Watch out McCourty truthers (top safeties list)

Triumph said:

Mcourty had to go someplace because he was not cutting it at CB.

You make it sound like Mcourty can play CB with the best of them but is doing the team a solid moving to S.

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Who cares if he moved to safety because he wasn't a good corner? He is one of the best safeties in the league, and that is the position he plays now. It's not why he got there that's important, it's how he plays there.

borg said:

Sorry to call you out....but you're rewriting history with Flying Elvi colored glasses. His second year he was rated one of the worst if not the worst DB in the league. Plan B was safety

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McCourty had a bad second year and rebounded his third year. Of course, Pats fans would kill him if he shut down his coverage all game and gave up one big play in a game his third year.

This thread is great. I especially liked the part where TonyTucker asks for an example of McCourty making a play, is given what he asks for, and then says yaaaa but that doesn't count. Could TonyTucker, Triumph and Borg please step up your trolling games? Your just too obvious with your current attempts.

JMC00 said:

So do us "McCourty homers" get to use the fact that he was rated one of the best Safeties last year? Or does that goes against your guys agenda?

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This year Polamau is ranked # 10

That dude is running on fumes, but is only 5 spots down from Mcourty?

chasa said:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000392284/article/earl-thomas-tops-list-of-nfls-best-safeties

The nfl.com article lists him as the 5th best safety in the league.

That can't be right... right?

I mean i keep reading on this forum that McCourty is just the worst.

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Even that list underrates him. Would anyone take Eric Berry over McCourty?

Pats-Phan said:

This thread is great. I especially liked the part where TonyTucker asks for an example of McCourty making a play, is given what he asks for, and then says yaaaa but that doesn't count. Could TonyTucker, Triumph and Borg please step up your trolling games? Your just too obvious with your current attempts.

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I would bet that these 3 have not accomplished much in life and are just here to project their own misery.

Triumph said:

So what are the Pats waiting for locking this Elite player up with a long term deal?

Why delay when greatness is before you? Mcourty will only get more expensive with each passing game.

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First, I never said he was elite. I said is a top safety in this league. I only think Earl Thomas is an elite safety in this league.

Second, how do you know they haven't been trying to lock up McCourty. Maybe McCourty doesn't want to sign for what the Pats are offering and thinks he can get more on the open market? Or at least waiting until he has another All Pro year to get the Pats to pay him more (and yes, McCourty was an All Pro last year and was voted as such).

Triumph said:

This year Polamau is ranked # 10

That dude is running on fumes, but is only 5 spots down from Mcourty?

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Polamalu is living off of his reputation. He hasn't been that good for 2-3 years now.

Marinlik said:

Who cares if he moved to safety because he wasn't a good corner? He is one of the best safeties in the league, and that is the position he plays now. It's not why he got there that's important, it's how he plays there.

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It would like if Brady played every week like this past Sundays game and was classified as Elite.

Mcourty is average and sometimes above average. If NFL.COM thinks that he is top 5 go right ahead. They have been wrong before.

VrabelJr said:

Polamalu is living off of his reputation. He hasn't been that good for 2-3 years now.

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Exactly

That's how diluted the NFL Safety talent pool is. Whats next? Retiree Ed Reed # 11

Triumph said:

It would like if Brady played every week like this past Sundays game and was classified as Elite.

Mcourty is average and sometimes above average. If NFL.COM thinks that he is top 5 go right ahead. They have been wrong before.

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Show me one independent source that ranks safeties that don't have McCourty in the top ten.

SI has him sixth
http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/07/25/earl-thomas-eric-berry-top-10-safeties

PFF has him #1 (although I hate them)

Athalon Sports had him ranked 3rd

McCourty was voted an All Pro by the AP

I am trying to decide who is more credible. The NFL coaches, GMs, players, fans, writers, and most of this forum.

Or 3 dorks on a computer in their moms basement

Let me get back to you guys while i ponder it.

Rob0729 said:

McCourty had a bad second year and rebounded his third year. Of course, Pats fans would kill him if he shut down his coverage all game and gave up one big play in a game his third year.

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McCourty was a fine CB. He was a capable starter, and in a zone scheme he would've continued to be really good.

Once the Pats moved to primarily press man coverage, though, McCourty just wasn't all that valuable as a corner (I feel the same way about Logan Ryan). As a safety, though, McCourty's really really good, so it made sense to move him.

