Typical Josh McDaniels

JMC00 · Sep 9, 2014

5 series in the 2nd half where it was either the Pats were up, tie game, or the Dolphins up by one score and there were 3 rush attempts and 3 screen attempts.

Can you at least try to establish that you have two good RBs. One that if you feed him the ball 20 times a game instead of the 8, is gonna give you some solid 1st down runs.

Guy was treating the game like the backup Miami LBs were the 2000 Ravens or something.

Just very typical of him when it's a close game to be calling plays like the Pats are down 20 points.

shmessy · Sep 9, 2014

JMC00 said:
5 series in the 2nd half where it was either the Pats were up, tie game, or the Dolphins up by one score and there were 3 rush attempts and 3 screen attempts.

Can you at least try to establish that you have two good RBs. One that if you feed him the ball 20 times a game instead of the 8, is gonna give you some solid 1st down runs.

Guy was treating the game like the backup Miami LBs were the 2000 Ravens or something.

Just very typical of him when it's a close game to be calling plays like the Pats are down 20 points.

Did you see the game in Miami last year (the one that cost the Pats HFA)?

Same damn thing (and then we had Blount Force Trauma).

2014 was 56-20 Pass to run ratio. Rushing YPA: 4.45

2013 was 55-22 Pass to run ratio. Rushing YPA: 4.36

Both games, the Pats had a halftime lead.

The definition of insanity is repeatedly making the same bad decision.

Ring 6 · Sep 9, 2014

JMC00 said:
5 series in the 2nd half where it was either the Pats were up, tie game, or the Dolphins up by one score and there were 3 rush attempts and 3 screen attempts.

Can you at least try to establish that you have two good RBs. One that if you feed him the ball 20 times a game instead of the 8, is gonna give you some solid 1st down runs.

Guy was treating the game like the backup Miami LBs were the 2000 Ravens or something.

Just very typical of him when it's a close game to be calling plays like the Pats are down 20 points.

If the OL held up those drives would have produced first downs and more runs.
Playing calling tries to exploit the weaknesses and matchup advantages they perceive they have. Nothing I saw tells me we had a good chance to run well.

varjao · Sep 9, 2014

Would not work anyway, Ridley is not effective when he takes care of the ball. Forget that Ridley from 2 seasons ago, it was a reckless Ridley and with less bulk. He put up too much muscle last off season.

Also with that line, there would be loss of yards every rush.

PatsFan2 · Sep 9, 2014

I am quite perplexed that Hooman was active...why was he a gameday active??? Hooman does nothing well!

PatsFan2 · Sep 9, 2014

Typical McDaniels when he's overmatched calling play action and long developing passing plays behind a overmatched O-Line. I would like to see Bryan Stork at Center and Cameron Fleming at Right Tackle this Sunday...that would make our recent Draft a success.

shmessy · Sep 9, 2014

varjao said:
Would not work anyway, Ridley is not effective when he takes care of the ball. Forget that Ridley from 2 seasons ago, it was a reckless Ridley and with less bulk. He put up too much muscle last off season.

Also with that line, there would be loss of yards every rush.

"Also with that line, there would be loss of yards every rush."

Wow. Catchy line.

Don't let the facts of the 4.45 Rushing YPA get in the way of your post.

Could they run it down Miami's throats? No. It was working well occasionally as a change up and the Pats could have done more to not allow Miami to tee it up on every snap. The Pats played their cards to openly in that 2nd half.

chasa · Sep 9, 2014

we dont have an up the middle runningback, all we have is riddely that can run off the sides.

we need a blount type back that can smash it.

JMC00 · Sep 9, 2014

varjao said:
Also with that line, there would be loss of yards every rush.

Vereen averaged 5.1 YPC. McDaniels even ran him on a give up 3rd and 10 run from the NE 6 and he picked up the 1st down.

Here is a head exploding stat, when the game was Pats up by 7, tie game, Dolphins up by 3, Vereen was targeted 3 times.

A 12 yard screen pass. Two plays before Brady got sacked and fumbled when Hoohgivesacrap completely whiffed
A 9 yard run. On 3rd and 29.
A deep pass that was incomplete.

Any OC worth a crap would try to get the ball to one of his better playmakers more than 2 times in a close game.

JMC00 · Sep 9, 2014

chasa said:
we dont have an up the middle runningback, all we have is riddely that can run off the sides.

we need a blount type back that can smash it.

Ridley's best run of the day iirc was up the middle.

shmessy · Sep 9, 2014

1st Half: Rushing 14/61, 4.4 avg. 2.07 Pass-to-Run ratio. Result? Patriots 20-10.

2nd half: Rushing 6/28 4.67 avg. 4.50 Pass-to-Run ration. result? Dolphins 23-0

The posters claiming "we couldn't run it" need to give some evidence, because reality is pointing to that being BS.

