A closer look at Tom Brady’s game on Sunday

BelichickFan said:

OL was obviously a huge issue that wasn't Brady's fault. But completion% doesn't take into account the whole situation and a good NFL QB makes that downfield throw to Edelman. If he's still playing at a HOF level he needs to make that throw just like the one in the AFCCG last year. If you just want to convince us he's still good then, sure, throw those numbers at us as proof.

I'm not convinced that he isn't ready to play elsewhere to be honest. He seems unhappy with BB's moves and has to know his contact isn't getting redone here. Not saying he's tanking, not at all, but I think he may be mentally worn out here. I understand moving him isn't feasible due to the csp. I'm not advocating it, just saying I this is a bad mental place for him right now.

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iapatsfan said:

It is a joke to compare the abilities of Manning and Brady at this point.

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Snake Eyes said:

You're right, Manning has stud receivers and a great O-line.

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iapatsfan said:

Yeah, that's all it is.

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Snake Eyes said:

How did Manning look during the SB when his O-line didn't protect him and when his receivers faced an elite secondary?

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iapatsfan said:

Are you saying Brady faced the Seahawks defense on Sunday? Please.

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Brady6 said:

I have seen several posts since yesterday taking not of Brady setting some type of record for most incompletions 15+ yards down the field. This is incorrect, Brady did not set any record he had the most incompletions on those passes since the tracking began in 2006, which is 7-8 years in a league that has been in existence for nearly 100 years.

This of course led to the Brady is not what he used to be talk. Well before we conclude that lets take a closer look at Brady yesterday:

- Q1 – 10/13 76.9%, 69 yards, 0 sacks, 88.3 QB rating.
- Q2 – 9/16 56.3%, 118 yards, 1 touchdown, 0 sacks, 100.5 QB rating. Notes: Of Brady’s 7 incompletions in this quarter 2 of them were shots at the end zone first with 19 seconds remaining to LaFell, and then with 15 seconds left to Thompkins. These 2 were 15+ yards down field.
- Q3 – 4/7 57.1%, 31 yards, 2 sacks, 68.2 QB rating.
- Q4 – 6/20 30%, 31 yards, 2 sacks, 39.6 QB rating. Notes: Of Brady’s 14 incompletions, 12 of them occurred with 3:29 or less remaining in the fourth quarter down by 10-13 points. Of those 12 incompletions 9 of them were 15+ yards downfield.

All totaled 11 of the “record” 16 deep passes that he missed on were either him throwing into the end zone at the end of the second half or him trying to bring a team back from down 2 scores with around 3 minutes remaining.

Brady is as sharp as ever when he has the opportunity to do his job. In my opinion Brady is every bit what he used to be unfortunately the players around him are not what they used to be.

- Gronkowski is not healthy and therefore he is not what he was before (hopefully that changes soon)
- Amendola is not Welker
- Thompkins/Dobson is not Moss
- LaFell is not Stallworth (I am not sure why they kept having him run deep routes as if he was)
- Hooman is not Hernandez
- Vereen- is not Faulk or Woodhead (not consistently anyway)
- Solder is not Light
- Vollmer is not Vollmer (this is not a typo)
- Cannon is not Mankins
- Wendell is not Koppen
- Devey is not Waters/Neal
- Ridley’s confidence in himself is 1% of what it used to be he is so afraid to fumble he can barely run anymore.

Since the end of 2012 Brady has basically lost his top weapons – Gronkowski, Welker, Hernandez, Woodhead, Branch all gone (Gronkowski injured). Since 2010, Brady has lost Mankins, Koppen, Light, and Waters on the OL. If you took the 2 Thomas’s, Sanders and Welker from Manning let me just say he would be doing ESPN interviews hammering the Elway, Fox and anyone else who is part of the Denver organization.

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Snake Eyes said:

Was Edelman supposed to stop and turn around or keep running and catch the ball in stride?

Also, when did that play happen, late in the game? After Brady had been beaten like a rented mule all day? Take the best free-throw shooter in the world and body slam him a bunch, and then see how well he shoots.

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iapatsfan said:

Yeah, that's all it is.

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Brady6 said:

We do not **** around on Patsfans.. .

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Snake Eyes said:

Was Edelman supposed to stop and turn around or keep running and catch the ball in stride?

Also, when did that play happen, late in the game? After Brady had been beaten like a rented mule all day? Take the best free-throw shooter in the world and body slam him a bunch, and then see how well he shoots.

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iapatsfan said:

Are you saying Brady faced the Seahawks defense on Sunday? Please.

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pencilneckgeek said:

Nonsense. That is the one thing we do better than anything else.

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KamikazeKnight said:

Are you even a pats fan or just a troll?

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mgteich said:

Per your stats

1) After Q1, Brady was at be sty a mediocre QB.

2) Brady was not able to complete passes downfield.

3) After what Brady did with last year's receivers, whining about the quality of the receivers seems especially lame.

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Brady6 said:

I cannot make you understand something, so if that is what you took from my OP so be it.

As far as weapons go on Sunday he was plus LaFell and an injured Gronkowski, and he was minus Dobson. So I don't see much of a difference between what he had last season and what he had on Sunday.

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Patriot Missile said:

I think his weapons are still pretty good. He's getting older and he is declining any way you spin it. However he is still a top 5 QB when he is protected. Clearly he wasn't protected and the results were a bad performance. But you can say that about any QB. Aaron Rodgers didn't look like the MVP last Thursday and he would of looked pretty bad behind this line on Sunday. Although he may have run a bit more.

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ctpatsfan1 said:

There in lies the crux of the situation......IMHO Brady is still a top 5 QB when he gets the protection......problem is he used to be a top 5 QB even when he didn't get the protection......

a lot of QB's can up their game at this level if they have all day to throw the ball.......look how many the Pats D has made look like super stars because there was no pressure on the QB....its how well a QB operates and performs when the pocket is collapsing and all hell is breaking loose that makes one a great QB. The last few years Brady hasn't had that ability the majority of the time, yes sometimes it shows up, but more often than not now he just doesn't have it.

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pencilneckgeek said:

Edelman stopped and turned around because the ball was behind and downfield of him. That was a miscommunication, as evidenced by Brady's response to Edelman, who kept breaking toward the sideline when Brady thought he turned it upfield. I think Edelman made the right read. Turning that upfield would have given the safety a chance to make a play on the ball. More importantly, Edelman was already open 25 yards downfield and breaking for the sideline. Why the Pats are messing with sight adjustments 25 yards downfield when a player is wide open is frankly mystifying to me. I would imagine that Brady was run over the coals by the coaches for a mental mistake on that one.




No, but Brady faced a DL that is just as good, and the OL didn't keep them off him. It only takes one thing to ruin a play, and when 15 of 32 second half pass plays break down due to offensive line failures, it's tough to sustain a drive and score points. It's even harder to make big plays in the passing game, when you have to get rid of the ball immediately upon taking the snap.

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