Watch out McCourty truthers (top safeties list)

Spiral said:

I think you need to put an asterisk besides that "All Pro" designation. There were two first-team all-pros, and six second-team all pros.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000308570/article/2013-allpro-teams

Safeties: Earl Thomas, Seattle; Eric Berry, Kansas City.

Second team: Eric Weddle, San Diego; Kam Chancellor, Seattle, Jairus Byrd, Buffalo, T.J. Ward, Cleveland, Devin McCourty, New England and Antrel Rolle, New York Giants.

Berry was vastly improved from 2012, when he was coming off a torn ACL. Thomas has an outside chance at Defensive Player of of the Year. It's good to see Ward get some love. The second-team players likely got one vote apiece.

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You could also asterisk DMCs all-pro designation as it wasn't his natural position. In fact he only had one full year at the position.

Antrell, "Toilet" Rolle, that's good company for McCourty.

Pessimistic Pete said:

Locking up Revis to a big money deal is something that excites me because he actually is elite.

Do you REALLY get that excited about signing McCourty to big time money? I certainly don't. Do people seriously put him in the same class as Earl Thomas?

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Revis is elite. But Mccourty holds our back end together. We should get pretty dam excited for an extension....hopefully for both of them

Rob0729 said:

Still he is one of eight safeties who got voted. It means at least one AP voter thought he was one of the top four safeties in the league.

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You can trust me on this one, it wasn't me.

Pessimistic Pete said:

Locking up Revis to a big money deal is something that excites me because he actually is elite.

Do you REALLY get that excited about signing McCourty to big time money? I certainly don't. Do people seriously put him in the same class as Earl Thomas?

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your more excited to pay a 30 year old revis 12+ million a year then paying McCourty a 27 year old top 10 Safety 7 or 8 million, if we are talking about big plays then McCourty has twice as many tackles more then twice as many INT's and more Pass Def then Rives since coming into the NFL in 2010.

I would love to keep both but if I had to pick one its McCourty and by a lot

Bruins29 said:

You could also asterisk DMCs all-pro designation as it wasn't his natural position. In fact he only had one full year at the position.

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I don't know if safety is his natural position, but it's for sure his best position. He was good at corner his rookie year, terrible in 2011, and not any better in 2012 before they moved him to safety.

patsfan-1982 said:

your more excited to pay a 30 year old revis 12+ million a year then paying McCourty a 27 year old top 10 Safety 7 or 8 million, if we are talking about big plays then McCourty has twice as many tackles more then twice as many INT's and more Pass Def then Rives since coming into the NFL in 2010.

I would love to keep both but if I had to pick one its McCourty and by a lot

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Pass Def may not be a very good metric, but from 2010-2013, McCourty has gone 17, 13, 13, 9. He has 15 career ints, but 7 of those came in his first year, and 8 in the three years since. He had one last year.

patsfan-1982 said:

your more excited to pay a 30 year old revis 12+ million a year then paying McCourty a 27 year old top 10 Safety 7 or 8 million, if we are talking about big plays then McCourty has twice as many tackles more then twice as many INT's and more Pass Def then Rives since coming into the NFL in 2010.

I would love to keep both but if I had to pick one its McCourty and by a lot

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Been there done that.

Keeping Mcourty over Revis would seal the deal that Belichick has lost his marbles. If Revis wants crazy money you obviously cant blow up the cap to keep him but if the choice is Revis or Mcourty its Revis hands down.

Spiral said:

I don't know if safety is his natural position, but it's for sure his best position. He was good at corner his rookie year, terrible in 2011, and not any better in 2012 before they moved him to safety.



Pass Def may not be a very good metric, but from 2010-2013, McCourty has gone 17, 13, 13, 9. He has 15 career ints, but 7 of those came in his first year, and 8 in the three years since. He had one last year.

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even if you nitpick and take his 7 INT season away he still has more INT's then revis in that time, my point is not to say he is a better player then revis but to say stats are not the tell all of a player IMO he means more to this defense then revis and is younger and will not take Brady money to re-sign so like I said if I could only sign one it would be McCourty by far

Shed83 said:

Even if that was the case......Edelman sucked at being a QB so got moved to a new position and is now our no1 WR. You could even argue he is one of the best in the league for the position/role he plays! For Edelman read McCourty!

