***Ray Rice---The Whole Video*** [Update: Ravens release Rice]

OhExaulted1 said:

You know what the end result was for this guy?
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/jets-fan-punched-woman-due-court-article-1.1514734

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New jets' cheerleader coach?

Goodell & Rice: When “Despite Our Best Efforts” is Proven Untrue | Football By Football

“You either don’t know. Or you don’t care. And both are a problem.”

SVN said:

http://www.footballbyfootball.com/column/goodell-rice-when-despite-our-best-efforts-is-proven-untrue

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Perfect summation. Can someone please forward this to Mr Kraft.

It's a shame that Ray Rice did not attend the how to destroy evidence lecture by Ray Lewis.

Full text of Bisciotti letter to Ravens PSL holders | ProFootballTalk

I was listening to Dan Patrick today and he made good point. The way he dragged her out out and stepped over her after knocking her out is even more disturbing. And this video everyone had seen long before.

SVN said:

I was listening to dan patrick today and he made good point. The way he dragged her out out and stepped over her after knocking her out is even more disturbing.

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I found that disturbing, too. Anyone can - especially if intoxicated - lose control. That doesn't excuse the punch, but it would be somewhat understandable. But Rice showed no concern for his then-fiancee, who was out cold for a full minute, which is a darn long time. He treated her like a piece of meat dragging her out of the elevator, and appeared unconcerned and even mildly annoyed that she took so long to come around. That to me was as disturbing as the actual blow.

That was my point earlier and why nobody needed to see a 2nd video before nailing the guy.

When a player is unconscious on the field look at how the medics react and compare it to how this soulless bastard reacted. Unconscionable.

SB39 said:

Yes they do. And the people whining and complaining the loudest about this issue won't be doing that.

And the NFL knows it.

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The Wall St. Journal agrees with you:

The Problem Beyond Ray Rice - WSJ

SVN said:

http://www.footballbyfootball.com/column/goodell-rice-when-despite-our-best-efforts-is-proven-untrue

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Some talented soul ought to take a picture of Goody and paste that Belichick quote to it. "You either didn't know or you didn't care. And both are a problem." Make a meme out of it.

mayoclinic said:

He treated her like a piece of meat dragging her out of the elevator, and appeared unconcerned and even mildly annoyed that she took so long to come around.

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Well he did say at his presser that getting knocked down isn't the failure, it's not getting back up. He was probably very annoyed that Janay failed him.

I realize the "well what did you think it would look like" argument has been made, but does anyone else want to make the argument that the situation was actually worse when left to the imagination; that the release of the video makes the initial 2 game suspension EVEN MORE of a failure? (For different reasons than you might think).

My imagination - Rice, unprovoked, steps into punch so hard he knocks wife out in elevator, NFL = 2 games...

Video - After Rice smacks wife, she spits on him and advances on him further, Rice while retreating to back corner of elevator swings at her off his back foot, she falls and hits head on elevator rail. Knockout seems to be administered by elevator rail and not Rice driving his fist through her face (although still causally related, even if such a result should be in Rice's contemplation at the time he punched her, etc.), NFL = indefinite suspension...

Remember, if we are being objective in the same way a court of law would, provocation is not justification but is a mitigating factor in an assault. In my view, not seeing what happened should have caused greater disgust and punishment when we were left to speculate, even when you consider that that speculation would be up against the expected visceral reaction of actually seeing it.

...oddly enough right after I typed this Greta Van Susteren just said something similar on tv.

I wrote a response to the preceding post but I deleted it because I remembered the proven axiom...."never argue with the idiotic"...

WTF is next?..your honor...I HAD to knock her out, she was hysterical

Joker said:

I wrote a response to the preceding post but I deleted it because I remembered the proven axiom...."never argue with the idiotic"...

WTF is next?..your honor...I HAD to knock her out, she was hysterical

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I'm saying that an unprovoked full force punch hard enough to knock someone out (likely understanding of incident by NFL before video) > backing up in fist fight you started and knocking someone over with a punch that leads them to be knocked out by the environment. IF one is going to illicit a more severe response, it is the first.The NFL has come to different decisions based on each understanding, and I'm saying the greater outrage from the NFL should have came before we ever saw the video.

Don't worry, I'm still wearing my White Knight gear

Jlaff said:

I'm saying that an unprovoked full force punch hard enough to knock someone out > backing up in fist fight you started and knocking someone over with a punch that leads them to be knocked out by the environment. The NFL has come to different decisions based on each understanding, and I'm saying the greater outrage from the NFL should have came before we ever saw the video.

Don't worry, I'm still wearing my White Knight gear

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Most reasonable people wouldn't come to the conclusion you did given the prior evidence.

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! said:

Most reasonable people wouldn't come to the conclusion you did given the prior evidence.

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I thought the previous evidence was only her being dragged out of the elevator knocked out, knowing it was Rice who did it. Without knowing about the elevator railing I don't know what other plausible conclusion there was to come to.

I'm open to the possibility there was more evidence known that I didn't read though...

and today Goodell sets the stage for a future Ray Rice return to the NFL!

http://time.com/3313928/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-ray-rice/

Anyone else see this as simply a desperate ploy to avoid a RR lawsuit for future earnings lost because of inequitable, capricious, publicity driven league office rulings BEYOND the newly stated rules of punishment? Triple damages!

Goodell says that before Monday the evidence against Ray was rice "ambiguous":

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/10/goodell-says-evidence-was-ambiguous-before-video-emerged/

If so, it was only ambiguous because the league found it convenient to let it be so - to allow Rice's fiancee to claim partial responsibility for the incident and Rice's lawyer to float "hypothetical" scenarios without requesting the evidence that would definitively resolve these "ambiguities".

It was convenient for the NFL to overlook the evidence and give Rice a slap on the wrist. Now it's expedient for them to do damage control and throw him under the bus, regardless of the CBA rules.

PatsWickedPissah said:

and today Goodell sets the stage for a future Ray Rice return to the NFL!

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While the suspension is currently indefinite, I don't think anyone thinks the NFL has the authority to make it permanent. Heck, many people think they don't even have the authority to lengthen it beyond the original 2 games but even if they do, anything beyond the 6 game "first offense" ban would be very tough to uphold.

So yeah, Ray Rice will be picked up by some team eventually and the suspension will run its course.

mayoclinic said:

Goodell says that before Monday the evidence against Ray was rice "ambiguous":

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/10/goodell-says-evidence-was-ambiguous-before-video-emerged/

If so, it was only ambiguous because the league found it convenient to let it be so - to allow Rice's fiancee to claim partial responsibility for the incident and Rice's lawyer to float "hypothetical" scenarios without requesting the evidence that would definitively these "ambiguities".

It was convenient for the NFL to overlook the evidence and give Rice a slap on the wrist. Now it's expedient for them to do damage control and throw him under the bus, regardless of the CBA rules.

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Maybe Janay was not unconscious after all, just really, really (really) tired and feel asleep in the elevator.

mayoclinic said:

Goodell says that before Monday the evidence against Ray was rice "ambiguous":

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/10/goodell-says-evidence-was-ambiguous-before-video-emerged/

If so, it was only ambiguous because the league found it convenient to let it be so - to allow Rice's fiancee to claim partial responsibility for the incident and Rice's lawyer to float "hypothetical" scenarios without requesting the evidence that would definitively these "ambiguities".

It was convenient for the NFL to overlook the evidence and give Rice a slap on the wrist. Now it's expedient for them to do damage control and throw him under the bus, regardless of the CBA rules.

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Also - Roger - haven't you or your apparently overpaid PR lackeys ever even heard of the First Rule of Holes? Wow.