Not to mention that the NFL has evolved over the past 5 years in a way that makes FSs potentially as valuable as corners.

BradyFTW! said:

McCourty was a fine CB. He was a capable starter, and in a zone scheme he would've continued to be really good.

Once the Pats moved to primarily press man coverage, though, McCourty just wasn't all that valuable as a corner (I feel the same way about Logan Ryan). As a safety, though, McCourty's really really good, so it made sense to move him.

Not to mention that the NFL has evolved over the past 5 years in a way that makes FSs potentially as valuable as corners.

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I agree. Earl Thomas is basically is a CB playing FS (just like McCourty!) and he sometimes does play CB in Seattle's defense.

Pats-Phan said:

This thread is great. I especially liked the part where TonyTucker asks for an example of McCourty making a play, is given what he asks for, and then says yaaaa but that doesn't count. Could TonyTucker, Triumph and Borg please step up your trolling games? Your just too obvious with your current attempts.

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The bonus of this thread is It shows me exactly who to add to ignore.

chasa said:

The bonus of this thread is It shows me exactly who to add to ignore.

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I think it we just started to ignore posters like this (and there are several others) instead of giving them the attention they so obviously desperately need that eventually they would go troll someplace else for that attention.

Imagine being so miserable with your life and your accomplishments that you have to come to an anonymous football forum to make a complete jackass of yourself just to get some attention.

Sad lonely people in this world.

The New England Patriot definitely need to extend Devin McCourty even if it means cutting Brandon Browner next season:

2015 New England Patriots Cornerbacks
Revis, Darrelle
Dennard, Alfonzo
Ryan, Logan
Butler, Malcolm
Arrington, Kyle

2015 New England Patriots Safeties
McCourty, Devin
Wilson, Tavon
Harmon, Duron
Ebner, Nate
Jones, Don

http://www.patscap.com/2015patscap.html

Last updated on September 3, 2014 6:40 PM EDT

According to my figures the Patriots' 2015 cap commitment is for $132,535,288 with 48 players signed or tendered. The Patriots have $4,615,985 in dead money. $132,535,288 + $4,615,985 = $137,151,273.

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Triumph said:

Mcourty had to go someplace because he was not cutting it at CB.

You make it sound like Mcourty can play CB with the best of them but is doing the team a solid moving to S.

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Even if that was the case......Edelman sucked at being a QB so got moved to a new position and is now our no1 WR. You could even argue he is one of the best in the league for the position/role he plays! For Edelman read McCourty!

Rob0729 said:

First, I never said he was elite. I said is a top safety in this league. I only think Earl Thomas is an elite safety in this league.

Second, how do you know they haven't been trying to lock up McCourty. Maybe McCourty doesn't want to sign for what the Pats are offering and thinks he can get more on the open market? Or at least waiting until he has another All Pro year to get the Pats to pay him more (and yes, McCourty was an All Pro last year and was voted as such).

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I think you need to put an asterisk besides that "All Pro" designation. There were two first-team all-pros, and six second-team all pros.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000308570/article/2013-allpro-teams

Safeties: Earl Thomas, Seattle; Eric Berry, Kansas City.

Second team: Eric Weddle, San Diego; Kam Chancellor, Seattle, Jairus Byrd, Buffalo, T.J. Ward, Cleveland, Devin McCourty, New England and Antrel Rolle, New York Giants.

Berry was vastly improved from 2012, when he was coming off a torn ACL. Thomas has an outside chance at Defensive Player of of the Year. It's good to see Ward get some love. The second-team players likely got one vote apiece.

Spiral said:

I think you need to put an asterisk besides that "All Pro" designation. There were two first-team all-pros, and six second-team all pros.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000308570/article/2013-allpro-teams

Safeties: Earl Thomas, Seattle; Eric Berry, Kansas City.

Second team: Eric Weddle, San Diego; Kam Chancellor, Seattle, Jairus Byrd, Buffalo, T.J. Ward, Cleveland, Devin McCourty, New England and Antrel Rolle, New York Giants.

Berry was vastly improved from 2012, when he was coming off a torn ACL. Thomas has an outside chance at Defensive Player of of the Year. It's good to see Ward get some love. The second-team players likely got one vote apiece.

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Still he is one of eight safeties who got voted. It means at least one AP voter thought he was one of the top four safeties in the league.