Why ditch it?????? The Pats owned the T.o.P. advantage in the 1st half 17:54-12:02. It worked and rested our D. 2nd half? Miami won ToP 18:25-11:39.

How much more obvious does it have to get for the folks who do not want to blame McDaniels/Brady's play calling here?

The very same damn thing happened last year in Miami and that cost them HFA.

PatsFan2 · Sep 9, 2014

Good points JMC00 I too was wondering about the under used Shane Vereen. Vereen should be used like Cincinnatti RB Giovani Bernard who puts alot of pressure on the Defense with his running and Lethal catching skills. I think Vereen is a similar player when healthy but the Patriots Coaching staff like to second guess themselves.

zydecochris · Sep 9, 2014

shmessy said:
Did you see the game in Miami last year (the one that cost the Pats HFA)?

Same damn thing (and then we had Blount Force Trauma).

2014 was 56-20 Pass to run ratio. Rushing YPA: 4.45

2013 was 55-22 Pass to run ratio. Rushing YPA: 4.36

Both games, the Pats had a halftime lead.

The definition of insanity is repeatedly making the same bad decision.

I would respectfully argue that repeatedly making the same bad decisions can be described more as stubbornness.

Einstein's definition of insanity was: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

I personally don't think that Josh McD is actually insane.

However, when it comes to being stubborn, that may be a more arguable point.

shmessy · Sep 9, 2014

zydecochris said:
I would respectfully argue that repeatedly making the same bad decisions can be described more as stubbornness.

Einstein's definition of insanity was: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".

I personally don't think that Josh McD is actually insane.

However, when it comes to being stubborn, that may be a more arguable point.

Good point!

Bombdog · Sep 9, 2014

Josh McDaniels is very predictable. Once the Pats fell behind he gives up on the run and its bombs away. You have a Oline that is doing its best impersonation of Swiss Cheese. TFB was getting hit every time he dropped back. The most troubling fact was TFB was so inaccurate. If he wasn't throwing it into the ground he was overthrowing the receiver. They must make changes in the line and go to the intermediate passing game. If not TFB will be on the DL by week 3

Ring 6 · Sep 9, 2014

shmessy said:
1st Half: Rushing 14/61, 4.4 avg. 2.07 Pass-to-Run ratio. Result? Patriots 20-10.

2nd half: Rushing 6/28 4.67 avg. 4.50 Pass-to-Run ration. result? Dolphins 23-0

The posters claiming "we couldn't run it" need to give some evidence, because reality is pointing to that being BS.

Why ditch it?????? The Pats owned the T.o.P. advantage in the 1st half 17:54-12:02. It worked and rested our D. 2nd half? Miami won ToP 18:25-11:39.

How much more obvious does it have to get for the folks who do not want to blame McDaniels/Brady's play calling here?

The very same damn thing happened last year in Miami and that cost them HFA.

If you are calling for lining up and running the ball on first down, which I think you are, using stats that are skewed by 'gimmick' runs doesn't make a great argument. The 20-89 rushing sounds good, except with you consider 4 of them (20% of the runs) were reverses to Edelman or 3 and long runs (Vereen and Bolden) that amount to 40 of the 89 yards.
If we are saying they should have tried to run the ball right at them the other 20 carries for 49 yards is more pertinent.

Ring 6 · Sep 9, 2014

Bombdog said:
Josh McDaniels is very predictable. Once the Pats fell behind he gives up on the run and its bombs away. You have a Oline that is doing its best impersonation of Swiss Cheese. TFB was getting hit every time he dropped back. The most troubling fact was TFB was so inaccurate. If he wasn't throwing it into the ground he was overthrowing the receiver. They must make changes in the line and go to the intermediate passing game. If not TFB will be on the DL by week 3

If you are saying he is predicatable because he puts the ball in the hands of the GOAT QB, especially when the game is on the line, then I am glad he is predictable.

JMC00 · Sep 9, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
If you are saying he is predicatable because he puts the ball in the hands of the GOAT QB, especially when the game is on the line, then I am glad he is predictable.

The guy was calling **** plays that took time to develop when Brady had no time. How about calling some short passes to your playmaking pass catching RB and let him make some plays against backup LBs.

Ring 6 · Sep 9, 2014

JMC00 said:
The guy was calling **** plays that took time to develop when Brady had no time. How about calling some short passes to your playmaking pass catching RB and let him make some plays against backup LBs.

OK

Bombdog · Sep 9, 2014

Im saying he is predictable because Brady is getting pounded and he is calling for long developing plays down field. TFB is not a great at throwing the deep ball. He is best at the short to intermediate pass game. If keeps making Brady go back and try to throw the deep ball with this line he will not make it through the season. Tom is the GOAT no doubt, but he needs help from the line and the receivers.

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