Media Report (unverified): The NFL had the Rice Elevator Tape in April

Even Jerry Jones is embarrassed by Roger Goodbyes actions.

I don't think Kraft being the only owner to my knowledge who opened his trap in defense of Goodell has done much to dispel that notion.

GrogansArmy said:

For all those saying all this crap will vindicate us and show that Goodell went overboard on our punishment... here you go:



I spend over 90% of my time with users outside of the NE area, and from what everything I hear from them during downtime - in their opinion spygate was pushed under the carpet because Goodell and Kraft are buddies. That is the reason why Goodell destroyed the tapes that supposedly proved the crime. This Rice issue only brings it to light again... unfortunately.

So, yes. This Ray Rice scandal will put spygate back on the map... again... and already has as proven by the above comment.

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Exactly as I said earlier.

This $hitstorm is going to hit the Patriots all over again. Goodell's inept handling of the matter unnecessarily left too many open questions in 2007. I agree with many here who wish it would just go away, but that's not how it's going to work.

As if Spygate had ever truly gone away. . . .

GrogansArmy said:

For all those saying all this crap will vindicate us and show that Goodell went overboard on our punishment... here you go:



I spend over 90% of my time with users outside of the NE area, and from what everything I hear from them during downtime - in their opinion spygate was pushed under the carpet because Goodell and Kraft are buddies. That is the reason why Goodell destroyed the tapes that supposedly proved the crime. This Rice issue only brings it to light again... unfortunately.

So, yes. This Ray Rice scandal will put spygate back on the map... again... and already has as proven by the above comment.

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Good. I hope it does put it back on the map. How many of us have wanted a `do over` with defending our Dynasty on the national stage?

Bring it on.

It took me too many clicks to get to the actual AP story so here it is for anyone who hasn't read it yet.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-newsbreak-source-says-rice-video-sent-nfl

Although I would pay to see Goodell tarred, feathered, and ridden out of town on a railroad tie by a herd of bull dykes ( or should that be a herd of Bull Dyke? 1 Bull Dyke, many Bull Dyke?)

ctpatsfan77 said:

As if Spygate had ever truly gone away. . . .

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It went on vacation didn't it? Back in 2 months!

PATS16N0 said:

Good. I hope it does put it back on the map. How many of us have wanted a `do over` with defending our Dynasty on the national stage?

Bring it on.

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Maybe it will fire the team up.

Something has to give.

PATS16N0 said:

Good. I hope it does put it back on the map. How many of us have wanted a `do over` with defending our Dynasty on the national stage?

Bring it on.

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I want a 2007 repeat, but in the opposite way. Like week 1 was the 07 Super Bowl where Tom got smashed up, and this years Super Bowl will be when the team is at its best posting a win like 52-7. Oh the wish

so, ESPN just now ran a report that Rice spit on his fiance before he got into the elevator, then spit on her again inside the elevator..and then he told security ,after he savagely and brutally knocked her out, that "I'm gettin' arrested tonight!" in a bragging boastful manner.

BTW, the tape sent to NFL headquarters is much clearer than the TMZ copy sent to them by cell phone.

Joker said:

so, ESPN just now ran a report that Rice spit on his fiance before he got into the elevator, then spit on her again inside the elevator..and then he told security ,after he savagely and brutally knocked her out, that "I'm gettin' arrested tonight!" in a bragging boastful manner.

BTW, the tape sent to NFL headquarters is much clearer than the TMZ copy sent to them by cell phone.

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Have you started his resignation statement?

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 5m
NFL announces its latest independent investigation, this one into its handling of the Rice case, led by former FBI chief Robert Mueller III

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Joker said:

so, ESPN just now ran a report that Rice spit on his fiance before he got into the elevator, then spit on her again inside the elevator..and then he told security ,after he savagely and brutally knocked her out, that "I'm gettin' arrested tonight!" in a bragging boastful manner.

BTW, the tape sent to NFL headquarters is much clearer than the TMZ copy sent to them by cell phone.

