Brady vs Mike Zimmer

Brady vs Zimmer.

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Expect a carbon copy of the Miami game with the Minny D harassing Brady. The run has to be established to keep Minny honest and back on their heels.

The real match up is going to be Sharrif Floyd and Linval Joseph (who many wanted the Patriots to sign) against the interior of the Patriots OL. It's an area where the Patriots look horribly outmatched.

ausbacker said:

The real match up is going to be Sharrif Floyd and Linval Joseph (who many wanted the Patriots to sign) against the interior of the Patriots OL. It's an area where the Patriots look horribly outmatched.

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Floyd missed practiced today due to injury which I would think makes him questionable for the game.

Patriots OLine can't double them all. Hopefully they can at least play mistake free and brady can unload the football in a hurry to The big fast WRs KT and Dobson can beat the viking secondary quickly for some big plays intermediate and deep which then opens up the run and short passing game to discourage blitzes and keep Brady upright most of the game. Brady HSS to get his best athletes involved and torch them. They will start doubling Kenbrell and Dobson once they both torch them for a couple plays. Once they respect bigger plays there won't be much blitzing and even if they do things will be open for Edelman and Vereen in short passing game all day. Make the defense commit resources to stop being burned intermediate and deep and show them they aren't just a dink and dunk offense

Im going to break a TV if McDamiels does not start acting right.

ausbacker said:

The real match up is going to be Sharrif Floyd and Linval Joseph (who many wanted the Patriots to sign) against the interior of the Patriots OL. It's an area where the Patriots look horribly outmatched.

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Fortunately, the mismatch is not as bad as last week. Floyd and Joseph are not at the level of Odrick and Starks. Joseph will be tough to move, but they should have an easier time running against this D elsewhere. The pressure will also be more likely to come from blitzing, which should give Brady a better hot read than Gronk and hope.

PatFanCraig said:

Patriots OLine can't double them all. Hopefully they can at least play mistake free and brady can unload the football in a hurry to The big fast WRs KT and Dobson can beat the viking secondary quickly for some big plays intermediate and deep which then opens up the run and short passing game to discourage blitzes and keep Brady upright most of the game. Brady HSS to get his best athletes involved and torch them. They will start doubling Kenbrell and Dobson once they both torch them for a couple plays. Once they respect bigger plays there won't be much blitzing and even if they do things will be open for Edelman and Vereen in short passing game all day. Make the defense commit resources to stop being burned intermediate and deep and show them they aren't just a dink and dunk offense

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Nobody is doubling KT or Dobson, not with Gronk and Edelman out there. KT and Dobson also aren't likely to be beating anyone intermediate and deep, if Brady is unloading the football in a hurry. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but your thought process is more fanciful than reasoned.

I hope we bring a running game this time.

Josh should pull out his play calling from the Vikings 06 game and use screens and draws the way he did with Faulk in that game with Vereen in this one.

Triumph said:

Brady vs Zimmer.

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Expect a carbon copy of the Miami game with the Minny D harassing Brady. The run has to be established to keep Minny honest and back on their heels.

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Fortunately they don't have the same line as Miami, especially anyone that's like Wake, a speed demon off the left edge.

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Fortunately they don't have the same line as Miami, especially anyone that's like Wake, a speed demon off the left edge.

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Exactly, Everson Griffen is no Cameron Wake. The Minnesota DL as a whole is inferior to Miami's, and despite all the talk about Zimmer's success against the Pats last year, that Cincinnati DL with Johnson, Dunlap, and Atkins was even better.

if they get there with 4...it is going to a long year for #12...

The Pats are going to have to spread them out and establish the quick strike passing game. Zimmer, if he remains true to his style, is going to bring the heat. The quick slants and shallow crossing routes should be there for the taking. Until proven otherwise, we have to assume the interior OL is going to get abused. So quick passing should help protect Brady. If the Pats find success there, the Vikings may show more Cover-2 or 3 looks (especially if Dobson plays and the Pats are killing them with YAC) where Gronk and Edelman should be able to feast down the seam.

The thing I'm worried about most in this game is our defense stopping AP. If they trot out the 3-4 again with Vellano and have Chandler two-gapping, then we honestly have no answer.

I think the whole Zimmer thing is being overplayed. Here are the reasons why:

• People forget how bad the Patriots offense was in 2003 and that they had five games where they scored 12 or less points that year (four of them wins).
• Plus, both the 2003 Cowboys and 2013 Bengals had stacked defenses.
• In 2003, the Cowboys had the #1 pass defense, #1 overall defense, and #2 scoring defense.
• Last year, Cincy was the #3 overall defense, #5 scoring defense, and #5 passing defense.
• There were freak rain showers in Cincy last year that grounded the Pats' passing game in the fourth quarter.
• I don't think the Vikes' defense this year is as good as either the 2003 Cowboys or 2013 Bengals, but better than the 2010 Bengals.

So in other words, Brady's past history vs. Zimmer is useless in looking at Sunday.

pencilneckgeek said:

Fortunately, the mismatch is not as bad as last week. Floyd and Joseph are not at the level of Odrick and Starks. Joseph will be tough to move, but they should have an easier time running against this D elsewhere. The pressure will also be more likely to come from blitzing, which should give Brady a better hot read than Gronk and hope.



