Typical Josh McDaniels

shmessy said:

They ran 6/27 4.5 ypc in the 2nd half, had a big disadvantage in ToP and were blasted 23-0.

When the Patriots went 29/14 PtoR in the first half, Brady was 19/29 for 187yds 1TD
When the Patriots went 27/6 PtoR in the second half, Brady was 10/27 for 62 yds.

......and you claim the problem was that the RUN wasn't working!!!!! . Sure!

Those are FACTS. You can try to obfuscate that as much as you want with writing your opinion as fact.

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4.5YPC 2nd half 27 yards.
Of those 27 yards
9 yards Vereen on 3 and 29 at the end of 3rd quarter
7 yards Bolden on 2nd and 16 after LaFAIL with a stupid penalty wiped out a 14yard pass to Amendola (Amendola was down at Dolphins 27 when the score was 20-23)
9 yards Verren in garbage time with 1:07 left in the game
Those are the FACTS. The run game sucked in the 2nd half. With no run game, the dolphins ganged up on Brady.

Deus Irae said:

Who said anything about giving up? Despite all of Smessy's whining, they were 3 points down and got into FG range on the play where the OPI changed everything. I love how they can't give up the run, but it's ok for them to give up the pass.

Patsfans.com logic.

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Who said ANYTHING about "Give up the pass"????????

shmessy said:

As always, you confuse your opinion with fact.

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No, as usual, you look at facts and don't know what they mean.

Armchair Quarterback said:

You're right, it was far less effective. 10-27 Passing for 62 yards compared to 5 for 25 rushing with the 6th play a 20 yard run brought back by a penalty. Is this you staying ahead of the chains?

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I wish there were a stronger rating than "winner" for this.

patsderoer said:

4.5YPC 2nd half 27 yards.
Of those 27 yards
9 yards Vereen on 3 and 29 at the end of 3rd quarter
7 yards Bolden on 2nd and 16 after LaFAIL with a stupid penalty wiped out a 14yard pass to Amendola (Amendola was down at Dolphins 27 when the score was 20-23)
9 yards Verren in garbage time with 1:07 left in the game
Those are the FACTS. The run game sucked in the 2nd half. With no run game, the dolphins ganged up on Brady.

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There was no run game in the 2nd half. McDaniels abandoned it.

patsderoer said:

4.5YPC 2nd half 27 yards.
Of those 27 yards
9 yards Vereen on 3 and 29 at the end of 3rd quarter
7 yards Bolden on 2nd and 16 after LaFAIL with a stupid penalty wiped out a 14yard pass to Amendola (Amendola was down at Dolphins 27 when the score was 20-23)
9 yards Verren in garbage time with 1:07 left in the game
Those are the FACTS. The run game sucked in the 2nd half. With no run game, the dolphins ganged up on Brady.

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10 for 27 for 62 yards (a 2.3 ypa) is better?

Not to mention BOTH NE turnovers were fumbles on sacks (not runs).

Brady was sacked 4 times.


Please tell me why you think the Patriots should then have gone 27/6 Pass/Run in the 2nd half because the 'run wasn't working as well".

JMC00 said:

No-one here was saying to give up the pass. The problem was McDaniels went too pass heavy.

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Except that wasn't the problem. Run/pass ratio is usually how you know the person claiming it doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, because they use it the way Shmessy has used it here, which is ignorant.

The long ball has never been a TFB strong point(except 2007). McD and Brady need to forget about the long bomb and use the nice short to intermediate passes. The O-Line was horrendous and needs to be addressed ASAP. We all say TFB is the GOAT but in reality until he gets a 4th ring he's not. WE didn't win our SB's with the long bomb. McD cost us SB42 and I still believe that we will not win another SB with him as OC. So far I am right.

JMC00 said:

There was no run game in the 2nd half. McDaniels abandoned it.

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That gif fits you perfectly.
You got it the other way around.
Mc Daniels abandoned the run because it wasn't working, and put the ball in his HOF QB's hands.
In the 3rd quarter, they had runs of 2,-2, one which had a holding placing the team in a bad spot, and 9yards from Vereen on 3rd and 29. Yeah, the running game sucked in the second half.

Deus Irae said:

Except that wasn't the problem. Run/pass ratio is usually how you know the person claiming it doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, because they use it the way Shmessy has used it here, which is ignorant.

