Ray Rice---The Whole Video [Update: Ravens release Rice]

Sicilian · Sep 9, 2014

AzorianPats said:
Im not surprised by this. ... not at all.

It's pretty common among abused women. She has probably convinced herself that she is to blame for "pushing his buttons" or some other such rationalization. Guilt is a really hard thing to get rid of, especially when you've been conditioned by your abuser to believe it could have all been avoided if you'd just behaved.

Ivan · Sep 9, 2014

goheels22002 said:
Probably not any backlash. It was probably that he lied about the incident to Harbaugh and Newsome.

Actually the reports from the Ravens have been that he told them exactly what happened in the elevator, but I missed the Harbough press conference last night and they could well be c changing their story. Might as well, everyone else is.

sb1 · Sep 9, 2014

LOL @ the Pats hater clowns in the PFT comments and elsewhere still whining about a spygate coverup.

Because this video seemed to be covered up by the league, logically that must mean the commish had something to hide with Matt Walsh's tapes. Makes sense right?

I can't wait till BB writes his book after he retires and slams the door shut on these dopes. Right on their fingers would be nice.

FirstAndGoal · Sep 9, 2014

I've got to say, I really don't like Kraft coming out and defending Goodell without all of the facts. This thing has yet to be fully played out. I do wonder what other people have been saying where the NFL seems to have just not looked too hard for the tape. Sounds like they just asked the prosecutor and not not the Casino. Also, they could have asked Rice's lawyer for the tape as part of the condition of his return... just seems like a really poor job by the NFL and since Goodell is the one taking the responsibility for dealing with issues like this, he needs to take the heat. I don't like Kraft letting Goodell of the hook. I would have rather he said "we're looking into things but at the moment, we don't have all the facts". He's doing exactly what the NFL has been doing up to this point...trying to do damage control without everything on the table. Where's Goodell's press conference????

Sicilian · Sep 9, 2014

FirstAndGoal said:
I've got to say, I really don't like Kraft coming out and defending Goodell without all of the facts. This thing has yet to be fully played out. I do wonder what other people have been saying where the NFL seems to have just not looked too hard for the tape. Sounds like they just asked the prosecutor and not not the Casino. Also, they could have asked Rice's lawyer for the tape as part of the condition of his return... just seems like a really poor job by the NFL and since Goodell is the one taking the responsibility for dealing with issues like this, he needs to take the heat. I don't like Kraft letting Goodell of the hook. I would have rather he said "we're looking into things but at the moment, we don't have all the facts". He's doing exactly what the NFL has been doing up to this point...trying to do damage control without everything on the table. Where's Goodell's press conference????

I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories or the like, but if there is any dirt on the owners that could potentially damn them, Goodell probably has it. I highly doubt they want to throw him under the bus. If public perception forces him to resign that's one thing, but if they kick him on his way out the door it may come back to bite them. Not saying Kraft specifically has anything to worry about, just that fraternity of team owners as a group.

FirstAndGoal · Sep 9, 2014

Sicilian said:
I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories or the like, but if there is any dirt on the owners that could potentially damn them, Goodell probably has it. I highly doubt they want to throw him under the bus. If public perception forces him to resign that's one thing, but if they kick him on his way out the door it may come back to bite them. Not saying Kraft specifically has anything to worry about, just that fraternity of team owners as a group.

yeah, but if something tangible does come out that implicates Goodell even if only in the public eye, Kraft is going to look foolish. I understand Kraft might just trying to be a "stand up guy" but it's too early and I really think Goodell has to make a public appearance. If he doesn't, there will be questions about what he has to hide and then the real digging will begin

mayoclinic · Sep 9, 2014

FirstAndGoal said:
yeah, but if something tangible does come out that implicates Goodell even if only in the public eye, Kraft is going to look foolish. I understand Kraft might just trying to be a "stand up guy" but it's too early and I really think Goodell has to make a public appearance. If he doesn't, there will be questions about what he has to hide and then the real digging will begin

Goodell is the owner's man. They hired him, he works for them. He makes $44M because he makes them a ton of money. He's the guy who does their clean up work so that they can be above it all. They will be behind him 100% right up to the point where he becomes a liability (in terms of either money or public image, which is essentially the same thing), at which point they would jettison him like a hot potato.

TonyTucker · Sep 9, 2014

Agreed, Goodell is a moron, but he's also just the owner's puppet.

resdubwhite · Sep 9, 2014

Joker said:
So Sally Jenkins, a well known and respected sports journalist possesses "no logic" and therefore YOUR precious Goody and the NFL are completely innocent of everything?

There's a woman with skeletons in her own closet. She should be reminded of the part she played in an horrendous lie.
Her pointing fingers at anyone else is hypocritical at best.

All that being said. Off with Goodells head.

Tunescribe · Sep 9, 2014

TonyTucker said:
Agreed, Goodell is a moron, but he's also just the owner's puppet.

This is a popular misconception. Goodell has ample authority and autonomy to act in many ways without direct owners consent. They don't micromanage him.

FirstAndGoal said:
yeah, but if something tangible does come out that implicates Goodell even if only in the public eye, Kraft is going to look foolish. I understand Kraft might just trying to be a "stand up guy" but it's too early and I really think Goodell has to make a public appearance. If he doesn't, there will be questions about what he has to hide and then the real digging will begin

I love Bob Kraft but I really wish he'd just shut up and make Jonathan official spokesman for the franchise.

