Ray Rice---The Whole Video [Update: Ravens release Rice]

PP2 · Sep 10, 2014

This is being played out very well.

BradyFTW! · Sep 10, 2014

Jackson 2 said:
It appears very possible that there will be no need for Congressional involvement if this latest report is correct. Goodell is going to go down and the ramifications for the Ravens' brass could be significant, as well. The idea that they thought they could actually get away with all of this is the absolute height of hubris. Schadenfreude is fun!

I dunno - it's possible I suppose, but I think Goodell is going to be the fall guy in all of this. I have a hard time seeing the Ravens' FO getting taken down with him. They weren't the ones that decided to suspend Rice for only two games. Should they have cut Rice loose months ago? Sure, but what they did wrong isn't anywhere close to as bad as Goodell. If they were wrong in not punishing their guy above and beyond what the league decided on, then most of the franchises in the NFL are equally guilty.

SB39 · Sep 10, 2014

Jackson 2 said:
It appears very possible that there will be no need for Congressional involvement if this latest report is correct. Goodell is going to go down and the ramifications for the Ravens' brass could be significant, as well. The idea that they thought they could actually get away with all of this is the absolute height of hubris. Schadenfreude is fun!

Get away with what? Believe it or not, the Ray Rice suspension is very much in line with what the league has done over the past few years in other similar cases- but since there was no video in those incidents, there was no public outrage.

3 years ago, Erik Walden was arrested for domestic violence. He was suspended for 1 game. There was no public outrage.

2 years ago, Dez Bryant was arrested for domestic violence. Like Rice, charges were dropped on the condition he went to counseling. He was not suspended. There was no public outrage.

Last November, A.J. Jefferson was arrested on a count of domestic violence attempting to strangle his girlfriend. He got suspended 4 games but the suspension was lifted. There was no public outrage.

Ray McDonald played this past weekend. There was no public outrage.

Greg Hardy played this past weekend. There was no public outrage.

But mention Ray Rice and the public loses their minds.

dales804 · Sep 10, 2014

SB39 said:
Get away with what? Believe it or not, the Ray Rice suspension is very much in line with what the league has done over the past few years in other similar cases- but since there was no video in those incidents, there was no public outrage.

3 years ago, Erik Walden was arrested for domestic violence. He was suspended for 1 game. There was no public outrage.

2 years ago, Dez Bryant was arrested for domestic violence. Like Rice, charges were dropped on the condition he went to counseling. He was not suspended. There was no public outrage.

Last November, A.J. Jefferson was arrested on a count of domestic violence attempting to strangle his girlfriend. He got suspended 4 games but the suspension was lifted. There was no public outrage.

Ray McDonald played this past weekend. There was no public outrage.

Greg Hardy played this past weekend. There was no public outrage.

But mention Ray Rice and the public loses their minds.

I can't speak to the ones you mention prior, but McDonald and Hardy playing this past week was an outrage to me.

Jackson 2 · Sep 10, 2014

BradyFTW! said:
I dunno - it's possible I suppose, but I think Goodell is going to be the fall guy in all of this. I have a hard time seeing the Ravens' FO getting taken down with him. They weren't the ones that decided to suspend Rice for only two games. Should they have cut Rice loose months ago? Sure, but what they did wrong isn't anywhere close to as bad as Goodell. If they were wrong in not punishing their guy above and beyond what the league decided on, then most of the franchises in the NFL are equally guilty.

FTW, I should have been clearer in that I think the fall out for the Ravens will be in the court of public opinion and damage to their brand.

SB39 · Sep 10, 2014

dales804 said:
I can't speak to the ones you mention prior, but McDonald and Hardy playing this past week was an outrage to me.

Me too, especially Hardy whose court case has ended (though he is appealing). But let's face it, those cases a little more than a blip in the media radar which has become all-Rice-all-the-time. The key difference is there is no footage of those incidents.

dales804 · Sep 10, 2014

SB39 said:
Me too, especially Hardy whose court case has ended (though he is appealing). But let's face it, those cases a little more than a blip in the media radar which has become all-Rice-all-the-time. The key difference is there is no footage of those incidents.

Big difference, yes. Didn't Harbaugh say that he has zero tolerance for hitting women? Clearly not if you're still useful to his team.

Jackson 2 · Sep 10, 2014

SB39 said:
Get away with what? Believe it or not, the Ray Rice suspension is very much in line with what the league has done over the past few years in other similar cases- but since there was no video in those incidents, there was no public outrage.

3 years ago, Erik Walden was arrested for domestic violence. He was suspended for 1 game. There was no public outrage.

2 years ago, Dez Bryant was arrested for domestic violence. Like Rice, charges were dropped on the condition he went to counseling. He was not suspended. There was no public outrage.

Last November, A.J. Jefferson was arrested on a count of domestic violence attempting to strangle his girlfriend. He got suspended 4 games but the suspension was lifted. There was no public outrage.

Ray McDonald played this past weekend. There was no public outrage.

Greg Hardy played this past weekend. There was no public outrage.

But mention Ray Rice and the public loses their minds.

I'm convinced you don't read others' posts. Getting away with lying about the league, HIS league, not receiving and/or viewing the video ahead of time.

Haley · Sep 10, 2014

SB39 said:
Uh gee maybe because no laws have been broken by the NFL? And the only guy who broke any laws got nothing more than dropped charges?

The job of congress is to create laws when it finds they are necessary. An open discussion is step one.

SB39 said:
Absolutely. They can talk and talk until the cows come home and I couldn't care less. But it would be pretty idiotic if those same people use the power and authority of their public office to conduct an investigation into the NFL when they have done nothing wrong beyond giving a guy a 2 game suspension when they should have given him 4 or 6 games.
Tobacco: A product that has killed millions of people. The NFL: a company that gave a guy a 2 game suspension when they should have given him 6.

