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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Still have Playmakers saved on the EHD. That was a great show. I still remember how pissed off I was with the cancellation notice was handed in.Ya 10 years ago ESPN cancelled "Playmakers" which was about a fictional football team but hit a little too close to home with regards to things going on in the NFL. It was both critically acclaimed and highly rated (highly rated as far as cable TV goes, that is)
Good point.
“We did not ask the Atlantic City casino directly for the video,” Goodell wrote. “Again, our understanding of New Jersey law is that the casino is prohibited from turning over material to a third party during a law enforcement proceeding, and that doing so would have subjected individuals to prosecution for interference with a criminal investigation.”
At the request of ESPN’s Keith Olbermann, ESPN’s John Barr spoke to Paul Loriquet, director of communications for the Attorney General of New Jersey. Loriquet disputed Goodell’s claim.
“Our interpretation of the law is that it would not have been illegal,” Loriquet told Barr. Loriquet told TMZ the same thing.
The new policy created 2 weeks ago announced it would be 6 games for domestic abuse, so I guess that is also the maximum. At the time of the crime, there was really no policy in place and therefore no maximum, although historical precedent was players got a game or 2 at the most.I am relatively ignorant on NFL procedures.
QUESTIONS
1) What is the NFL's maximum penalty for a first offense of spousal abuse? I thought that it was 6 games.
2) What was the NFL's maximum penalty for a first offense at the time of the crime?
I've heard many reports saying the league cannot punish a player that a team already punished, and a team cannot punish a player that the league has already punished. I cannot say I know that for sure 100% is true, but I believe I once read that somewhere.3) To what degree can a team penalize a player already sanctioned by the league?
Yes that is correct, so long as they pay him everything they owe him. I do not believe Rice had any unpaid-but-guaranteed money owed to him at the time he was cut, so the Ravens are perfectly free to just cut him loose.4) I presume that cutting a player is not considered a punishment. Is that correct? I presume that will be the position of BALT.
It's really case-by-case. IMHO there is far too little consistency.5) Does the timing of arrest or conviction with regard to crimes have any relevance to NFL or team action? Or is the NFL and the teams able to wait until the police do their thing, and then each make their own additional judgement and punishment.
Ray Rice has no basis to file a suit and even if he did, it would be a grievance, not a lawsuit.I suspect that you guys are right. This issue will make juicy headlines for months, and for months after the filing of suits against the league and BALT by the Rice's.
The league has no legal liability here. They are within their right to suspend someone and while suspensions are often appealed, players don't get reimbursed for missed money. The Ravens cut Rice, so how can he argue he is missing money? The guy is currently unemployed.I don't know how the league can justify a change in punishment, and certainly not beyond the retroactive application of the new minimum. BALT kicked him off the team. The league should have done nothing additional, except as the result of an appeal by someone to the league. The league now has a legal mess and may very well end up paying the Rice's.
Surely, I have missed something.
6) Goodell bowed to public pressure and suspended Rice indefinitely.
CONCLUSION BY ALMOST EVERYONE
Goodell acted terribly in not exacting enough punishment and should resign.
CONCLUSION BY KRAFT (after consulting with his staff and lawyers)
Goodell act correctly (excellently is the unfortunate word that he used).
SOME THOUGHTS
Personally, I do not see what Goodell should have done. At best, he might have changed the penalty to a 6 game suspension, and indicated that this was based on new evidence, noting that the old policy did not prohibit a 6 game suspension.
Goodell's current strategy seems to be to remain in hiding and hope the owners do the right thing.
Um you do realize he's already done all those things, right? Of course when the league commits to fixing things, people criticize them for just reacting to negative PR and that its all coming "too late".If Goodell really wants to salvage this situation then he needs to step up publicly, admit mistakes, and truly and sincerely commit to fixing things. But I suspect that that kind of hutzpah just isn't in his nature.
Um you do realize he's already done all those things, right?
*pick up a newspaper every once in a while*citation needed.
Um you do realize he's already done all those things, right? Of course when the league commits to fixing things, people criticize them for just reacting to negative PR and that its all coming "too late".
*pick up a newspaper every once in a while
He met with the media when he announced the new policy. He admitted they handled the Ray Rice suspension poorly and were therefore implementing the new 6 games for first offense policy.
I am not asking for a rude, flippant response. I am asking for you to back up your own argument. This is not an unreasonable request and I would thank you to not take offense to requests of this nature. When you asked me for sources previously, did I become rude with you? No. I listed sources for you.
If you want to be convincing, you must back up your points. Anything less is just spam.
Goodell had a staged interview (not even a press conference because he knows his story doesn't hold up to such scrutiny) and proceeded to lie to America about how things went down. How in any way is this "to step up publicly, admit mistakes, and truly and sincerely commit to fixing things"? Take note, there are three actions listed there. I expect you to back up how he has done all three of these things.
http://thebackuppunter.com/2014/09/10/roger-goodell-ray-rice-cover-up/
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/...to-public-owners-should-ask-him-to-step-down/