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Lets pay Edelman top 5 money!

Edelman replaced Welker and cost less. The Pats could find a Safety to replace Mcourty that will cost less.

Triumph said:

Been there done that.

Keeping Mcourty over Revis would seal the deal that Belichick has lost his marbles. If Revis wants crazy money you obviously cant blow up the cap to keep him but if the choice is Revis or Mcourty its Revis hands down.

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that's your opinion and I respect it but for me revis is going to have to show me a lot more then just pretty good play the next 15+ games before he is worth paying 12+ million at 30 years old

chasa said:

Mic drop!

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I knew that one was coming. That was sweet!

patsfan-1982 said:

that's your opinion and I respect it but for me revis is going to have to show me a lot more then just pretty good play the next 15+ games before he is worth paying 12+ million at 30 years old

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I quite agree. It's not an either/or deal. McCourty's brother signed a six-year contract in 2012 with an AAV of $7.2M. Anyone who thinks that Devon is going to sign a contract with the Patriots for anything less than $8M or so AAV doesn't have a twin brother. BB may decide that neither McCourty nor Revis is worth what they'll probably be asking for after this year.

Dollar for dollar, McCourty is more worth keeping than Revis. McCourty will probably cost $7-$10 million per year. Revis will easily be $16 million plus.

patsfan-1982 said:

that's your opinion and I respect it but for me revis is going to have to show me a lot more then just pretty good play the next 15+ games before he is worth paying 12+ million at 30 years old

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Revis hardly played in the preseason I read.

We should know shortly if Revis is still the same player he was.

Pessimistic Pete said:

Do people seriously put him in the same class as Earl Thomas?

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No I don't. But I do believe McCourty is an elite coverage safety.

Earl Thomas is just the whole package. Range, instincts, physicality. He's in a class of his own, head and shoulders above every other safety in the league right now.

ATippett56 said:

The New England Patriot definitely need to extend Devin McCourty even if it means cutting Brandon Browner next season:

2015 New England Patriots Cornerbacks
Revis, Darrelle
Dennard, Alfonzo
Ryan, Logan
Butler, Malcolm
Arrington, Kyle

2015 New England Patriots Safeties
McCourty, Devin
Wilson, Tavon
Harmon, Duron
Ebner, Nate
Jones, Don

http://www.patscap.com/2015patscap.html

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I was surprised McCourty didn't get extended this past offseason. I'm confident they'll re-sign him, though, and I don't think they'll need to cut anyone to so it.

Wheelman said:

No I don't. But I do believe McCourty is an elite coverage safety.

Earl Thomas is just the whole package. Range, instincts, physicality. He's in a class of his own, head and shoulders above every other safety in the league right now.

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The difference between Thomas and McCourty is the difference between a hall of famer and a garden variety all pro. McCourty is really really good. Thomas is a once-a-decade type talent.

The idea that someone would diminish McCourty by saying he isn't Thomas is just dumb. It's like saying every WR of the 2000s sucked because none of them were as good as Randy Moss.

The defense was reeling after that first drive and then Cassel launched it deep to Wright, who seemed to have a step on his guy. A 45-yard completion there setting up on the Patriots half of the field probably changes the tone of the game significantly, but McCourty made a huge play to diagnose it and cover a ton of ground and make a huge INT, running it all the way back to the 1.

On a day when the offense struggled to generate much on their own (7 points from ST, 17 points off turnovers, 2 FGs on their own drives), it was a huge play at a pretty important time.

A solid day overall with a really huge, game-changing moment from one of our captains and a guy who deserves better than he gets around here.

So........Any questions?

Triumph said:

Exactly

That's how diluted the NFL Safety talent pool is. Whats next? Retiree Ed Reed # 11

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I think what people are trying to tell you is the following:

Even a broken clock is right twice a day and you, sir, are no clock.