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You are now simply babbling. Keep repeating "Stay ahead of the chains". That's far better football analysis than looking at Time of Possession on an 89 degree 61% humidity day.

patsderoer said:

That gif fits you perfectly.
You got it the other way around.
Mc Daniels abandoned the run because it wasn't working, and put the ball in his HOF QB's hands.

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Evidently, you and Deus feel that 10/27 for 62 yds, 4 sacks and two turnover fumbles is "working".

The rest of us call that a disaster.

'Other than THAT Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?'

JMC00 said:

BTW went back and looked before this drive Ridley carried 9 times for 25 yards a 2.7 ypc. On this drive alone he was 10 for 46 for 4.6.

Feed it to Ridley and yes there will be some 3 or less yard gains. But feed it to him consistently and the chains will move.

Brady up until this drive was struggling for the day

21 of 40 for 210 yards 1 TD 1 INT sacked 4 times.

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Brady didn't throw an INT

moejr said:

Brady didn't throw an INT

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You are correct.

He had two fumbles lost to the Dolphins on passing plays in the 2nd half.

BTW, the Patriots had no fumbles on Sunday in the running game.

shmessy said:

Evidently, you and Deus feel that 10/27 for 62 yds, 4 sacks and two turnover fumbles is "working".

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No, that is your ... assumption. The run game was crap, and so was the passing game. With a HOF QB, to me it is no wonder McDaniels put the ball in his hands.

shmessy said:

The rest of us call that a disaster.

'Other than THAT Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?'

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But runs of 2,-2 and -10 are not a disaster. LMAO

moejr said:

Brady didn't throw an INT

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I was talking about the game in Miami in 2012 when Brady struggled all game and McDaniels very unlike McDaniels decided to (or many Belichick did) run it down Miami's throat.

patsderoer said:

But runs of 2,-2 and -10 are not a disaster. LMAO

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Where was the run of -10?

You mean the one where Ridley broke it outside and went 20 yards and it was called back because Gronk hooked a defender (which iirc the defender flopped a little) that probably wasn't going to make the tackle?

If that is going to be argued as to why it was a good decision to abandon the run and go pass heavy then Hoohwhogivesacrap turnstile imitation that opened the door for Miami to tie it up and turn the game should be a reason WHY they should have went more to the run game rotating Ridley, Vereen, and Bolden. Keeping them fresh, allowing the OL to do the attacking, trying to put that DL back on their heels, trying to hit that second level where Miami had LBs that were on the bubble a week before, getting those Safeties to start playing up.

But yea letting Brady huck it up 27 times when that DL was just pinning their ears back and teeing off, allowing the LBs to just sit in the middle and the Safeties to stay back and cover because they knew the Pats weren't running worked out so well in the long run.

JMC00 said:

Where was the run of -10?

You mean the one where Ridley broke it outside and went 20 yards and it was called back because Gronk hooked a defender that probably wasn't going to make the tackle?

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It went for -10 yards. That was the end result. -10 yards. FACT.

patsderoer said:

No, that is your ... assumption. The run game was crap, and so was the passing game. With a HOF QB, to me it is no wonder McDaniels put the ball in his hands.



But runs of 2,-2 and -10 are not a disaster. LMAO

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If you'd like to pick out 3 negative (or almost negative) running plays, let's look at those 2 sack/fumbles to the Dolphins and the 2 other sacks for losses on the passing plays.

Tell me again how there should be a 4.5-1 ratio based on the passing game 'working better' in that 2nd half?

patsderoer said:

It went for -10 yards. That was the end result. -10 yards. FACT.

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2 turnovers to the other team is worse. THAT is a fact.

How about the OPI on the passing play?

Look, you and Deus are arguing a very weak hand. There's no ammo in it. The facts are the facts.

You can cherry pick one or two plays as much as you wish, but no negative play is as bad as a turnover.

shmessy said:

If you'd like to pick out 3 negative (or almost negative) running plays, let's look at those 2 sack/fumbles to the Dolphins and the 2 other sacks for loses on the passing plays.

Tell me how there should be a 4.5-1 ratio based on the passing game working better in that 2nd half?

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It's easy for you to say now in hindsight, but at the beginning of 4quarter, with both running and passing sucking, to me it is no wonder they went pass heavy, they have a HOF QB after all. And a lot of those passes were in garbage time.

I fault McDaniels, big time, because he abandoned the reverses which worked very well in first half. 1-2 succesful reverses in the 3rd quarter would had forced Miami DL to stretch out, to defend them, thus making it easier to create running lanes. And with a running game, it would have been easier for the passing game.