFTW! · Sep 11, 2014

obgod3 said:
An unnamed source said .....come on folks

When the source is named and tells the American people then I'll believe it, maybe.

By the way according to law the nfl really didn't have rights to any of the videos.

It is such a joke, why isn't the DA taking heat? This isn't about the NFL, it is about the law enforcement community protecting a star...geeez

I'm so tierd of the masses being so stupid to follow the information of people that can't provide a source...please ugh

Unnamed sources are exactly as credible as the journalist reporting them. If some crappy clickbait online journalist is citing them, then I'll agree. In this case, it's an extremely credible source reporting based on its understandably unnamed source, and also stating that it has confirmed its source's account using hard evidence.

Zeus · Sep 11, 2014

JMC00 said:
I believe his exact words were:

"Ignorance is not an excuse"

Clonamery said:
Except for Jet fans.

Ignorance is not an excuse jet fans, it's a way of life.

SB39 · Sep 11, 2014

rochrist said:
John Stewart has given the NFL the Daily Show treatment:

The League of Exculpatory Gentlemen
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jon-stewart-nfl-done-fcked-up

Conan had a great line last night:

"Tonight President Obama will make a prime-time speech about how we're going to deal with violent extremists and their sickening behavior. And when he's done talking about the NFL, he'll talk about ISIS."

Delicate Genius · Sep 11, 2014

Within a twenty minute period this morning on ESPN, Bill Polian gave two different answers to the same question.

http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagrees-with-bill-polians-insider-opinion-1633593081

First answer:

It is very puzzling to me. As a matter of fact, I worked as a vice president in the NFL office in 1993, with respect to football operations. I know how the office works, I've physically been there—it was a different building, not the one they're in now—but it's very difficult for me to understand how that could happen. Especially when you're in a situation that is as high-profile as that particular incident is. It's puzzling, and I have as many questions as everyone else. It's outside my area of expertise. For all the years that I was in the NFL, NFL security, and the NFL's ability to protect its integrity, the so-called "protection of the shield," was unmatched in American business. Forget about sports—in American business. I mean, you did not step out of line in the NFL, and if you did, there was an unwritten rule that when you were called into the office—and met with someone who was the commissioner or there at the behest of the commissioner—that you better come clean, that you better tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. And if you work in the office, you better be on top of the details. The office was there to make sure that the clubs, the players, the reputation of the NFL reamined unsullied. That goes back to the 1960's with the administration of Pete Rozelle. So this is totally, totally out of character for what I know of the NFL office.

There was a technical issue or something, so Polian was brought back on to redo the segment twenty minutes later and said this instead:

Well it can happen. It's a very large organization, much larger than when I served in the league office, maybe much larger by a factor of 10. When you have a large, bureaucratic organization, which that is, and there are some that think it is too large, very honestly. Things can slip through the cracks. Someone can make a value judgement who has no right to make that judgement. The CEO, who is in effect Roger Goodell, doesn't get all the information he needs all the time. That's a fact of life in bureaucracies. In this case, we'll find out what happened, and they'll absolutely, they being the NFL and Roger, will have to take steps to make sure it never happens again.

Joker · Sep 11, 2014

The Goodellian jack boot obviously planted to the back of Polian's neck.

Mack Herron · Sep 11, 2014

flasox27 · Sep 11, 2014

The fact remains that Goodell and the Ravens hierarchy in their hearts don't think violence against women is important, period. Otherwise, Goodell wouldn't have given an initial punishment that is less than smoking pot. It is only in reaction to the public that the fig leaf of the violence policy was put into effect. Anybody that thinks that Goodell or the Ravens did not know what was on the tape whether he screened it or not is an idiot. Ozzie Newsome admitted that nothing on the tape was news nor has anyone said that Rice lied about the tape. So the whole story about the tape causing the additional punishment is a bunch of BS. Once again, it is only public opinion that forces the NFL to do something it had no intention of doing.

SB39 · Sep 11, 2014

flasox27 said:
The fact remains that Goodell and the Ravens hierarchy in their hearts don't think violence against women is important, period. Otherwise, Goodell wouldn't have given an initial punishment that is less than smoking pot.

Well that's what the NFL has been doing for the past 15 years, with nary a whisper of protest from the media or the fans, so it doesn't look like any of us collectively think violence against women is important either - unless it's caught on video.

mayoclinic · Sep 11, 2014

Zeus said:
Ignorance is not an excuse jet fans, it's a way of life.

I believe it's actually protected under the First Amendment.

flasox27 · Sep 11, 2014

SB39 said:
Well that's what the NFL has been doing for the past 15 years, with nary a whisper of protest from the media or the fans, so it doesn't look like any of us collectively think violence against women is important either - unless it's caught on video.

Speak for yourself. I happen to think violence against women is more important than smoking pot in terms of penalties.

Joker · Sep 11, 2014

what do you expect from a Goodell butt pimple, Fla? That last comment of his shows what an idiotic, blind slave to authority he is.

As this entire blot, this reprehensible stain on the NFL owners and league heirarchy mushrooms into a near nuclear PR blast, the minions of this megalomaniac Goodell are feverishly at work writing up a press release of plausible denial. Of course,we've heard THIS before...from the underlings of Nixon before Watergate exploded.

There is no explanation for the league's inaction except a web of deceit...and this is exactly what is being woven right now.

Anteros · Sep 11, 2014

Rihanna's segment in tonight's game has been pulled. Heh. I wonder why?

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/rihanna-is-the-opening-act-on-thursday-night-football

patsinthesnow · Sep 11, 2014

@abc: Ray Rice told NFL commissioner Roger Goodell in June that he punched his then-fiancee, sources tell @espn: http://t.co/IHkAgZsGnC

@DVNJr: Goodell told CBS that Rice's account was "ambiguous." Four sources say Rice told the commish he punched his fiancée: http://t.co/DDlYxqhLv7

Bella*chick · Sep 11, 2014

God, Goodell looks like such a liar.

mayoclinic · Sep 11, 2014

Bella*chick said:
God, Goodell looks like such a liar.

That's really the basic issue.

The Ray Rice issue is pretty simply: he did what he did, and there seems to have been ample evidence of it. The NJ prosectors were limited by sentencing guidelines for 3rd degree aggravated assault without priors. But if Rice was upfront about what occurred, that, combined with even the limited video that was publicly available long ago, should have dictated a clear and consistent response from both the Ravens and the league. It didn't, and now that the full video has emerged, there has been consistent waffling, prevaricating, finger-pointing and probably outright lying that the NFL office has no credibility at all, which severely limits its ability to function effectively.

If Rice was in fact up front about his role with the Ravens and the Commissioner and received an initial hand slap followed by subsequent lynching when the video became available, then he has a genuine grievance against the league. The crime didn't change, but the attitude and response to it did, drastically.

SB39 · Sep 11, 2014

flasox27 said:
Speak for yourself. I happen to think violence against women is more important than smoking pot in terms of penalties.

OK. And in your 7 years of being a member of this forum, have you made any posts or comments making any statements on this important issue? Or did you outrage, much like the rest of the nation's, only come into existence over the Ray Rice incident?

Koma · Sep 11, 2014

Bella*chick said:
God, Goodell looks like such a liar.

It is kind of amazing that Goodell hasn't been able to go 2 days without one of his claims being contradicted.

Tues - Goodell says that law enforcement wouldn't share the tape with the league.
Wed - A report comes out that someone in law enforcement sent a copy to the NFL.
Wed - Goodell says Rice's version of event was ambiguous.
Thurs - Multiple sources say that Rice was honest when meeting with the NFL.

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