SB39 · Sep 9, 2014

Uncle Rico said:
Janay Rice breaks her silence, describes situation as 'horrible nightmare' - baltimoresun.com

Janay is upset at .. the media and the public:

I don't blame her. She's been victimized once again through their orgy of self righteous outrage and incessant showing of the assault, not to mention how it affects her family finances.

FirstAndGoal · Sep 9, 2014

SB39 said:
I don't blame her. She's been victimized once again through their orgy of self righteous outrage and incessant showing of the assault, not to mention how it affects her family finances.

You're wrong and so is she. It's not the outrage of the incident (that speaks for itself). It's the NFL's handling of it that's fueling outrage. There's nothing self-righteous about that. It's not about the crime as much as it is about the NFL and how they seemed to have viewed it. It's about the NFL not getting to the bottom of this and the treating it with such little seriousness.

mayoclinic · Sep 9, 2014

FirstAndGoal said:
You're wrong and so is she. It's not the outrage of the incident (that speaks for itself). It's the NFL's handling of it that's fueling outrage. There's nothing self-righteous about that. It's not about the crime as much as it is about the NFL and how they seemed to have viewed it. It's about the NFL not getting to the bottom of this and the treating it with such little seriousness.

If the video had been aired at the time of the incident, if the New Jersey prosecutor had not accepted a token plea bargain when there was clear video evidence of assault, if the league had given Ray Rice an appropriate punishment (something like a 1 year suspension for conduct detrimental to the game), and most importantly if Rice had owned up to his behavior and simply claimed that he was drunk and lost control in an unacceptable fashion, then this would all most likely have eventually gone away. Rice would have been a pariah for a while, but given his lack of prior history he would have been able to work to paint this as a one time screw up and rehabilitate his image. But instead, everyone involved tried to sweep the whole thing under the rug, when there was a clear smoking gun in terms of video evidence.

Watergate wasn't about the bugging. It was about the coverup.

Haley · Sep 9, 2014

One thing is new for me, I have a new found respect for Adam Schefter. It can't be easy to stand up to the NFL as a sports reporter. I see a lot of other big names sitting this one out.

FirstAndGoal · Sep 9, 2014

mayoclinic said:
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Watergate wasn't about the bugging. It was about the coverup.

I agree. That was the thing that fuels the "Spygate" nonsense. The fact that the videos are not available has fueled the notion that the NFL was protecting some massive cover up. You can't get away from it because the end of the argument always is "if it wasn't so bad, why did they destroy the tapes". If the tapes were around and the experts looked at them and honestly evaluated them, I think that "Spygate" would have been a non-issue. Now it's some mythical monster and mass conspiracy.

I'm surprised that the NFL has learned nothing and continues to make these dumb mistakes.

SB39 · Sep 9, 2014

FirstAndGoal said:
You're wrong and so is she. It's not the outrage of the incident (that speaks for itself). It's the NFL's handling of it that's fueling outrage. There's nothing self-righteous about that. It's not about the crime as much as it is about the NFL and how they seemed to have viewed it. It's about the NFL not getting to the bottom of this and the treating it with such little seriousness.

They actually treated it very much in line with other similar situations. What they underestimated was the public's ridiculously inconsistent reaction to these types of things when there is no video available compared to when there is.

Make no mistake: if there's no video of this, there's no outrage. Even if someone wrote up an accurate detailed summary of what happened, people just don't care anywhere near as much as when they can actually see it.

Haley · Sep 9, 2014

SB39 said:
They actually treated it very much in line with other similar situations. What they underestimated was the public's ridiculously inconsistent reaction to these types of things when there is no video available compared to when there is.

Make no mistake: if there's no video of this, there's no outrage. Even if someone wrote up an accurate detailed summary of what happened, people just don't care anywhere near as much as when they can actually see it.

I really don't think it is this simple. People foolishly trusted the word of the NFL. The NFL told the public they had seen more evidence than the public was privy to. They said it was in part Janal's fault. So did Janal. The public took this at face value until presented with clear evidence to the contrary.

FirstAndGoal · Sep 9, 2014

SB39 said:
They actually treated it very much in line with other similar situations. What they underestimated was the public's ridiculously inconsistent reaction to these types of things when there is no video available compared to when there is.

Make no mistake: if there's no video of this, there's no outrage. Even if someone wrote up an accurate detailed summary of what happened, people just don't care anywhere near as much as when they can actually see it.

I agree with you to some point but you lose me with the "ridiculously" part. Why is it ridiculous to react more strongly to concrete evidence than it is when the victim and perpetrator are telling a different story? The fact that they introduced doubt softens the outrage and in the absence of evidence, you have to consider their story. It's no different than anything in life. The tangible evidence contradicts her and his statements and that fuels the reaction. I'm just curious about why you think that's something that seems illogical to you? Most people take domestic violence very seriously and in the fact of concrete evidence, will react with fervor when someone tries to hide it.

rochrist · Sep 9, 2014

Haley said:
I really don't think it is this simple. People foolishly trusted the word of the NFL. The NFL told the public they had seen more evidence than the public was privy to. They said it was in part Janal's fault. So did Janal. The public took this at face value until presented with clear evidence to the contrary.

And even at that, there was still an enormous outcry at the ludicrous 2 game suspension, enough to force the league to announce a new policy. This makes it a thousand times worse.

Zeus · Sep 9, 2014

Goodell and the owners do not get to decide whether the public's reaction is ridiculous or not. In this instance, the owners' opinion does not matter at all.

Fans are under no obligation to be fair or rational. They have complete, unquestioned freedom to turn off their TVs or stop buying tickets for any reason at any time.

The owners do have to respond to the reality of the public's reaction, whatever that may be. That's life in a high profile and highly visible business.

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