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Surprised it took that long for it to be "reported"

You can see both instances pretty clearly on the tape:

First: at 00:08
Second: at 00:24

Triumph said:

Why would Godell only give Rice 2 games when he saw what occurred in the elevator?

Most times he has given a stronger sentence and then reduced it later.

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Sorry, not true. In something like 74 of the most recent 85 cases, a player arrested for domestic violence go no punishment. I believe something like only 2 of them served more than 2 games.

The simple, undeniable FACT is that the suspension originally given to Rice was very much in line with suspensions given in similar circumstances in the past, and there was absolutely zero media/fan outrage in those cases. If anything, Rice's punishment was a bit on the harsh side compared to the historical precedent. But since, unlike all those other circumstances, the public saw video of the event, people are reacting differently.

All you need to know about the league, and its decent into PC land:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...son-two-weeks-for-domestic-violence-comments/

SB39 said:

Sorry, not true. In something like 74 of the most recent 85 cases, a player arrested for domestic violence go no punishment. I believe something like only 2 of them served more than 2 games.

The simple, undeniable FACT is that the suspension originally given to Rice was very much in line with suspensions given in similar circumstances in the past, and there was absolutely zero media/fan outrage in those cases. If anything, Rice's punishment was a bit on the harsh side compared to the historical precedent. But since, unlike all those other circumstance, the public saw video of the event, people are reacting differently.

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Thanks for the info

74 got no punishment? Wow. But was there physical assault like in the Rice case? Knocking out your wife/ GF is pretty severe.

Here's another question that needs to be answered. TMZ reached out to the NFL before releasing the tape. The NFL didn't respond.

If they were so interested in seeing the tape, why would they not respond to TMZ unless they knew what was on it? If they were really interested in it but failed to obtain it, why did they not at least return the phone call?

They only became interested when it was, in fact, released and public reaction began.

FirstAndGoal said:

Here's another question that needs to be answered. TMZ reached out to the NFL before releasing the tape. The NFL didn't respond.

If they were so interested in seeing the tape, why would they not respond to TMZ unless they knew what was on it? If they were really interested in it but failed to obtain it, why did they not at least return the phone call?

They only became interested when it was, in fact, released and public reaction began.

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My only question is how they contacted the NFL. Did they contact them multiple times over several hours? Or once ten minutes before publishing?

ctpatsfan77 said:

My only question is how they contacted the NFL. Did they contact them multiple times over several hours? Or once ten minutes before publishing?

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Hopefully Bob Mueller can answer that in his report now that he's been hired to investigate lol

Rob0729 said:

I think some poor underling is going to be forced to take the fall for this. Goodell needs to take the hit. I don't think the league wanted to see the video because they didn't want to be forced to give Rice a big suspension when domestic violence has historically been a slap on the wrist in the NFL.

As for the Spygate stuff, I think it doesn't really matter. I think there are people who thought things were covered up to begin with. I still go back to that if Belichick did other types of forms of cheating, why would have given it to Goodell anyway? Why not just destroy it so Goodell never knows. If there was a cover up, Belichick gave examples of other teams cheating to help his case.

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I agree in that I don't think this will matter to people who already believe the Patriots committed the greatest crime in human history. Like that genius that Grogan's Army quoted, who believes the Steelers should get a championship trophy over teams that actually reached the SB and that the Rams walkthrough taping actually happened. People like that are so far gone, nothing will change their beliefs.

You also bring up a common sense point that the spygate truthers never address: If the Patriots were up to more illegal stuff (Note: They can never identify what this additional "stuff" was) than taping from an improper location, why would they voluntarily tell the league about it? If you cheat on your taxes and you're pulled over for a traffic violation, do you spontaneously confess that during the traffic stop? Unless the Patriots handled the league's visit in 2007 like complete fools, there were no additional violations for the league to discover and cover-up, most likely because they never existed.

Even though everything Goodell did with that situation was the opposite of a cover-up, people will still believe that because that's what they want to believe. If Goodell loses his position due to his handling of the Rice situation, we'll now be able to say that the Patriots discipline was handed down by an incompetent bumbler, and that's something we couldn't say before (without proof anyway.)