Yeah, that's a great analogy.

We are discussing domestic violence which has most certainly claimed lives. To claim otherwise, as you have done, is pretty disrespectful.

I guess the time for rational discussion is long past for you. While I have rarely found myself in agreement, I have found some of your previous posts insightful. This one, however, makes no sense at all. You are at the point where you aren't even able to consider the validity of another point of view. I fear that being the only dissenting voice has rendered you combative and unable to recognize when anyone else has a point (which has happened a number of times in this thread). It is a shame, as some of your earlier posts were an interesting read. Given that all hope of meaningful discussion appears lost, I'll not continue this. I would recommend you take a break yourself.

SB39 · Sep 10, 2014

Haley said:
The job of congress is to create laws when it finds they are necessary. An open discussion is step one.

I think an open discussion is a great idea. However I feel the discussion should be more centered on why the legal system dropped charges against a man who punched his then-girlfriend so hard she was knocked out. And one thing is for sure that unlike the NFL, we know the prosecutor had the videotape.

So ya, Congress should look into why a guy punched a woman into unconsciousness and got barely a slap on the wrist from the American judicial system, not into the thought process that generated a 2-game suspension from the NFL when he should have gotten 4 or 6, especially considered there is no legal obligation on the NFL to do anything.

Haley said:
We are discussing domestic violence which has most certainly claimed lives. To claim otherwise, as you have done, is pretty disrespectful.

1st of all, where have I claimed otherwise? 2nd of all, don't fool yourself. Congress is not threatening to investigate Ray Rice. They are threatening to investigate the NFL.

It's mind boggling how people have turned Goodell into more of a villain than Rice is.

Haley said:
I guess the time for rational discussion is long past for you. While I have rarely found myself in agreement, I have found some of your previous posts insightful. This one, however, makes no sense at all. You are at the point where you aren't even able to consider the validity of another point of view. I fear that being the only dissenting voice has rendered you combative and unable to recognize when anyone else has a point (which has happened a number of times in this thread).

Well, maybe the fact that people throw the most hateful insults imaginable at me for no other reason than I defend Goodell also tends to contribute to the combative atmosphere.

rochrist · Sep 10, 2014

SVN said:
"The NFL replied swiftly Thursday, saying in a statement: "We have no knowledge of this. We are not aware of anyone who possessed or saw the video before it was made public on Monday. We will look into it."

this is the nfl response. That all.

This is just getting started. The coverup is ALWAYS worse than the crime.

Joker · Sep 10, 2014

Black Knight39 is fighting the bad fight..again...

The Boston Patriot · Sep 10, 2014

ctpatsfan77 said:
One thing, BTW, that could get the NFL owners' attention is if Congress starts raising a squawk about the NFL's antitrust exemption.

The last time there were serious rumblings about that was in 2007 over the Week 17 Pats game, and it worked.

If Goodell attempts to whitewash and it happens now? He's toast.

Sorry, the shi_head from PA is dead, although on second thought, there are many more like him to fill in.

Bobsyouruncle · Sep 10, 2014

Haley said:
I'm really not sure why anyone would think congress should stay out of a highly publicized political issue where the public is already weighing in of its own accord. Ray Rice and Roger "dodger" Goodell make the big bucks in part because they are public figures. This subjects them to the same public arena of any celebrity or public figure.

First and foremost, those speaking out have the right to free speech as citizens of the United States. They do not forfeit these right when accepted into congressional office. If they have an opinion, they have the right to voice it. If the press finds it worthy of air time or print, they will publish it using their right to free press.

Additionally, congress absolutely has a say in the inner workings of any private business. That is a good portion of what they spend their time on. If they find they need to write up legislation to better deal with business people who attempt to hide domestic abuses or publicly blame and shame the victim, they would be within their rights to do so. Take a look at the tobacco industry if you think them powerless in this arena. Alternatively, the FCC.

You didn't justify that the government has the right to tell anyone how to run their business (which is their property), just that they have. This country was founded on the principle that they the government cannot tell you what to do with your property and was its most successful under that policy. I hardly see expanding the governments influence and shrinking people's rights as the correct path. The FCC and tobacco regs have been a colossal waste, and a cesspit of corruption. They are horrible examples. Why can't the government just decide your a bad person and take your money? There's no logical distinction once you allow the government this power.

The Boston Patriot · Sep 10, 2014

ATippett56 said:
Bravo Keith Olbermann!

I never thought I would read this on this board.

The Boston Patriot · Sep 10, 2014

mayoclinic said:
Jason Whitlock fesses up, and call's for Goodell's head:

Jason Whitlock on latest Ray Rice developments - ESPN

Why people are quoting the most heinous hypocrites in the media business is bizarre to me.

ATippett56 · Sep 10, 2014

The Boston Patriot said:
I never thought I would read this on this board.

I applaud anyone that leads the charge to the downfall of one Roger Jetdell.

Bruins29 · Sep 10, 2014

The Boston Patriot said:
Why people are quoting the most heinous hypocrites in the media business is bizarre to me.

Jason Whitlock would smear his mother if he thought it could get him clicks.

Joker · Sep 10, 2014

enemy of our enemy and such..

obgod3 · Sep 10, 2014

An unnamed source said .....come on folks

When the source is named and tells the American people then I'll believe it, maybe.

By the way according to law the nfl really didn't have rights to any of the videos.

It is such a joke, why isn't the DA taking heat? This isn't about the NFL, it is about the law enforcement community protecting a star...geeez

I'm so tierd of the masses being so stupid to follow the information of people that can't provide a source...please ugh

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