Nobody is doubling KT or Dobson, not with Gronk and Edelman out there. KT and Dobson also aren't likely to be beating anyone intermediate and deep, if Brady is unloading the football in a hurry. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but your thought process is more fanciful than reasoned.

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If KT and Dobson were the primary read they would be doubled way before Edelman and sometimes even Gronk due to fact they can burn most Dbacks with speed alone. Of course they aren't doubled as read # 3 or 4 when OLine doesn't allow Brady to get to those reads as often. That's just the point, Need to get most explosive and athletic WRs more involved to spread the defense out. Then the shorter range dump off options will always be open in the event of instant pressure. Gronk right now I don't think is 100%. He is noticeably slower than last year. KT and Dobson are the only speed on the team defenses will fear. Its time to use them and make them our primary reads in practice and games. Also they find out if they have true #1 go to WRs. They have raw skill set to be true #1 WRs, have to find out if they can apply it.

How is a 3-1 TD-INT ratio and 2-1 W/L record bad?

Rob0729 said:

I think the whole Zimmer thing is being overplayed. Here are the reasons why:

• People forget how bad the Patriots offense was in 2003 and that they had five games where they scored 12 or less points that year (four of them wins).
• Plus, both the 2003 Cowboys and 2013 Bengals had stacked defenses.
• In 2003, the Cowboys had the #1 pass defense, #1 overall defense, and #2 scoring defense.
• Last year, Cincy was the #3 overall defense, #5 scoring defense, and #5 passing defense.
• There were freak rain showers in Cincy last year that grounded the Pats' passing game in the fourth quarter.
• I don't think the Vikes' defense this year is as good as either the 2003 Cowboys or 2013 Bengals, but better than the 2010 Bengals.

So in other words, Brady's past history vs. Zimmer is useless in looking at Sunday.

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Does the coach not have something to do with how good a defense is? Is it possible that Zimmer helped put those defenses at those spots, and can possibly do the same for the Vikes?

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Im going to break a TV if McDamiels does not start acting right.

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In that case I would head to Best Buy now if I were you.

Triumph said:

Im going to break a TV if McDamiels does not start acting right.

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Brady6 said:

In that case I would head to Best Buy now if I were you.

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Get a nice 3D TV, I heard those are pretty decent. Good Ol' Josh McD, he never fails to disappoint. We are talking about a man who was fist-pumping on the sideline of Mile High like he just won the Super Bowl when his Broncos beat the Patriots in a regular season game in 2009. This is the man who drafted Tebow, in the first round. But what about the 2007 season when the Patriots went on a record breaking offensive tear and Brady broke the single season passing TD record? Surely Josh McD was responsible for a part of that? NO, because that was mostly Randy Moss and the rest was Brady. Remember the '98 Vikings? That was also Randy Moss. Remember how Brian Billick was praised as a offensive genius when the Vikings broke the scoring record in '98 and he was offered the head coaching job for the Ratbirds? Randy Moss got him that job and Randy Moss was the reason Josh McD became the head coach of the Donkeys. Unlike Brian Billick, who had an all-time great defense gifted to him by the football gods and practically won a Super Bowl riding on a defensive unit lead by an alleged murderer. Josh McD never had that kind of fortune and failed miserably as a head coach.

Remember the first Super Bowl against the Giants? With all the offensive talent ,the Patriots only scored 14 points for the game. Aside from his inability to make adjustments for the offense, the most egregious thing was probably the play calling for the final drive. With 29 seconds left and two time outs, the Patriots had the ball on the 26 yard line. That offensive unit led by Tom Brady with Randy Moss, Wes Welker and other offensive talent could not even manage to get in the field goal range and get a field goal to tie the game. In the last drive,they were forcing the ball deep to Moss and Brady had to wait in the pocket even though the Giants D-line was killing the Pats O-line for the entire game and Moss was triple covered.

I don't hate Josh McD. I think he can be a good coordinator and maybe a good head coach someday. But right now I just don't have much faith in him . At least he's better than Matt Patricia, who has got his Randy Moss in Darrelle Revis and hasn't figured out how to utilize him to bring the defense to the next level.

Bring the running game and don't abandon it when the going gets tough. But Zimmer always gives pats problems

penetration killed the running game last week. That and the lack of a "big back". I think the pats are going to miss Blunt, opps, I mean Blount. He made a lot of yards after contact. That is not Ridley or Vareen's game. The Pats always had a big back, decades ago when they won Superbowls. I think that combined with the d-line being in the backfield at the snap, and bad/predictable play calling is the root of the pats running problems. I had no idea why Bolden was in the game last week. I think Vareen is a great 3rd down back and runs just as good as Ridley up the middle. But he just doesn't have the size to punish defenders. Last year teams got tired of trying to tackle Blount, he is a load and got better as the game progressed. The Pats do not have that type of back on the roster. So if you don't have to worry about getting killed by the Pats running game, the Pats have no deep threat whatsoever, basically they have a team of slot receivers, just jam up the middle of the field and Brady will have no options. Its not hard, its what the Phins did, and its what you are going to see until the status quo changes.